woof-CE needs you

[jlst]

Ok, I added the adrv for the second boot and the en_US locale was generated automatically (it's the slacko default locale).

It's because rc.sysinit always calls rc.country and rc.country decides what to do. It's working fine.

The first sign that something is wrong is the locale error when i open geany in the command line, and it's not happening after i loaded the adrv.

It's working fine, as usual.

[jlst]

jlst.

As you can see from the attached diff report, the only keyboard missing
from your new list is the qc keyboard, the one I use.

Do you have animosity against me? If not, who shall I give a mouthful to?

Perhaps I'm the only Puppyist using that keyboard, but one cannot forget
just like that the millions of French-Canadians who use that keyboard daily
on other OS's.

Respectfully.

I was not aware of that, i'll fix it. And please don't talk about animosity ... there's always animosity in the way you talk. You make fun of others, but it's an insult when they play your game.

[musher0]

jlst.

As you can see from the attached diff report, the only keyboard missing
from your new list is the qc keyboard, the one I use.

Do you have animosity against me? If not, who shall I give a mouthful to?

Perhaps I'm the only Puppyist using that keyboard, but one cannot forget
just like that the millions of French-Canadians who use that keyboard daily
on other OS's.

Respectfully.

I was not aware of that, i'll fix it. And please don't talk about animosity ... there's always animosity in the way you talk. You make fun of others, but it's an insult when they play your game.

Sorry about the tone.

I've edited my post above about the keyboards. Double-checking, I
realized the Macedonian and Serbian keyboards present in Slacko-6.0
were also missing in Slacko-694, in addition to the Quebec keyboard.

I took the liberty of also adding a corrected adrive.sfs (zipped) to that
message. You may want to make double-sure it's ok.

BFN.

[musher0]

Hello jlst and all.

Doing further research on the subject of keyboards, for ex. at
http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions ... le-options
I found that there are 458 keyboard layouts listed on pastebin.

I am not an X keyboard specialist, far from it, and my intention here is
not to rattle the cage or anything like that. But a question popped up in
my mind: is Puppy offering enough keyboards to be truly international?

I ask because on the face of it, slacko-694 alpha is offering only 116
keyboards in /etc/X11/xkb/symbols. 116/458 is roughly 25%.

Hoping to contribute something (or start a rational discussion) by bringing
this info to people's attention.

BFN.

[jlst]

I looked in ubuntu and slackware packages, the reason qc is not there is because that kb is long gone. Even precise (2011) doesn't have that kb.

http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/all/ ... a/filelist

The template uses what's available in the distro.

[musher0]

I looked in ubuntu and slackware packages, the reason qc is not there is because that kb is long gone. Even precise (2011) doesn't have that kb.

http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/all/ ... a/filelist

The template uses what's available in the distro.

Thanks for the reply, jlst.

Sorry for being so ignorant but I do not understand "kb is long gone."
What is "kb"? A utility?
Certainly the keyboard itself (as "kb" abrev.) is not gone.

I also understand how the woof-CE works. But would it be out of line to
supplement what appears to be missing from the source repos?

TIA.

[jlst]

I also understand how the woof-CE works. But would it be out of line to
supplement what appears to be missing from the source repos?

TIA.

No, you don't understand how it works. But i'll add it. It's obviously deprecated outside the puppy bubble created by the old and huge template.

[jlst]

Sorry for being so ignorant but I do not understand "kb is long gone."
What is "kb"? A utility?
Certainly the keyboard itself (as "kb" abrev.) is not gone.

I meant keymap, it's not anywhere in recent distros, not even in old distros

[musher0]

In any case, manjaro still lists it under fr-legacy or qc-latin1
url]https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?titl ... u.C3.A9bec[/url]
Retrieved today at 0 h 37.

[greengeek]

I'm quite surprised at this "reflex": were the authors of this edit brought up in an unilingual environment absolutely unaware that other languages were spoken in the world?

Sorry for being so frank, but that's what it looks like viewed from French-
Canada. This also means that members of minority cultures generally
(not just cf or qc) must continue to be vigilant against bulldozer languages
such as English, Russian and Mandarin.

Hi musher - I think it is unreasonable to consider people "bulldozers" just because they speak the languages spoken by the majority. It is a form of terrorism to try to enforce acceptance of the minority behaviour.

I believe it is important to include minorities wherever possible - but no-one should ram minority behaviours down the throat of the majority.

I think in Canada there has been too much pressure to force multilingualism. It is not compulsory. In the puppy world I think it is ok to develop in one's own mother tongue and hope for others to understand and translate where they can.

Just my 2cents.

(If I could speak french i would - but I don't want to be criticised because I am basically unilingual)

Je m'excuse!
Salut!
Ton ami - gg

[musher0]

Hi greengeek.

I meant the gov't policies of certain countries, or lack thereof, not the
language-speakers themselves.

When I say "bulldozer language", I don't mean forcing me to learn
Abenakis ou you to learn French. I mean the policies -- in Canada, for ex.
-- completely ignoring the Aboriginal languages in the school curriculum
of say, the Abenakis or Assiniboine children on their reservation.

I mean systemic ignorance of minority-culture languages by a country
not doing anything to facilitate the survival of such languages.

Gov't ignorance and non facilitation can be efficient bulldozers to bury
languages spoken by small groups, even if the "genius" of these
languages represents a world-view more ancient than our French or
English languages.

I meant it from the point of view of anthropology and linguistics (the
science of languages).

IHTH

~~~~~~~~~
PS This search may give more context:
http://www.ask.com/web?q=languages+dyin ... archTopBox

[musher0]

@all

In the slacko-694_alpha by Sailor Enciladus, if you type

Code: Select all

rox -r rightpanel

does a ROX panel appear on the right side of the screen?

I'm trying to determine if there's something wrong with the rox.
When I type the command above no panel is displayed.

TIA

[Sailor Enceladus]

Hi musher0. Typing rox -r rightpanel worked for me. rox -right also worked. I'm just using it's default theme on a 1280x800 screen. The right panel had two folders Home and Apps, and right-clicking on the panel gave me the option to remove it after.

[musher0]

Hi musher0. Typing rox -r rightpanel worked for me. rox -right also worked. I'm just using it's default theme on a 1280x800 screen. The right panel had two folders Home and Apps, and right-clicking on the panel gave me the option to remove it after.

Thanks, Sailor.

Yeah that's what that command is supposed to do. Very, very strange.
Maybe I'm being "gaslighted".

Bye for now.

[Sailor Enceladus]

Oh... what about if you run rox -left, then right-click on the left panel and go to Panel Options and try selecting right, top, bottom? Maybe there is somewhere that still thinks you have a 3200x1080 screen and hasn't refreshed properly (xrandr?) so it's actually drawing it past the right 1920 edge in the air beside your monitor at location 3148? *wild guess*

[musher0]

Oh... what about if you run rox -left, then right-click on the left panel and go to Panel Options and try selecting right, top, bottom? Maybe there is somewhere that still thinks you have a 3200x1080 screen and hasn't refreshed properly (xrandr?) so it's actually drawing it past the right 1920 edge in the air beside your monitor at location 3148? *wild guess*

Quite clever! I'll try that.

[Sailor Enceladus]

dead link

[anikin]

I feel the need to share my recent discovery with all of you folks:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/packag ... arch-1.txz
This is a collection of all the scripts that come with FatDog and it was posted on Barry's blog here:
http://barryk.org/news/?viewDetailed=00501
They (almost all of them) are begging to be included in Puppy and/or Woof-CE and many other Live distros like Toni's (saintless) DebianDog. Here are the most valuable (and probably hardest to implement) ones: /bin <fatdog-mount-wrapper.sh>, /usr/sbin <fatdog-drive-mounter.sh>, /usr/sbin <filemnt> because

...Most of the familiar gtkdialog GUIs and wizards were replaced with gtk-server variants...

http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/web/history.html
Another item of interest is /root/Choices/ROX-Filer <readme>:

Fatdog64-600 Compatibility Notes.
================================

ROX Filer settings have been moved to its new location in $HOME/.config/rox.sourceforge.net/

Shared configuration (MIME-types, URI) now lives in /etc/xdg/rox.sourceforge.net.

This folder, especially the PuppyPin symlink, exist only for compatibility reasons and for
Puppy script which has not been updated to work with the new location.

Also have a look at /etc/xdg/rox.sourceforge.net/SendTo. Our community will greatly benefit from this collection, because, in my simple-minded view, any work directed at improving Puppy or any other Live distro, should start from carefully examining these sophisticated scripts. A tremendous amount of work - thank you, jamesbond for sharing it with others!

[Sailor Enceladus]

I updated those previous iso links to latest commit today and moved Firefox 45.7esr to adrv. Test them again if you want to.

[Billtoo]

I updated those previous iso links to latest commit today and moved Firefox 45.7esr to adrv. Test them again if you want to.

Did a manual frugal install to the hard drive.

System: Host: puppypc7545 Kernel: 3.14.55 i686 (32 bit) Desktop: JWM 2.3.2 Distro: Slacko Puppy 6.3.2
Machine: Device: desktop System: Compaq Presario 061 product: DQ182A-ABA S6700NX NA410 v: 0nB1411RE101COBRA10 serial: MXM41001K5
Mobo: ASUSTeK model: Cobra v: 1.xx serial: X312345678
BIOS: American Megatrends v: 3.28 date: 08/27/2004
CPU: Single core Intel Pentium 4 (-HT-) speed: 2800 MHz (max)
Graphics: Card: AMD/ATI [Advanced Micro Devices ] RV530 [Radeon X1600 PRO]
Display Server: X.org 1.14.3 drivers: ati,radeon (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
tty size: 167x48 Advanced Data: N/A for root
Network: Card: Realtek RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ driver: 8139too
Drives: HDD Total Size: 448.1GB (1.3% used)
Weather: Conditions: 30 F (-1 C) - light snow Time: February 5, 10:07 AM EST
Info: Processes: 118 Uptime: 53 min Memory: 202.5/1511.7MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.8

VIDEO REPORT: Slacko Puppy, version 6.3.2

Chip description:
VGA compatible controller: AMD/ATI [Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.] RV530 [Radeon X1600 PRO] Display controller: AMD/ATI [Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.] RV530 [Radeon X1600] (Secondary)

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
Modules requested to be loaded: dbe

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
Driver loaded (and currently in use): ati
Loaded modules: dbe dri2 exa fb fbdevhw glx kbd mouse radeon ramdac

Actual rendering on monitor:
Resolution: 3840x1080 pixels (1013x285 millimeters)
Depth: 24 planes

It's working fine here,
Thanks