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Posted: Sat 13 Jul 2013, 10:29
by BarryK
simargl wrote:Puppy never used alpha, beta and release candidate release scheme in the past,
but now everything has alpha suffix. I just asked: "Why?"
Your posts are off-topic. Please go to a more appropriate Forum thread.
Your comments are also b*t.
I have noticed from other posts of yours, you have a chip on the shoulder.
Enough said, I don't want to (again) get drawn into further responses.
I have made mental note to ignore future posts from you.
Posted: Sat 13 Jul 2013, 11:05
by simargl
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Posted: Sat 13 Jul 2013, 11:28
by ggg
@ simargl,
Some have ignored everything you have written to date and that may be (and in my case is) the height of politeness.
@ Flash,
Surely the time for drastic action is fast approaching.
Posted: Sat 13 Jul 2013, 12:52
by CatDude
Hi
simargl wrote:Puppy never used alpha, beta and release candidate release scheme in the past,
but now everything has alpha suffix. I just asked: "Why?"
Really, so what were these few examples
8Mar05
Puppy multi-session live-CD version 1.0.0-alpha released. The file is puppy-firefox-1.0.0alpha-multisession.iso, size 52.5M. This is an experimental release. The final v1.0.0 release is expected to be concurrent with release of the v1.0.0 "normal" Puppy.
9May05
Puppy version 1.0.2RC has been uploaded. The "RC" means Release Candidate, and the official release will follow shortly. Version 1.0.2RC is for the Puppy-enthusiasts to test and report any problems.
Dec 24, 2005 Puppy 1.0.7beta test iso available
Oct 15, 2008 Icepup 301 alpha
CatDude
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Posted: Sat 13 Jul 2013, 13:13
by 01micko
wrong thread
Precise 5.6.4 alpha
Posted: Sat 13 Jul 2013, 16:14
by Billtoo
I realize that 5.6.4 is targeted at older computers but this computer felt
left out so I had to give it a try on here
Manual frugal install to a SDHC card.
Computer
Processor 4x AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 810 Processor
Memory 3374MB (219MB used)
Machine Type Physical machine
Operating System Precise Puppy - 5.6.4
User Name root (root)
Date/Time Sat 13 Jul 2013 11:59:52 AM EDT
Display
Resolution 1920x1080 pixels
OpenGL Renderer ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics
X11 Vendor The X.Org Foundation
Audio Devices
Audio Adapter HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB
Audio Adapter HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI
Input Devices
CHICONY HP USB Multimedia Keyboard
CHICONY HP USB Multimedia Keyboard
Logitech USB Receiver
Logitech USB Receiver
Power Button
Power Button
HDA Digital PCBeep
HDA ATI SB Headphone
PC Speaker
OpenGL
Vendor Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
Renderer ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics
Version 3.3.11672 Compatibility Profile Context
Direct Rendering Yes
# glxgears
19510 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3901.834 FPS
19565 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3912.890 FPS
19568 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3913.436 FPS
#
The amd-driver-installer-catalyst-13.1-legacy-linux-x86.x86_64.run
compiled no problem.
I installed Seamonkey 2.17.1 in ppm.
I added xbmc-12.2_frodo_sfs4.sfs because xbmc-11.0 in ppm tends to
crash often, and openboxp-1.0.1.pet.
Precise 5.6.4 alpha is working great so far.
Posted: Sat 13 Jul 2013, 16:30
by anikin
Hi Barry et al,
A quick test run on Intel atom n270/945GSE eeepc.
Boots cleanly, runs smoothly and fast. No boot errors in logs, except these two insignificant warnings, in case they are of any interest to you:
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/usr/sbin/quicksetup: line 899: 12001 Terminated yaf-splash -bg orange -fg black -placement center -close never -fontsize large -icon /usr/share/doc/puppylogo96.png -text "$WELCOMEMSG"
/usr/sbin/quicksetup: line 1587: 13019 Terminated yaf-splash -bg orange -close never -fontsize large -text "$(gettext 'Processing, please wait...')"
Regarding the two included browsers. My humble thought is this. Puppy Linux should ship without a preinstalled browser. If posts on this forum are any indication, we will never have a browser that fits all. More importantly, Barry, we just can't afford to have your precious dev time wasted on browsers. They are not worth your breath, given the scope of work that's already on the plate.
Having followed your posts on the blog, I understand that this build is aimed at older hardware. I have a suggestion that will make Precise more consistent with its stated goal. Can you please, recompile the kernel as a pure, true uniprocessor kernel, no SMP? I do recall you had such a kernel in the past.
Thank you for all your hard work.
precise-5.6.4-blackscreen
Posted: Sat 13 Jul 2013, 16:32
by broomdodger
precise-5.6.4-blackscreen
+ thinkpad x30
+ sony vaio pcg-r505dl
+ wary-5500 works on both
Precise 5.6.4 alpha
Posted: Sat 13 Jul 2013, 17:37
by Billtoo
This EeePC is a 701SD and 5 years old so likely out of the target
group.
Manual frugal install to a flash drive.
video-info-glx 1.5.3 Sat 13 Jul 2013 on Precise Puppy 5.6.4 Linux 3.2.48 i686
2.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 04)
oem: Intel(r)915GM/910ML/915MS Graphics Chip Accelerated VGA BIOS
product: Intel(r)915GM/910ML/915MS Graphics Controller Hardware Version 0.0
X Server: Xorg Driver: intel
X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 800x480 pixels (211x126 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes
direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: VMware, Inc.
OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on i915 (chipset: 915GM)
OpenGL version string: 2.0 Mesa 8.0.4
Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 900MHz
Core 0: @Intel(R) 1: @630 MHz
# glxgears
Running synchronized to the vertical refresh. The framerate should be
approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate.
106 frames in 5.1 seconds = 20.963 FPS
118 frames in 5.0 seconds = 23.530 FPS
110 frames in 5.0 seconds = 21.952 FPS
#
Working well so far.
EDIT: I updated ppm and added Vlc-2.0.5 from ppm,connected an external
monitor,usb keyboard and mouse combination.
Movies DVD's play great, even full screen.
This 701SD is working even better now.
Posted: Sun 14 Jul 2013, 02:42
by Ray MK
Precise Puppy version 5.6.4, released Jul 2013
# uname -a
Linux puppypc21770 3.2.48 #1 SMP Thu Jul 11 12:20:55 GMT-8 2013 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
# free
total used free shared buffers
Mem: 1805144 569988 1235156 0 83752
-/+ buffers: 486236 1318908
Swap: 0 0 0
# top
Mem: 570720K used, 1234424K free, 0K shrd, 83752K buff, 411104K cached
CPU: 0% usr 0% sys 0% nic 98% idle 0% io 0% irq 0% sirq
Load average: 0.03 0.06 0.05 3/79 31000
Manual frugal to an ntfs partition on the E732 laptop and booting with grub4dos from an ext2 SDcard.
Both opera and seamonkey seem to run exceptionally well. As does QtWeb.
No issues so far - all looking very good, not far off the perfect puppy. Nice.
Better than nice - exceptional.
Now to try on the 10yr old Acer laptop.
Posted: Sun 14 Jul 2013, 09:24
by OscarTalks
Hello BarryK,
On your blog you were asking about Chromium. This one works in Precise 5.6.1 though you may wish to make your own alterations to the switches in the exec line at the end of the chrome-wrapper script in the main folder.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=86501
Posted: Sun 14 Jul 2013, 12:46
by pemasu
Pidgin bug:
There is something wrong with irc plugin.
pidgin --debug:
plugins: probing /usr/lib/purple-2/libirc.so
plugins: /usr/lib/purple-2/libirc.so is not loadable: undefined symbol: sasl_client_step
It disables testing of freenode and puppylinux channel.
#puppylinux channel is ok. There is all the time people asking help about how to get this and that working. I think that discussion of how bad things are in #puppylinux channel, tells more about those complaining people. The same complainers have created havoc in murga-forum sometimes. My explicit experience is that #puppylinux forum is the right forum to ask help in chat and there is nothing wrong with it.
I copied over irc plugin libirc.so from my wheezy 2.10.6 compile and got pidgin working. I did login to the #puppylinux with attached pidgin-autoinstall script. I fixed the script Barry K posted in his blog.
Remove the phony .gz
Posted: Sun 14 Jul 2013, 13:54
by backi
Hi !
I am using Precise 5.6.1 made a test with 5.6.4 Precise .
Works fine so far .Dont want to complain ....but why when testing glxgears
precise 5.6.1 give double framerate over 5.6.4 ( the Rarings Pups also half the framerate compared to Precise 5.6.1) ?
Is there something one could do about ? (is it really nessessary ? )
Posted: Sun 14 Jul 2013, 14:36
by session
Working OK on my 12 year old Celeron/Rage box...
Comparing some display information with Wary 5.5:
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-OpenGL-
Vendor : VMware, Inc.
Renderer : Gallium 0.4 on softpipe
Version : 2.1 Mesa 8.0.4
Direct Rendering : Yes
-Glxgears-
75 frames in 5.0 seconds = 14.974 FPS
73 frames in 5.0 seconds = 14.473 FPS
78 frames in 5.0 seconds = 15.554 FPS
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-OpenGL-
Vendor : VA Linux Systems, Inc.
Renderer : Mesa DRI Rage 128 20051027 AGP 1x x86/MMX/SSE2
Version : 1.2 Mesa 6.5.2
Direct Rendering : Yes
-Glxgears-
1336 frames in 5.0 seconds = 267.042 FPS
1335 frames in 5.0 seconds = 266.828 FPS
1333 frames in 5.0 seconds = 266.452 FPS
Posted: Sun 14 Jul 2013, 15:14
by pemasu
Here is the irc plugin for Barry`s pidgin testing purpose. It has been picked up from my Dpup Wheezy pidgin 2.10.6 compile so it is not the quite right one. It works though.
Jabber plugin from that compile does not work in Barry`s compile. There is ssl-gnutls version mismatch.
Posted: Sun 14 Jul 2013, 18:40
by OscarTalks
@ BarryK,
I was just tinkering with the new SeaMonkey 2.19 and found that in Precise 5.6.4 it doesn't start and in Precise 5.6.1 the old SeaMonkey still starts.
The symlink "seamonkey" in /usr/bin seems to be pointing to /usr/lib/seamonkey2.17.1/seamonkey ... Is this the correct path?
The .desktop file points to "mozilla" which is in turn a symlink to the symlink "seamonkey".
Auto-detect of video card at first boot
Posted: Mon 15 Jul 2013, 02:01
by FeodorF
Problem Solved (see end of post)
=======================
One minor bug - the NVIDIA NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] isn't auto-detected properly.
You will have to run: Puppy pfix=ram,nox - and use xorgwizard with the nv-driver option and reboot.
System used: P-III 933 (Coppermine)
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.NVIDIAX203H
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Driver "nv" #card0driver
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Card0"
Monitor "Monitor0"
DefaultDepth 24
Subsection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "1600x900"
lspci -nn >> /root/info.txt
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00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C693A/694x [Apollo PRO133x] [1106:0691] (rev c4)
00:01.0 PCI bridge [0604]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C598/694x [Apollo MVP3/Pro133x AGP] [1106:8598]
00:07.0 ISA bridge [0601]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C596 ISA [Mobile South] [1106:0596] (rev 23)
00:07.1 IDE interface [0101]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE [1106:0571] (rev 10)
00:07.2 USB controller [0c03]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller [1106:3038] (rev 11)
00:07.3 Host bridge [0600]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C596 Power Management [1106:3050] (rev 30)
00:10.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 [13f6:0111] (rev 10)
00:11.0 RAID bus controller [0104]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6421 IDE/SATA Controller [1106:3249] (rev 50)
00:12.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ [10ec:8139] (rev 10)
00:13.0 USB controller [0c03]: NEC Corporation USB [1033:0035] (rev 43)
00:13.1 USB controller [0c03]: NEC Corporation USB [1033:0035] (rev 43)
00:13.2 USB controller [0c03]: NEC Corporation USB 2.0 [1033:00e0] (rev 04)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] [10de:0181] (rev c1)
looking at: /usr/share/misc/pci.ids
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10de NVIDIA Corporation
0181 NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x]
1043 8063 GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8X
1043 806f V9180 Magic
1462 8880 MS-StarForce GeForce4 MX 440 with AGP8X
1462 8900 MS-8890 GeForce 4 MX440 AGP8X
1462 9350 MSI GeForce4 MX T8X with AGP8X
147b 8f0d Siluro GF4 MX-8X
1554 1111 PixelView MVGA-NVG18A
Menu->System->Lighthouse sys-info:
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product: NV18 Board - nv18nz Chip Rev A4
I don't know how to read:
SVendor
Name of the subsystem vendor (optional).
SDevice
Name of the subsystem (optional).
Do I have to compile 'my_lspci' from '
http://linux.die.net/man/8/lspci' ?
==================================
Problem Solved
There was an error in the BIOS 'Chipset Feature Setup'.
AGP-Aperatur Size: ...
AGP-4x Mode: Disabled (Has to be set!)
AGP Driving Control: ...
Re: Auto-detect of video card at first boot
Posted: Mon 15 Jul 2013, 02:20
by James C
FeodorF wrote:One minor bug - the NVIDIA NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] isn't auto-detected properly.
You will have to run: Puppy pfix=ram,nox - and use xorgwizard with the nv-driver option and reboot.
System used: P-III 933 (Coppermine)
For what it's worth, my ...
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Chip description:
VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] (rev c1)
Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
Resolution (widthxheight, in pixels): 1440x900
Depth (bits, or planes): 24
Modules requested to be loaded: dbe
Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
Driver loaded (and currently in use): nouveau
....... boots straight to the correct desktop resolution using the nouveau driver.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 110#713110
Boot to Xorgwizard
Posted: Mon 15 Jul 2013, 14:00
by jrb
First let me say that I am very excited by the idea of a lean, mean, fast new Puppy! I haven't paid too much attention to the Precise line up until now because it appeared to me to be, like Ubuntu, bloated and overly complicated.
For the last year or more I've been running pfix=ram with changes to the system stored in a seperate SFS loaded at boot. This has been made possible by the newer Xorgs booting directly to the desktop. Imagine my surprise when Precise561 booted to the Xorgwizard
, but I wasn't too disappointed as I wasn't going to use it anyway. But now here is Precise564, an exciting new concept, and it too boots to Xorgwizard.
Well, I have tracked the changes down and found it to be in the init file in initrd.gz. So I changed it out with the init from Precise55 and now its back to booting directly to desktop.
So my question is, is it necessary to boot to Xorgwizard
If so, fine, and I will post an alternate initrd.gz for those who want to go directly to desktop.
Barry, Thanks for moving in this direction (small and simple) and for all your hard work.
BTW, I'm very impressed with the QtWeb browser. I think it should be the default with a Quickpet to install the user's browser of choice.(are you saving that as a surprise?)
Cheers, J
Posted: Wed 17 Jul 2013, 10:12
by linuxcbon
PRECISE 5.6.4 :
- numlock is OFF by default.
- one browser is enough.
- qtweb has source code available, could be made default (it seems stable).
- "pet_packages-precise" contains many big files, like openshot, amd fglrx drivers, chromium, gimp, abiword, nvidia glx drivers, seamonkey, exaile, firefox, opera, audacity, gtkmm...
- in /etc/group there is twice group number 2. And contains unused groups.
- /root/network/Network/AppRun leaves delayedrun process ?
- Is /usr/local/share/ needed ?
- # /usr/bin/fpm2
** (fpm2:5167): WARNING **: Couldn't find pixmap file: logo.png
- .Xdefaults* is not needed anymore in linux ?