, so excited to have the new puppy releases..Newbies - Puppy needs YOUR help too!
hi
hi to all puppy linux users.....just to recommend something, for newbies like me.. I prefer to use the release of puppy in which the dependencies are pre-installed.. Coz tahrpup 6.0.2 's vlc just wont start in video playing, it suddenly stops... , so excited to have the new puppy releases..
, so excited to have the new puppy releases..bilingual installation- not so friendly
I found this post : adding extra language and keyboard switch at will (user: saintless) which is very helpful.
It could have been easier, if the 2nd step "options" would be a direct continuation of the 1st step "Main" , since it is a must in my opinion. i.e If one add keyboard layout, he is usually interested in a keyboard switch at will .
It could have been easier, if the 2nd step "options" would be a direct continuation of the 1st step "Main" , since it is a must in my opinion. i.e If one add keyboard layout, he is usually interested in a keyboard switch at will .
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puppyisperfect
Puppy Is PERFECT
Puppy Is the best and fastest OS I have seen it was easy to install/use.So Far I have already used it to disinfect this PC and a Laptop and it has inspired me to do all of the things I'm doing today and to try new things.In my opinion Puppy Linux is better than Windows,Ubuntu,Linux Mint and every other linux distro out there javascript:opener.emoticon(':D') .So a great thanks to Barry Kauler for creating this amazing OS and (though I don't know much javascript:opener.emoticon(':oops:') ) I'd like to try and help Puppy Linux as much as I can.
touch pad prob
If I open my compter after a long time touchpad and keybpard not works correctly.After first boot its ok. Why? please solve
himu555, welcome to the kennels!
I'm very pleased that you are enjoying Puppy, and want to thank you for following the advice at the beginning of this thread to ask about individual technical problems (assuming a search of this forum has not given you the right answer) in a new thread, as I see you have done. (This thread is just for comments - especially the negative ones! - which may help the developers propel Puppy to new heights).
Message to all newcomers:-
1 - Please don't be shy about asking for help in a new thread, if your problem has not already been solved in this forum (we've all been there!).
2 - Please, please take note of bigpup's stickied thread in this section, and if asking for help give full background information on the computer you are using, likewise exact version of Puppy. This makes it so much easier for folks to give you a better and more swift response, and is appreciated.
3 - Don't worry, even for a moment, if the forum language is not your natural one - just go ahead and post as best you can.
We all speak Puppy here!
I'm very pleased that you are enjoying Puppy, and want to thank you for following the advice at the beginning of this thread to ask about individual technical problems (assuming a search of this forum has not given you the right answer) in a new thread, as I see you have done. (This thread is just for comments - especially the negative ones! - which may help the developers propel Puppy to new heights).
Message to all newcomers:-
1 - Please don't be shy about asking for help in a new thread, if your problem has not already been solved in this forum (we've all been there!).
2 - Please, please take note of bigpup's stickied thread in this section, and if asking for help give full background information on the computer you are using, likewise exact version of Puppy. This makes it so much easier for folks to give you a better and more swift response, and is appreciated.
3 - Don't worry, even for a moment, if the forum language is not your natural one - just go ahead and post as best you can.
We all speak Puppy here!
thanksWorks great, looks terrible
I read this recently :
'The Puppy desktop, with JWM and the ROX-Filer window manager, is configured for a retro Windows 9x look-and-feel. This was deliberate, to make "Windows refugees" feel at home -- particularly those who have used Windows 95 and 98 and never made it to XP. However, the 9x look and feel is only superficial, and under the hood there is heaps of power and convenient features.
Some people have told me that they were initially put off by the "Windowish" look of it, or by the "bland" appearance. Invariably though, they found the user interface to be superb after using it for awhile.'
http://www.puppylinux.com/faq.htm
Even Barry seems to agree that Puppy has a .... certain look.
While it may have made sense to have a retro look back when Puppy was made, now Windows refugees will not feel at home because they are used to something that looks far more modern.
Puppy works... if you can navigate menus and so on. And the desktop can look rather cluttered with all the icons. The default wallpapers are kind of oldish I must say.
I mean, unfortunately, for many the appearance is just as important as the function. And often, good looks can enhance or direct to the good function.
Voilà....
So I wish Puppy looked better. Quite simply. I think it could look awesome and still work just as well. Just update the themes and icons and wallpapers ! I think that, with a more modern look, more would consider using it. A lightweight, functional eyesore is still an eyesore !
But all that said, Puppy works so well that I intend to use it as my main distro this year !
I did however, remove all the icons, set the panel to auto-hide, download new wallpaper and set up keyboard shortcuts so as to avoid seeing too much 'retro'.
uio
'The Puppy desktop, with JWM and the ROX-Filer window manager, is configured for a retro Windows 9x look-and-feel. This was deliberate, to make "Windows refugees" feel at home -- particularly those who have used Windows 95 and 98 and never made it to XP. However, the 9x look and feel is only superficial, and under the hood there is heaps of power and convenient features.
Some people have told me that they were initially put off by the "Windowish" look of it, or by the "bland" appearance. Invariably though, they found the user interface to be superb after using it for awhile.'
http://www.puppylinux.com/faq.htm
Even Barry seems to agree that Puppy has a .... certain look.
While it may have made sense to have a retro look back when Puppy was made, now Windows refugees will not feel at home because they are used to something that looks far more modern.
Puppy works... if you can navigate menus and so on. And the desktop can look rather cluttered with all the icons. The default wallpapers are kind of oldish I must say.
I mean, unfortunately, for many the appearance is just as important as the function. And often, good looks can enhance or direct to the good function.
Voilà....
So I wish Puppy looked better. Quite simply. I think it could look awesome and still work just as well. Just update the themes and icons and wallpapers ! I think that, with a more modern look, more would consider using it. A lightweight, functional eyesore is still an eyesore !
But all that said, Puppy works so well that I intend to use it as my main distro this year !
I did however, remove all the icons, set the panel to auto-hide, download new wallpaper and set up keyboard shortcuts so as to avoid seeing too much 'retro'.
uio
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I have been using Puppy Linux for a while and I have started around puppy 4.x and I'm a big fan until now. This saves me a lot of money using my old computers and making them workable again. As a show of support to this amazing software. I have written several blogs and reviews to promote this amazing software to all other newbies. I'm looking forward to new releases of this new and amazing piece of software.
www.reverbnation.com/severemetastasis, http://www.bitlanders.com/metal-joe
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newbie wants to help
Neubie, novice at linux, weants to help. Managed to wipe XP off my aspire one netpbook with 800 Mhz Atom, got it honking fast with TahrPuppy full install. OPK, I do admit to RTFM a bit... So, can you use a FNG 
to help somehow?
giggle at me at kbailey@howlermonkey.net
to help somehow? giggle at me at kbailey@howlermonkey.net
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Re: newbie wants to help
Of course you can.deliberatus wrote:Neubie, novice at linux, weants to help. Managed to wipe XP off my aspire one netpbook with 800 Mhz Atom, got it honking fast with TahrPuppy full install. OPK, I do admit to RTFM a bit... So, can you use a FNG
Poke around here a little, try some searches for past discussions -- use the "WellMinded Search" link in my sig.
And lastly come here and pick a title (click on the "New Topic" button below) that tells the reader what your question/problem is -- then fill in some more detail. This is probably one of the best user groups you are likely to find. These guys ROCK!
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Sweet Baby Jamie
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Do Puppies Expire?
I am a newbie and grabbed the latest version (Tahr), but I see older versions - much older ones - still available for download. Don't they expire after some time? Like most distros, don't they reach end-of-life at some point? How are they updated?
And which Puppy to adopt with so many out there is a question too. I would suggest some sort of sticky or wiki to address that for those of us who are brand new.
Which Puppy to Adopt?
According to:
Precise looks like a nice healthy Puppy too, but will it expire when Ubuntu 12.04 reaches end-of-life? Which ones are Ubuntu-based? Which Puppies are Debian-based? Slackware based? Are there Fedora-based Puppies and SUSE-based Puppies? What are the differences?
Please make some kind of guide to help a newbie pick the right Puppy!
And which Puppy to adopt with so many out there is a question too. I would suggest some sort of sticky or wiki to address that for those of us who are brand new.
Which Puppy to Adopt?
According to:
- hardware compatibility,
user's experience and background (new to Linux or kinda sorta experienced or expert),
required applications,
etc
Precise looks like a nice healthy Puppy too, but will it expire when Ubuntu 12.04 reaches end-of-life? Which ones are Ubuntu-based? Which Puppies are Debian-based? Slackware based? Are there Fedora-based Puppies and SUSE-based Puppies? What are the differences?
Please make some kind of guide to help a newbie pick the right Puppy!
Upgrades can sometimes mean that some things stop working, or work in a different way to what you're used to, such that you spend more time focusing upon the tool than the job in hand.
Once you have a puppy that works well with your hardware and helps you do the jobs you need to do, then changing the tool (pup) is just inviting problems/difficulties.
I boot puppy frugally (ram) with no savefile. The exact same copy each and every time like it was a fresh install. If I need to preserve a change I remaster (which using my own remaster script takes seconds). Everything else, data, docs etc I store outside of puppy.
I'll 'upgrade' when my hardware is changed. Not that I don't also try out other pup's - for fun. But return to my preferred pup when work has to be done.
With a fixed core pup that boots the exact same each and every time, setup the way you like it, then corruption or a virus during any one session is undone by a simple reboot. Frugal, no save file rules IMO. The easiest way to get close to that with other pups is to frugal install (install grub4dos on HDD and setup the pup in that) adding the pmedia=ataflash boot parameter as that will add a 'save' icon to the desktop. Then inside pup navigate to menu, system, pup event manager and open the savefile tab and set the save interval to 0 (never autosave) and 'ask at shutdown' if that option is available as that way the only time a save occurs is whenever you click the desktop 'save' button (assuming you answer no to the save prompt if prompted when shutting down).
On other pups it might be something like adding pfix=ram pmedia=ataflash as the boot parameter and answering NO when shutting down, unless you want to actually preserve changes.
If you start mixing in data/docs inside puppy space then you force yourself to have to save, better IMO to separate the two and have pup read only (with the added benefit of that being easily changed if required).
Once you have a puppy that works well with your hardware and helps you do the jobs you need to do, then changing the tool (pup) is just inviting problems/difficulties.
I boot puppy frugally (ram) with no savefile. The exact same copy each and every time like it was a fresh install. If I need to preserve a change I remaster (which using my own remaster script takes seconds). Everything else, data, docs etc I store outside of puppy.
I'll 'upgrade' when my hardware is changed. Not that I don't also try out other pup's - for fun. But return to my preferred pup when work has to be done.
With a fixed core pup that boots the exact same each and every time, setup the way you like it, then corruption or a virus during any one session is undone by a simple reboot. Frugal, no save file rules IMO. The easiest way to get close to that with other pups is to frugal install (install grub4dos on HDD and setup the pup in that) adding the pmedia=ataflash boot parameter as that will add a 'save' icon to the desktop. Then inside pup navigate to menu, system, pup event manager and open the savefile tab and set the save interval to 0 (never autosave) and 'ask at shutdown' if that option is available as that way the only time a save occurs is whenever you click the desktop 'save' button (assuming you answer no to the save prompt if prompted when shutting down).
On other pups it might be something like adding pfix=ram pmedia=ataflash as the boot parameter and answering NO when shutting down, unless you want to actually preserve changes.
If you start mixing in data/docs inside puppy space then you force yourself to have to save, better IMO to separate the two and have pup read only (with the added benefit of that being easily changed if required).
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darry1966
I consider myself a really old newbie (mostly because I'm really good at upgrading stuff I shouldn't without knowing how to fix it in a GUI) so I have tried about 50 puppies as a live, working full OS.
I have a few suggestions (though two are already solved largely in practice).
1) QUICKPET. BRING BACK QUICKPET! No idea how much easier that makes life, and to a newbie, PPM is kind of scary looking, reminiscent of Linux pacakge managers of 8-9 years ago (which is why I don't find them scary, BUT....) QuickPet, for all its faults, was a nice, easy program, much like the Flash updater most pups have now. I only used it a couple of times, but every person new to Puppy who adopted one later asks me where it is. Shoot, I started looking for it now and I can't find it.
2) A list of great directories, not necessarily a great list of programs. After using Puppy for a few years my wife took the plunge on one computer. But she hates looking for stuff in a forum-- so I just point her to some good directories, such as OscarTalks' directory and others. I think if people know where well-packaged, *generally* dependency-worry-free programs for the latest Pups are, there'd be no confusion.
3) Stuff on installing WM's and Desktop Environments. This is largely taken care of in the derivatives section (X-Slacko is getting really popular for good reason) but for someone trying to find the perfect DE there can be an issue.
4) The menu. Puppy has a lot of great software in one little package. It's amazing how much. The big problem is that a newb looks at the menu and just scrolling from "Desktop" to "Setup" sees over 30 programs. Which, at first, is cool-- but when you want to find "resize personal storage file" gets confusing. I don't know if JWM allows for more than one level of submenus (I read somewhere on the forum it does). Again, this problem is solved with the Derivatives-- XSlacko's Whisker Menu has taken all the searching out of it-- but if there was ever a way to add a wee couple of submenus to the submenus, it's a suggestion.
That said, I love Puppy. I've used it as a "life-saving backup" for years, and made it my own OS of choice for just under the last three or so. X-Slacko is downright impressive, but the vanilla flavors are amazing as well (currently using Slacko 6.0.7.4 and looking to simply build XFCE on top, hence #3).so most of the stuff above is from people I've shown it to going "um" a lot.
Now if you'll excuse me I am gonna go find XFCE again.
I have a few suggestions (though two are already solved largely in practice).
1) QUICKPET. BRING BACK QUICKPET! No idea how much easier that makes life, and to a newbie, PPM is kind of scary looking, reminiscent of Linux pacakge managers of 8-9 years ago (which is why I don't find them scary, BUT....) QuickPet, for all its faults, was a nice, easy program, much like the Flash updater most pups have now. I only used it a couple of times, but every person new to Puppy who adopted one later asks me where it is. Shoot, I started looking for it now and I can't find it.
2) A list of great directories, not necessarily a great list of programs. After using Puppy for a few years my wife took the plunge on one computer. But she hates looking for stuff in a forum-- so I just point her to some good directories, such as OscarTalks' directory and others. I think if people know where well-packaged, *generally* dependency-worry-free programs for the latest Pups are, there'd be no confusion.
3) Stuff on installing WM's and Desktop Environments. This is largely taken care of in the derivatives section (X-Slacko is getting really popular for good reason) but for someone trying to find the perfect DE there can be an issue.
4) The menu. Puppy has a lot of great software in one little package. It's amazing how much. The big problem is that a newb looks at the menu and just scrolling from "Desktop" to "Setup" sees over 30 programs. Which, at first, is cool-- but when you want to find "resize personal storage file" gets confusing. I don't know if JWM allows for more than one level of submenus (I read somewhere on the forum it does). Again, this problem is solved with the Derivatives-- XSlacko's Whisker Menu has taken all the searching out of it-- but if there was ever a way to add a wee couple of submenus to the submenus, it's a suggestion.
That said, I love Puppy. I've used it as a "life-saving backup" for years, and made it my own OS of choice for just under the last three or so. X-Slacko is downright impressive, but the vanilla flavors are amazing as well (currently using Slacko 6.0.7.4 and looking to simply build XFCE on top, hence #3).so most of the stuff above is from people I've shown it to going "um" a lot.
Now if you'll excuse me I am gonna go find XFCE again.
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menu
No need to search in menus at all if you useDeacon wrote:4) The menu. Puppy has a lot of great software in one little package. It's amazing how much. The big problem is that a newb looks at the menu and just scrolling from "Desktop" to "Setup" sees over 30 programs. Which, at first, is cool-- but when you want to find "resize personal storage file" gets confusing. I don't know if JWM allows for more than one level of submenus (I read somewhere on the forum it does). Again, this problem is solved with the Derivatives-- XSlacko's Whisker Menu has taken all the searching out of it-- but if there was ever a way to add a wee couple of submenus to the submenus, it's a suggestion.
Find'N'Run
Try it (or the version forked by forum member step) and you will forget all menus.
Re: menu
That is nice! That's like the Whisker Menu. I was just relaying what I've heard folks say about the vanilla menu on that one.L18L wrote:No need to search in menus at all if you useDeacon wrote:4) The menu. Puppy has a lot of great software in one little package. It's amazing how much. The big problem is that a newb looks at the menu and just scrolling from "Desktop" to "Setup" sees over 30 programs. Which, at first, is cool-- but when you want to find "resize personal storage file" gets confusing. I don't know if JWM allows for more than one level of submenus (I read somewhere on the forum it does). Again, this problem is solved with the Derivatives-- XSlacko's Whisker Menu has taken all the searching out of it-- but if there was ever a way to add a wee couple of submenus to the submenus, it's a suggestion.
Find'N'Run
Try it (or the version forked by forum member step) and you will forget all menus.
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RetroTechGuy
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I liked 4.11/4.12 Retro on my old (really old) laptop. I felt that 4.31 became a little "heavy" for some of my systems. The 5.x series seemed to recover a bit of that lighter touch on the hardware.darry1966 wrote:Yes totally with Anitaos my 4.31/4.12 update I used a barebones iso and updated it and left the browser out so you could update Browser and keep same iso. As for other programs latest and the greatest is not necessary like mp3 players etc. Older versions work just as well.
I'm currently running lupusuper 1 and 2 on my various machines... But the base model runs on my older hardware (including my PII 333 MHz laptop, with 512MB RAM).
"Lucid Puppy Revitalized as 5.2.8.7":
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=90461
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RetroTechGuy
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Re: Do Puppies Expire?
Writing a guide could be a massive work in its own right...Sweet Baby Jamie wrote:Which Puppies are Debian-based? Slackware based? Are there Fedora-based Puppies and SUSE-based Puppies? What are the differences?
Please make some kind of guide to help a newbie pick the right Puppy!
Lupu is Debian based. But keep in mind that Ubuntu is Debian based -- so they typically have largely interchangeable packages. And Lupu has continuing support, as do most of the newer systems.
My current favorite is:
"Lucid Puppy Revitalized as 5.2.8.7":
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=90461
Slacko is Slackware based.
Some vague memory makes me want to say that SUSE was used as the base in a past version -- but I'm not at all confident on that. (or am I thinking of one of the Knoppix versions?)
And I don't recall if there was a Red Hat/Fedora version or not...
For really Retro hardware, ttuuxxx has his 2.14 system, which is under continual upgrades... (the problem I found was that the one system that could really benefit from that light system is an old laptop, and the keyboard mapping is completely goofed up from the get-go -- not worth the trouble to bother to work on it to install that system -- so many others that also work).
" Classic Pup 2.14X -- Updated 2 series":
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=42553
Puppy 3.x seems to still have a good following, and some support.
There are still quite a number of people running Puppy 4.x, but I'm not sure that there is a lot of support going on with it.
Edit: Here's a link to "412collection Updated"
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=98852
And here is a good cross section of available systems:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/
And then there is Barry's Wary/Quirky family (which I believe are also designed for old hardware):
http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/
And those last 2 links are pretty much just the "official" releases... Then there are all of the special mods and custom builds...
One recommendation that pops up is to get a few CD-RW disks, so you don't waste media while playing with different systems (once I converge on a system or 4 that I like, I usually burn them so I have a permanent copy).
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