Carolina: Vanguard Edition Release 2 December 2014

[Geoffrey]

So right Geoff, I do like this, that manual copy step was so redundant... thanks Definitely going in the next Vanguard.

I also had need to make a symlink.... oh man, that create symlink's a dream. No need to open two Thunar windows to drag and drop or hunt around for link-to-@#$%. These two fixes... brilliant Geoff. I never realized how much they bothered me till I didn't have to live with it anymore. It's the little things... the little things

Here's a bit of a update with those, In my haste with the "Copy Path" I was getting ahead of myself, no need for a script, just change the custom command to this

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echo -n %f | xclip -selection c

Not that it matters as the Copy Path works fine as it is, but I'll write a script to fix the "Copy Path" a little later.

Edit: see previous post http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 298#823298

Create Symlink script, it's now changed to use two radio buttons for selection and fixed so "Relative" always makes a link in the selected file/folder directory.

[yerc1]

Try the Ninix notification theme to see what notifications look like without my meddling.

I didn't notice that the notification theme was not the default one. Good to know there's Ninix and heaps of other gorgeous notification themes. For now it's Smoke theme.

... I changed the DPI too, maybe have a look at that.

Yup - DPI was one tweak that has appeared to make a significant difference. After tweaking for a bit more, I'd now consider my initial font issues to be resolved.
Bob

Excellent, glad to hear that Moat. Now just to consider should I change the DPI in Vanguard by default?

The current DPI and font size are fine for me. When changing them, I find the Qt apps (example SMPlayer & Clementine) sticking out like a sore thumb that no amount of adjustment in the Qtconfig utility can make the font sizes match the vlina theme. The only thing that's standing out atm are the sidebar font size in LibreOffice welcome screen - so huge (like size 14?) compared to the menu font size, which honors the theme font size. Shown in attachment.

A pet for xf86-input-synaptics-1.8.1 might address the touchpad problem. That package is present in Fatdog.

Hi @battleshooter/ @Geoffrey can i trouble you with compiling one?

xf86-input-synaptics-1.8.1 is actually included in Vanguard Release 2. I think the last thing I settled on was it was a config issue or something?

As pfind can't find the package, I assume it was included in the "big" xorg then?

Want to send me a sys-info snapshot so we can start up diagnostics again?

Please see attachment. Thanks for not giving up on my touchpad.

[Geoffrey]

Repo update, details Carolina thread

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 777#825777

[mikeslr]

Hi All,

I''ve reported the problem on the kost@s's Chromium-thread, http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 872#825872, but as the Pup I attempted to run it under was Carolina-Vanguard, which may therefore be a factor in the failure, I'd appreciate if you have any ideas or suggestions that you post them the Chromium thread.

Thanks in advance,

mikesLr

[battleshooter]

Hi Mike, have you tried using the deb directly from Chrome's homepage? I've been using 38 from there on Vanguard with no problems.

When changing them, I find the Qt apps (example SMPlayer & Clementine) sticking out like a sore thumb that no amount of adjustment in the Qtconfig utility can make the font sizes match the vlina theme.

Hmm ok, noted. I'll look into that. Huh, the "need-to-look-into" list is getting longer than my arm (That's my fault not yours by the way, I appreciate everyone's faithful reporting )

As pfind can't find the package, I assume it was included in the "big" xorg then?

Yep, you assume correctly.

Please see attachment. Thanks for not giving up on my touchpad.

Thanks for being persistent . It's a two way street and I wouldn't have the opportunity to get Carolina working on Chromebooks if weren't for you. You're a pioneer for Chromebook users around the world

No difference for me. Alsa wizard/setup still doesn't find anything (when run after booting and sound working ok).

Ok thanks, now I can check that solution off my list. I'll post back when I can think of something new.

Not that it matters as the Copy Path works fine as it is, but I'll write a script to fix the "Copy Path" a little later.

Thanks Geoff I'll update that on my end.

[starhawk]

Sorry to add to actually-important support requests -- but would it be possible at some point to do a sort of 'service pack' release? I've been thinking about trying Vanguard, but I'm a little hesitant because it feels like I'd have to chase down approximately two jatillion dotPETs to fix little tiny things... and I really don't get along well at all with bugs, even little tiny ones...

...no rush, of course, I'm low-priority here (and I know it!)...

[battleshooter]

Sorry to add to actually-important support requests -- but would it be possible at some point to do a sort of 'service pack' release? I've been thinking about trying Vanguard, but I'm a little hesitant because it feels like I'd have to chase down approximately two jatillion dotPETs to fix little tiny things... and I really don't get along well at all with bugs, even little tiny ones...

...no rush, of course, I'm low-priority here (and I know it!)...

It's not a bad idea. Most fixes we figured out in Release 1 we included in Release 2. There isn't exactly a 'jatillion' of fixes since then because I haven't been working very hard on Vanguard. I wish I had a gazillion of fixes ...

The only major fixes and can think of is Geoff's handy dandy symlink creator and copy address updates. I'll certainly keep it in mind though, when I actually have some fixes to include.

[starhawk]

Uh... isn't there extensive work in this thread on bugs...?

Well, OK, some of it's feature requests (eg Marv's Bay Trail setup) but I personally lump all that together... easier that way IMO.

[starhawk]

Went ahead and tried it, and am quite impressed. I daresay it runs better on my netbook than X-Slacko 2.2!

One small UI note -- when it asks about the firewall wizard, the buttons really ought to be yes/no rather than ok/cancel

[rokytnji]

Looks like starhawk beat me here

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 378#826378

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# dmesg | grep usb 
[    0.157836] usbcore: registered new interface driver usbfs
[    0.157836] usbcore: registered new interface driver hub
[    0.157836] usbcore: registered new device driver usb
[    0.744007] usbcore: registered new interface driver r8152
[    0.757086] usb usb1: New USB device found, idVendor=1d6b, idProduct=0002
[    0.757096] usb usb1: New USB device strings: Mfr=3, Product=2, SerialNumber=1
[    0.757103] usb usb1: Product: EHCI Host Controller
[    0.757111] usb usb1: Manufacturer: Linux 3.18.1 ehci_hcd
[    0.757117] usb usb1: SerialNumber: 0000:00:1d.7
[    0.759214] usb usb2: New USB device found, idVendor=1d6b, idProduct=0001
[    0.759221] usb usb2: New USB device strings: Mfr=3, Product=2, SerialNumber=1
[    0.759227] usb usb2: Product: UHCI Host Controller
[    0.759233] usb usb2: Manufacturer: Linux 3.18.1 uhci_hcd
[    0.759238] usb usb2: SerialNumber: 0000:00:1d.0
[    0.760469] usb usb3: New USB device found, idVendor=1d6b, idProduct=0001
[    0.760476] usb usb3: New USB device strings: Mfr=3, Product=2, SerialNumber=1
[    0.760482] usb usb3: Product: UHCI Host Controller
[    0.760487] usb usb3: Manufacturer: Linux 3.18.1 uhci_hcd
[    0.760493] usb usb3: SerialNumber: 0000:00:1d.1
[    0.761670] usb usb4: New USB device found, idVendor=1d6b, idProduct=0001
[    0.761677] usb usb4: New USB device strings: Mfr=3, Product=2, SerialNumber=1
[    0.761683] usb usb4: Product: UHCI Host Controller
[    0.761689] usb usb4: Manufacturer: Linux 3.18.1 uhci_hcd
[    0.761694] usb usb4: SerialNumber: 0000:00:1d.2
[    0.762865] usb usb5: New USB device found, idVendor=1d6b, idProduct=0001
[    0.762872] usb usb5: New USB device strings: Mfr=3, Product=2, SerialNumber=1
[    0.762878] usb usb5: Product: UHCI Host Controller
[    0.762884] usb usb5: Manufacturer: Linux 3.18.1 uhci_hcd
[    0.762890] usb usb5: SerialNumber: 0000:00:1d.3
[    0.763897] usbcore: registered new interface driver uas
[    0.764002] usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage
[    0.764045] usbcore: registered new interface driver ums-alauda
[    0.764089] usbcore: registered new interface driver ums-datafab
[    0.764132] usbcore: registered new interface driver ums_eneub6250
[    0.764174] usbcore: registered new interface driver ums-freecom
[    0.764217] usbcore: registered new interface driver ums-isd200
[    0.764259] usbcore: registered new interface driver ums-jumpshot
[    0.764314] usbcore: registered new interface driver ums-realtek
[    0.764358] usbcore: registered new interface driver ums-sddr09
[    0.764402] usbcore: registered new interface driver ums-sddr55
[    0.764443] usbcore: registered new interface driver ums-usbat
[    0.764505] usbcore: registered new interface driver ldusb
[    0.791910] usbcore: registered new interface driver usbhid
[    0.791914] usbhid: USB HID core driver
[    1.066751] usb 1-3: new high-speed USB device number 2 using ehci-pci
[    1.291589] usb 1-3: New USB device found, idVendor=064e, idProduct=c114
[    1.291608] usb 1-3: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
[    1.291621] usb 1-3: Product: Intel Webcam
[    1.291633] usb 1-3: Manufacturer: SuYin
[    1.291644] usb 1-3: SerialNumber: CN1315-M00B-OV01-VS-R01.00.00
[    1.403641] usb 1-5: new high-speed USB device number 3 using ehci-pci
[    1.779782] usb 1-5: New USB device found, idVendor=0bda, idProduct=0158
[    1.779801] usb 1-5: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
[    1.779814] usb 1-5: Product: USB2.0-CRW
[    1.779825] usb 1-5: Manufacturer: Generic
[    1.779836] usb 1-5: SerialNumber: 20071114173400000
[    1.787142] scsi host4: usb-storage 1-5:1.0
[    1.894266] usb 1-6: new high-speed USB device number 4 using ehci-pci
[    2.034704] usb 1-6: New USB device found, idVendor=148f, idProduct=3070
[    2.034723] usb 1-6: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
[    2.034736] usb 1-6: Product: 802.11 n WLAN
[    2.034747] usb 1-6: Manufacturer: Ralink
[    2.034758] usb 1-6: SerialNumber: 1.0
[    2.323477] usb 5-1: new full-speed USB device number 2 using uhci_hcd
[    2.472892] usb 5-1: New USB device found, idVendor=22b9, idProduct=0006
[    2.472910] usb 5-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0
[    2.472923] usb 5-1: Product: eTurboTouch
[    2.472935] usb 5-1: Manufacturer: eTurboTouch
[    2.484236] input: eTurboTouch eTurboTouch as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.3/usb5/5-1/5-1:1.0/0003:22B9:0006.0001/input/input3
[    2.484551] input: eTurboTouch eTurboTouch as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.3/usb5/5-1/5-1:1.0/0003:22B9:0006.0001/input/input4
[    2.484927] hid-generic 0003:22B9:0006.0001: input,hiddev0,hidraw0: USB HID v1.01 Mouse [eTurboTouch eTurboTouch] on usb-0000:00:1d.3-1/input0
[   67.602314] input: Intel Webcam as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb1/1-3/1-3:1.0/input/input14
[   67.602679] usbcore: registered new interface driver uvcvideo
[   68.084771] usb 1-6: reset high-speed USB device number 4 using ehci-pci
[   68.952620] usbcore: registered new interface driver rt2800usb
[  167.929193] rt2800usb 1-6:1.0 wlan0: disabling HT/VHT due to WEP/TKIP use

Above is just to show touchscreen accepts my pen touching the screen on this fresh install to a

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# inxi -zv7
System:    Host: puppypc25368 Kernel: 3.18.1 i686 (32 bit gcc: 4.9.2)
           Desktop: Xfce 4.10.0 (Gtk 2.24.8) info: xfce4-panel dm: N/A
           Distro: Vanguard-Carolina Linux Linux 3.18.1 [ arch]
Machine:   System: Intel (portable) product: Intel powered classmate PC v: 3rd Gen
           Mobo: QCI model: Intel powered classmate PC v: 3rd Gen
           Bios: Phoenix v: HP94510A.86A.0035.2009.0427.2020 date: 04/27/2009
CPU:       Single core Intel Atom N270 (-HT-) cache: 512 KB
           flags: (nx pae sse sse2 sse3 ssse3) bmips: 3193
           clock speeds: min/max: 800/1600 MHz 1: 1333 MHz 2: 1333 MHz
Memory:    Array-1 capacity: 3 GB devices: 2 EC: None
           Device-1: DIMM 1 size: 2 GB speed: 533 MHz type: DDR2 (Synchronous)
           bus width: 64 bits manufacturer: N/A part: N/A serial: N/A
           Device-2: DIMM 2 size: No Module Installed type: N/A
Graphics:  Card: Intel Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller
           bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:27ae
           Display Server: X.org 1.16.2 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           tty size: 80x23 Advanced Data: N/A for root
Audio:     Card Intel N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 chip-ID: 8086:27d8
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k3.18.1
Network:   Card-1: Realtek RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller
           driver: r8169 v: 2.3LK-NAPI port: 2000
           bus-ID: 02:00.0 chip-ID: 10ec:8136
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter>
           Card-2: Ralink
           driver: rt2800usb v: 2.3.0 usb-ID: 001-004 chip-ID: 148f:3070
           IF: wlan0 state: N/A speed: N/A duplex: N/A mac: N/A
           WAN IP: <filter> IF: eth0 ip: N/A ip-v6: N/A
           IF: wlan0 ip: <filter> ip-v6: N/A
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 60.0GB (5.6% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: TOSHIBA_MK6028GA size: 60.0GB serial: N/A temp: 39C
           Optical-1: /dev/scd0 model: N/A rev: N/A dev-links: N/A
           Features: speed: N/A multisession: N/A
           audio: N/A dvd: N/A rw: none state: N/A
           Optical-2: /dev/scd1 model: N/A rev: N/A dev-links: N/A
           Features: speed: N/A multisession: N/A
           audio: N/A dvd: N/A rw: none state: N/A
           Optical-3: /dev/scd2 model: N/A rev: N/A dev-links: N/A
           Features: speed: N/A multisession: N/A
           audio: N/A dvd: N/A rw: none state: N/A
           Optical-4: /dev/scd3 model: N/A rev: N/A dev-links: N/A
           Features: speed: N/A multisession: N/A
           audio: N/A dvd: N/A rw: none state: N/A
           Optical-5: /dev/sr0 model: N/A rev: N/A dev-links: N/A
           Features: speed: N/A multisession: N/A
           audio: N/A dvd: N/A rw: none state: N/A
           Optical-6: /dev/sr1 model: N/A rev: N/A dev-links: N/A
           Features: speed: N/A multisession: N/A
           audio: N/A dvd: N/A rw: none state: N/A
           Optical-7: /dev/sr2 model: N/A rev: N/A dev-links: N/A
           Features: speed: N/A multisession: N/A
           audio: N/A dvd: N/A rw: none state: N/A
           Optical-8: /dev/sr3 model: N/A rev: N/A dev-links: N/A
           Features: speed: N/A multisession: N/A
           audio: N/A dvd: N/A rw: none state: N/A
Partition: ID-1: /mnt/sda6 size: 8.7G used: 21M (1%) fs: ext3 dev: /dev/sda6
           label: N/A uuid: N/A
           ID-2: /mnt/sda7 size: 39G used: 48M (1%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda7
           label: N/A uuid: N/A
           ID-3: /mnt/sda1 size: 5.7G used: 1.2G (22%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1
           label: N/A uuid: N/A
           ID-4: swap-1 size: 2.15GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda5
           label: N/A uuid: N/A
RAID:      System: supported: linear raid0
           No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
           Unused Devices: none
Unmounted: No unmounted partitions detected
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 56.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 114 Uptime: 57 min Memory: 330.2/2013.4MB
           Init: SysVinit v: N/A runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: N/A
           Client: Shell (bash 4.3.301 running in Terminal) inxi: 2.2.16 

With a fresh frugal install to /dev/sda1. I was suprised when the apps in the live session did not carry over
into the install but I have not read the whole thread either. Flying blindly into this one.

So I do not know if this has ben mentioned , so I'll just mention it.

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converted 'http://www.smokey01.com/carolina//pet_packages-carolina/gtk-youtube-viewer-0cbbc76-i486.pet' (ANSI_X3.4-1968) -> 'http://www.smokey01.com/carolina//pet_packages-carolina/gtk-youtube-viewer-0cbbc76-i486.pet' (UTF-8)
Spider mode enabled. Check if remote file exists.
--2015-02-06 15:25:27--  http://www.smokey01.com/carolina//pet_packages-carolina/gtk-youtube-viewer-0cbbc76-i486.pet
Resolving www.smokey01.com (www.smokey01.com)... 192.185.16.35
Connecting to www.smokey01.com (www.smokey01.com)|192.185.16.35|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 
  HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found
  Server: nginx/1.6.2
  Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 21:26:30 GMT
  Content-Type: text/html
  Content-Length: 12839
  Connection: keep-alive
  Last-Modified: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 02:22:07 GMT
  Accept-Ranges: bytes
Remote file does not exist -- broken link!!!

I have already over wrote perl installs and gtk-youtube-viewer is the only fail for me. I have not rebooted yet since this install. Been busy installing Audcious and Smlayer and updating Firefox, blah, blah, blah.

Looking cool beans so far.

Lots of room here

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# parted -l
Model: ATA TOSHIBA MK6028GA (scsi)
Disk /dev/sda: 60.0GB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
Partition Table: msdos

Number  Start   End     Size    Type      File system     Flags
 1      1049kB  6293MB  6291MB  primary   ext4            boot
 2      6293MB  60.0GB  53.7GB  extended
 5      6294MB  8441MB  2147MB  logical   linux-swap(v1)
 6      8442MB  18.1GB  9626MB  logical   ext3
 7      18.1GB  60.0GB  41.9GB  logical   ext4

Still rolling with lina 1.1 on my IBM M57 tower. Just call me lazy. But not late for the party.

[starhawk]

Ha! Hey, roky, I was going to try and track down that thread where we were talking about that -- but I couldn't find it...

Given that it's fairly responsive on my system, it should be just fine for yours -- especially since there aren't many people /less/ patient than me!

Oh -- and, speed isn't everything, Vanguard looks awesome, too... oddly enough, the clock font tickled me the most. I love Microgramma... (if that's not real Microgramma -- which it probably isn't, the real thing costs money for licensing -- it's a very good clone) From the title bars on down, it's a very aesthetically pleasing Pup IMO. I'm way into warm colors (red, yellow, etc) rather than cool colors (blue and green) but, meh, that's a personal thing -- doubly so because everyone seems to think that the future is blue and white (no thanks!).

I'm going to think seriously about switching from X-Slacko. Have to try Vanguard out a bit more, tho...

[battleshooter]

Uh... isn't there extensive work in this thread on bugs...?

Well, OK, some of it's feature requests (eg Marv's Bay Trail setup) but I personally lump all that together... easier that way IMO.

I suppose, just not much of late.

Regarding Marv's Bay Trail setup what exactly are you after? The kernel requests? Because they were included in Release 2.

Went ahead and tried it, and am quite impressed. I daresay it runs better on my netbook than X-Slacko 2.2!

That's always a compliment. X-Slacko is an excellent distro so I'll always be flattered when Vanguard is compared to it. That said though, Vanguard is Carolina so rg66's handiwork is all over Vanguard as well.

One small UI note -- when it asks about the firewall wizard, the buttons really ought to be yes/no rather than ok/cancel

I can do that. Wrote it down for next release todo list.

Looking cool beans so far.

Thanks for the feedback as well as the reports rokytnji. Touchscreen working eh? That's really cool, think you might be the first to test a touchscreen and mention it here.

With a fresh frugal install to /dev/sda1. I was suprised when the apps in the live session did not carry over
into the install but I have not read the whole thread either. Flying blindly into this one.

I'm surprised too, was this a once off thing, or does it happen every time you create a new pup save?

So I do not know if this has ben mentioned , so I'll just mention it.

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Remote file does not exist -- broken link!!!

Ahh yes, I checked it's source,http://www.smokey01.com/carolina//pet_p ... -carolina/, it is missing. Maybe Geoff has a back up or removed it for a reason. I'll let him handle this one.

Still rolling with lina 1.1 on my IBM M57 tower. Just call me lazy. But not late for the party.

Nah, if it aint broke, why fix it?

Vanguard looks awesome, too... oddly enough, the clock font tickled me the most. I love Microgramma... (if that's not real Microgramma -- which it probably isn't, the real thing costs money for licensing -- it's a very good clone)

Definitely not the real Microgramma. It's Michroma, included in Carolina by default. I like changing the clock font, just gives that bit of flavor.

I'm way into warm colors (red, yellow, etc) rather than cool colors (blue and green) but, meh, that's a personal thing -- doubly so because everyone seems to think that the future is blue and white (no thanks!).

Is purple a warm color? That used to be the original Vanguard theme. I suppose I fell into that future trap of the blue and white color scheme when I changed from that to the current blue theme. I was thinking red or orange for the next release though. If you'd like to use the previous purple theme, you can select it in the XFCE Theme Manager. It's creatively called "First Vanguard Theme".

[starhawk]

Warm colors
Red
Orange
Yellow

Cool colors
Green
Blue
Indigo/Purple/Violet/etc

Shades that most people think are colors but aren't
White
Gray
Black

[rokytnji]

I'm surprised too, was this a once off thing, or does it happen every time you create a new pup save?

No. I betach it may be a fubar on my end I bet. I need to start over and rinse and repeat, because beers and installs don't mix sometimes.
So I probably screwed up. No biggy.

I use fubar as a slang term from my USMC days. I am not going to leave a link to it.
Otherwise everything is Okey Dokey on my end.
These netbooks like your distro.
Thanks for letting me know I was reporting something legit also when it came to gtk-viewer.
No problemo.

[battleshooter]

Warm colors
Red
Orange
Yellow

Cool colors
Green
Blue
Indigo/Purple/Violet/etc

Shades that most people think are colors but aren't
White
Gray
Black

Thanks for the impromptu art class starhawk. So I guess the purple theme isn't up your alley. No matter, I'm sure you'll customize to your likes.

No. I betach it may be a fubar on my end I bet. I need to start over and rinse and repeat, because beers and installs don't mix sometimes.
So I probably screwed up. No biggy.

Ok, sure. Let me know if it's not on your side.

Hey Geoffrey, I think I've fixed the xlock issue. I compiled the latest xlockmore and the screensaver seems to start normally, but when starting it manually with "xlock" or "Xlock", it demands a password, and I don't know what password it's looking for, do you know how to change this?

xlockmore-5.32.pet
xlockmore_DOC-5.32.pet

[rg66]

Hey Geoffrey, I think I've fixed the xlock issue. I compiled the latest xlockmore and the screensaver seems to start normally, but when starting it manually with "xlock" or "Xlock", it demands a password, and I don't know what password it's looking for, do you know how to change this?

That's normal, running xlock or Xlock should bring up a window to "create a password" if Password Protect isn't enabled in screen saver settings. They aren't really suppose to run on their own.

[battleshooter]

Hey Geoffrey, I think I've fixed the xlock issue. I compiled the latest xlockmore and the screensaver seems to start normally, but when starting it manually with "xlock" or "Xlock", it demands a password, and I don't know what password it's looking for, do you know how to change this?

That's normal, running xlock or Xlock should bring up a window to "create a password" if Password Protect isn't enabled in screen saver settings. They aren't really suppose to run on their own.

Ahh, I've explained this poorly. When I say demands a password, what I mean is the screensaver starts then demands a password without me setting it. Or, if it asks me to create a password, xlock ignores what I set, giving me "invalid login" instead.

[rg66]

Ahh, I've explained this poorly. When I say demands a password, what I mean is the screensaver starts then demands a password without me setting it. Or, if it asks me to create a password, xlock ignores what I set, giving me "invalid login" instead.

Ah ok, that's not normal. Your pet works fine in X-slacko, I don't have a copy of Vanguard at the moment to test. I keep meaning to download it but haven't gotten around to it.

[Moat]

I'm way into warm colors (red, yellow, etc) rather than cool colors (blue and green)...

Hey starhawk (or anybody else) - maybe give these two themes a try - my personal tweaks of Aurora and Bluebird. Although green + sand/tannish, it's a darker, olive green (leans towards the warmer yellow side of the spectrum). Easy on the eyes. I too can't stand the pale, pastel blues that are so currently common... reminds me of those sterile, hospital room-ish default Win 7 colors!

Bob

[starhawk]

I go straight for Rezlooks-Human (the XFCE equiv. of GNOME2's Humanity theme, which I grew to love with some VERY old versions of Ubuntu)... thanks for the offer and effort tho.