We can do better than this...........
We can do better than this...........
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Over 5000 people got no response at all...
Thats terrible......This is an important area...
Puppy`s are supposed to be friendly....
I only respond to the ones I can help, hoping that by leaving the rest unanswered, they will be found easier...
Maybe unanswered posts should be made sticky in their respective threads, or something...IDK, but this isnt cool..
I`d like to think we have,
The friendliest forum in Linux....
I can think of 5000 people who might disagree....
Over 5000 people got no response at all...
Thats terrible......This is an important area...
Puppy`s are supposed to be friendly....
I only respond to the ones I can help, hoping that by leaving the rest unanswered, they will be found easier...
Maybe unanswered posts should be made sticky in their respective threads, or something...IDK, but this isnt cool..
I`d like to think we have,
The friendliest forum in Linux....
I can think of 5000 people who might disagree....
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I try to answer posts that I can but I only answer it in one of their posts. Many people post the same question in several sections several times. When I notice this I ask them to post a link to the one I respond to in a PM and to annotate it with [solved]
Many of these PMs get unanswered so I assume they were just distro-hopping and moved on (hopefully temporarily)
Other posts are just hey look at this - no response necessary.
Sometimes people just have an obscure (usually hardware specific) problem that I just have no clue how to help them.
And still other posts are from AJ (aka AlienJeff)- j/k AJ
Many of these PMs get unanswered so I assume they were just distro-hopping and moved on (hopefully temporarily)
Other posts are just hey look at this - no response necessary.
Sometimes people just have an obscure (usually hardware specific) problem that I just have no clue how to help them.
And still other posts are from AJ (aka AlienJeff)- j/k AJ
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Thanks to John Murga and Flash, the forum is diverse and dynamic.Over 5000 people got no response at all...
Spammers, trolls and those posting incomprehensibly, are often ignored.
Some may be posting in other languages with limited help available.
It is worth remembering that some people are new, 'Linux bewildered' or disabled by infirmity, using Windows, or as in my case, lack of neurons.
Be kind. Be patient. Answer the same questions again.
I am here because of the extensive help from Barry and GuestToo and others who treated me with respect and kindness.
Could we do more as Jay (puppyluvr) suggests?
Always.
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I have the same feeling, altho I won't say 5000, that more and more posts are unanswered. Very often the more technical ones.
And I am afraid the people who have the knowledge to answer are busy with other (maybe personal) thing, or too busy discussing the 4.2 or 5.0 or developing other nice stuff.
Those who answer regularly maybe able to do so up to a certain point and then I see nobody more knowledgeable is taking over.
Well what happens here it the lack of organization. Everybody is willing and is trying to help but the technical knowledge is very variable, some questions remain unanswered.
Another point is, that I don't know if there are people in development analyzing the post to see which subjects comes around frequently in order to adapt the product. I know the bug threads are looked upon, but I don't think it's done for the other forums.
A last point which affects the quality of the support is the working of the forum. If one tries to answer as quickly as possible and you have to sit for minutes looking at your screen before there is an answer back, it's deterring.
I made several remarks already, but these posts stay unanswered as well.
And I am afraid the people who have the knowledge to answer are busy with other (maybe personal) thing, or too busy discussing the 4.2 or 5.0 or developing other nice stuff.
Those who answer regularly maybe able to do so up to a certain point and then I see nobody more knowledgeable is taking over.
Well what happens here it the lack of organization. Everybody is willing and is trying to help but the technical knowledge is very variable, some questions remain unanswered.
Another point is, that I don't know if there are people in development analyzing the post to see which subjects comes around frequently in order to adapt the product. I know the bug threads are looked upon, but I don't think it's done for the other forums.
A last point which affects the quality of the support is the working of the forum. If one tries to answer as quickly as possible and you have to sit for minutes looking at your screen before there is an answer back, it's deterring.
I made several remarks already, but these posts stay unanswered as well.
Time savers:
Find packages in a snap and install using Puppy Package Manager (Menu).
[url=http://puppylinux.org/wikka/HomePage]Consult Wikka[/url]
Use peppyy's [url=http://wellminded.com/puppy/pupsearch.html]puppysearch[/url]
Find packages in a snap and install using Puppy Package Manager (Menu).
[url=http://puppylinux.org/wikka/HomePage]Consult Wikka[/url]
Use peppyy's [url=http://wellminded.com/puppy/pupsearch.html]puppysearch[/url]
One has to also account for the 'information only' type announcements, which need no answer
examples
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=35732
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=35731
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=35771
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=35728
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=35727
& the jokes
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=35788
nice one, Chris
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=35763
& 'Solved'
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=35770
Nice tip, disciple
so maybe not so many problems, but I agree with Jay, in principle, though reversing the search gives a bit of insight, too
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/search ... start=5100
The first 3 are BarryK c2005
Bugman, I shouldn't laugh but.....
Couldn't find any ghosts though, Fossil, perhaps a seance?
Aitch
examples
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=35732
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=35731
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=35771
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=35728
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=35727
& the jokes
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=35788
nice one, Chris
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=35763
& 'Solved'
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=35770
Nice tip, disciple
so maybe not so many problems, but I agree with Jay, in principle, though reversing the search gives a bit of insight, too
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/search ... start=5100
The first 3 are BarryK c2005
Bugman, I shouldn't laugh but.....
Couldn't find any ghosts though, Fossil, perhaps a seance?
Aitch
Some of those unanswered posts are mine, 2 or 3. They are technical questions and I assumed nobody had a solution. (approaching perfection, but still not perfect)
The questions that have been answered have been done so with enthusiasm and expertise (10 out of 10)
Thanks puppyluvr for pointing out that "View unanswered posts" link. I try to respond to posts where I have something to offer. Checking this link will make it that much easier to return something to the community.
Thanks again to anyone who has given help to me or anyone else. Its nice to know there are good people out there.
The questions that have been answered have been done so with enthusiasm and expertise (10 out of 10)
Thanks puppyluvr for pointing out that "View unanswered posts" link. I try to respond to posts where I have something to offer. Checking this link will make it that much easier to return something to the community.
Thanks again to anyone who has given help to me or anyone else. Its nice to know there are good people out there.
1. Many but not all.Many questions can be answered by googling.
Many questions are not precise enough.
Many questions have no solution.
2. Do you mean 'precise' or 'accurate'?
3. Every question has an answer.
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1 - i have found answers within this very forum more quickly through google than by visiting here first01micko wrote:1. Many but not all.Many questions can be answered by googling.
Many questions are not precise enough.
Many questions have no solution.
2. Do you mean 'precise' or 'accurate'?
3. Every question has an answer.
2 - 'precise' is better for questions, 'accurate' would describe bad answers [usually from bugman]
3 - every question may have an answer, but that answer may not in fact be a solution
Ok, we can run in circles all day if we want, but I think the original post by puppylvr has a point, and in my opinion that point is about attitude, (i.e. a good attitude toward new users of puppy). Shoot me down by all means, I don't have too many answers or solutions. However I may be able (and you too) to offer some positive input.bugman wrote:1 - i have found answers within this very forum more quickly through google than by visiting here first01micko wrote:1. Many but not all.Many questions can be answered by googling.
Many questions are not precise enough.
Many questions have no solution.
2. Do you mean 'precise' or 'accurate'?
3. Every question has an answer.
2 - 'precise' is better for questions, 'accurate' would describe bad answers [usually from bugman]
3 - every question may have an answer, but that answer may not in fact be a solution
EDIT: Bugman, you are right about google search, it is a better search engine for this forum than the forum search.
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usually my contribution is along the lines of 'that doesn't work for ME either!'01micko wrote:Ok, we can run in circles all day if we want, but I think the original post by puppylvr has a point, and in my opinion that point is about attitude, (i.e. a good attitude toward new users of puppy). Shoot me down by all means, I don't have too many answers or solutions. However I may be able (and you too) to offer some positive input.
EDIT: Bugman, you are right about google search, it is a better search engine for this forum than the forum search.
i have not done any programming of any kind since the mid 1980s, and that on an apple ii+, and i am thoroughly lost here, which is fine as i am thoroughly lost everywhere
BUT
when i have looked at forums [when extant] for other linuxes, i am shocked--shocked by how OUTSTANDING the level of friendly support is here at the puppy forum
there may be one or two better, ubuntu seems fulla eager beavers, but try asking a few newbie questions at dsl, or arch, or [take your pick]
note too that puppy is a VERY popular distro, i have never seen it slip below the teens at distrowatch, with no leader, no staff, no money
just a lot of well-meaning individuals with widely varying personalities and preferences, thrown together in a virtual liferaft, throwing rope whenever they hear a whimper from the crowded, icy waters
[sorry, it's early and my brain is still dreaming]
personally i think this forum does pretty well, all things considered, and i am reinforced in this delusion every single time i ask some stupid question about some ancient piece of obscure and barely functioning peripheral hardware