(old)Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

Hi, I'm looking at moving some info from the old wiki to the new.

I wondered what people consider to be obsolete. For example on the Abiword page there are references to Puppy 1.06 and 1.07.
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Abiword

Would it be useful to add Puppy status to the Version table at http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PuppyVersion

For example status could be active, unmaintained, superseded.

The problem isn't that the wiki has old stuff in it, the problem is that it's too big. Program info should not be in it.

-ignore, forum error-

I've just transfered and update AbiWord from old to new.

A little bit of basic program info is okay - especial if there is some Puppy specific thing. I agree that large chunks of program manual should not in there.

There was a lot of info about Puppy1, so in the new wiki I made three pages-

AbiWord - basic intro, how to install, compatibility

UsingAbiWord - basic setup of program - how to add dictionary and fonts

UsingAbiWordWithPuppy1 - Puppy1 specific info


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I've made a Category for Migrated Pages-

Please help us review pages for inclusion in the new wiki, after review and transfer add CategoryMigratedToNewWiki tag

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Hmm, forum's glitching so may be 2 posts

darkcity, can you do a vintage puppies section?

Then old wiki stuff and links from the forum could be included

Some posts I deal with helping people are from people with very early hardware who want to try early versions

see this thread for a recent one

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=65544

Both John Biles Legacy OS and ttuuxxx's 214X Classic Pup are 214 based and seem to be the earliest maintained, but have grown too big, or been updated in other ways for early low ram PCs, so people often still try 1 series or earlier, just as a base, as they have the earlier kernels

Is this being transferred to the new dokuwiki raffy set up?

thanks


Aitch

I will try my best to incorporate 'vintage' stuff.

The dokuwiki was an experiment looking into improving language support. However there needs to be discussion with all wiki contributers, as to which is the best wiki software and whether it would be feasible to change if wikka wasn't chosen.

I have an idea for language support on wikka, but it would involve some program. see http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 618#542618

I agree the wiki is not good

Are you still having problems with coolpup, or has his admin rights been revoked now?

wiki language basis

maybe we can use some of this?

http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/1513

http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/TracLanguages

http://theportalwiki.com/wiki/Help:Language_translation

Else, is there some way we could use googlecode, and googletranslate?

Aitch

By all means make a list of suggested pages to delete
or better still register and update
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/UsingThisWiki

There was some talk of resurrecting the Drupal site
that was abandoned by the main developer but that was more a CMS site?

Lobster wrote:There was some talk of resurrecting the Drupal site
that was abandoned by the main developer but that was more a CMS site?

The possibility is that of installing a fresh Drupal site because the former site had too many customizations for a smooth upgrade. But before this is done, there should be a number of committed admins (3 or so) who shall constantly watch for spam and other unusual occurrences.

The database dump of the former Drupal is here (this URL will be displayed only for a limited time).

The database dump of the former Drupal is here (this URL will be displayed only for a limited time).

Thanks raffy.
So many opportunities for improvement, hosting, helping etc

A lot of work went into the Drupal site at the expense of the old wiki (which became the current wiki)
To be honest I think Tom was simply overwhelmed by the enormity of what he had started.

Coolpup and recently Darkcity are our main contributors on the existing wiki
More workers better results. Everyone welcome.

For example keeping this page up to date is open to anyone willing . . .
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PuppyVersion

Coolpup has been adding lots of useful information. But some of the information isn't very accessible to a beginner like myself. Plus the style isn't what I'm used to on wikis. So I think working on the 'style guide' and 'using this wiki' pages would be useful. It is import to communicate via the comments to ensure people understand why a change is made - most wiki software has a seperate talk/discussion page for this purpose (not wikka).

Also, often I'm getting cannot connect to Sql Database - not sure if this is due to my connect/maintenance/something_else

Clear and user-friendly writing style is always welcome.

Wikkawiki has discussion, the comments under the page.

darkcity wrote:Also, often I'm getting cannot connect to Sql Database - not sure if this is due to my connect/maintenance/something_else

We'll have to see how the new 'platform' performs, as there was a migration by the host last June 13 (it was announced here). (That problem usually happens when the SQL server is separate from the web server.)

The biggest two problems I had when I first was given creation rights was working out what format to use for my pages.

What about creating a set of "Standard Blank Templates" for creators to clone from (application, lib, puppy, utility, ...)? It would make the pages look a bit more professional and a hell of a lot easier to create, especially for newbies on their first one.

I'd also like to see somewhere on all Application pages, what puppy versions the applications have compatable pets for, and maybe if not in the ppm where they "live".

And lastly, i'd like to see the ability for a creator to delete a page they have decided not to go on with, rather than as present just delete the content.

And, I will have a few more to add hopefully next week, I've been a bit busy pet'ing and testing. I take it I still use the current one?

regards
scsijon

Hi ScsiJon

I agree with most things you said. I will work on the style guide and some templates. Everyones input would be desirable.

For easier navigation, I've been working on a breadcrumb system - which is quite nice for software. Not sure about other subject areas.

see http://puppylinux.org/wikka/SoftwareIndex

I'm thinking of adding an Unsorted category - Coolpup is very keen for not too many categories. But I think every page should be in at least one category. Page Index is a last resort for finding what you want.

yes the wikka on puppylinux.org is the current one.

there has been comment that wikka isn't very good. So any input about alternatives welcome.

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if you have any pages on pupweb to move puppylinux, now is the time to do it.

If you know of any pages that have been transfered add the CategoryMigratedToNewWiki to the old page, see-

http://pupweb.org/wikka/CategoryMigratedToNewWiki

darkcity

Can this sort of index be used on the wiki?

I find alphabetic indexes much simpler

http://wiki.winehq.org/TitleIndex?allpages=1

aside/

Also, re: possible PLUG section, I'm hoping Coolpup has been made aware of this, as WhoDo seems to want to use the WIKI for sorting problems/solutions

maybe something like this -

http://linux-wless.passys.nl/

With modified dropdown boxes, for, e.g. Puppy series, version, derivative, kernel, particular hardware, and whether compatible/problem, or fixed?

I also like the 'complete list' button going to a full list on a new page, with quickview coloured indexing

Big ask I know, but that's what needs doing, so is the wiki suited or no?

It has been suggested we need a section/pages where only admins/devs have write permission, and for everyone else read only, so I have to ask if that's possible, too

research!

thanks

edit: oops, I'd changed your name to darkstrike....dunno where that came from

Aitch

A - is this the sort of thing you mean for index-

http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PageIndex ?

B - I'm not sure the best way to communicate with coolpup, occasionally they respond to wiki comments

C - Dropboxs connect to database - not easy on wiki

D - there are different levels of user/admin admins can lock pages. this only as good as the admin-ship

; -)

Well, yes, except for searching alphabetically

We used to have a left hand column, as I remember, on the earlier version, which linked straight to what I was after....now it just seems more chaos

What is happening with categories - CategoryCategory:?

I spent a lot of time helping to get a multilingual section done, but it's no longer there?

Seems like discord amongst wiki admins again, is Oui still admin, too?

I'd best be quiet...

Aitch

Yes, getting hands on work is the key. After all, volunteers get the work done, but hey, they are not perfect. (And whose standard is "perfection" anyway? )

My only request for now is for the casual observer to avoid passing judgment on actually working people (they are hardworking volunteers). Please suggest specific action that can be done and avoid general statements.

And the wiki with a side menu was part of the CMS (Drupal) that was too complex to maintain and was already abandoned long ago. (If you want to get the database dump, just PM me.)

To get started with a wiki for the PLUG that you can tweak to your satisfaction, why not head over to puppylinux.org/dokuwiki and start talking to oui? Go to this discussion.

Or you can stay with the current wiki at puppylinux.org/wikka:

1. Make sure that you are registered
2. Create a page by typing the url
puppylinux.org/wikka/MyNewPage
(supply the page name that you want)
3. Make that new page useful and watch it closely (no admin can do that for you)
4. If the page becomes truly useful, one of the admins may want to link to that from the front page

Maybe it is too much to offer a reminder that "stars" are earned in this community via meritorious work, but then some people seem to forget.

EDIT: Fixed the link to the "Existing Wiki" discussion.