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raffy

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PostPosted: Sun 19 Jun 2011, 19:45    Post subject: dokuwiki experiment  

OK, let's have an experiment, I created ./dokuwiki and made both oui and darkcity as admins.

Hope it works (no need to PM me if the new install works).

Good luck!

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PostPosted: Mon 20 Jun 2011, 06:10    Post subject:  

Thank you raffy!

http://puppylinux.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=en:news:start

http://puppylinux.org/dokuwiki/

please let us discuss about the next steps!

ok?

not ok?

who can provide Puppy arts stuff and build it in?
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PostPosted: Mon 20 Jun 2011, 07:24    Post subject:  

Is this some kind of fresh wiki start? Haven't really followed, but:

Puppy artwork and stuff: http://puppy.b0x.me/gallery/

Awesome wiki by Iguleder: http://puppy.b0x.me/wiki/doku.php

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PostPosted: Mon 20 Jun 2011, 07:29    Post subject:  

potential. perhaps a script to move over all the current wiki pages over for a start.

then make it look nicer.

I think that the problem with the wikkia now, is that stuff arnt organize well and there is no manpower, almost everything is done by coolpup.

I think that a fresh start to the wiki will be nice.

Also, the current wikkia seems to have a bad search system
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PostPosted: Mon 20 Jun 2011, 08:36    Post subject:  

Oh Dejan

dejan555 wrote:
Is this some kind of fresh wiki start? Haven't really followed, but:

Puppy artwork and stuff: http://puppy.b0x.me/gallery/

Awesome wiki by Iguleder: http://puppy.b0x.me/wiki/doku.php


thank you very much!

I didn't know until yet the new wiki of Iguleder! The stuff contained in it is really very interesting and I think we would continue with profit this way!

The only 2 matter I can regret is:

- no languages managing (and no distinction between them in the pages addresses. it would be important to separate all languages properly and at first English pages using an address form in

Code:
en:pipapo:popupa:....


where pipapo has to be a category (in my proposal fora 1), news, distros, stuff, blog, next)

and popupa a subdivision if needed

(needed if the hierarchy has to follow the order of the index of that forum, what I see as to be very important to find the topics easily and write the wiki pages and actualize them following the content of sometimes very long forum discussions where the forum discussions has the advantage to clarify all details and changes month after month)

- I find news, distros, stuff, blog and next also very important in the life of a community and it would be good to resume the objectives and movements in compact form in adequate wiki pages instead to need to have to read never ending discussion if you will get an overview about a topic.

it seems that both wikis as installed have not yet the internal translation's follow up being installed in some other dokuwiki's I know

(all pages have in all languages the same name excepted the 2 letters language code as showed above. the first name entry is the mother version independent in witch language this happens and as often this mother version will be changed, the fact of opening a translated version without the needed actualization starts a warning message requiring an actualization of the translation! I find this simple system wonderful!).

Old Dokuwikis did need an extra installation of both, writing colors, and include function, to be able to use them, with the translation's management 3 extra functions also if the are not included automatic in the new Dokuwikis (I don't know it).
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PostPosted: Mon 20 Jun 2011, 12:40    Post subject:  

Okay, so now we can experiment ; -)

I was hoping for discussion and agreement, one wiki would be the best solution.

@Oui can you post some links of the DokuWiki's that have translation installed?

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PostPosted: Sun 26 Jun 2011, 15:43    Post subject:  

There another wikka here

http://pupweb.org/wikka/

looks out of date - suggestion merge info from pupweb to puppylinux.org?

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Jul 2011, 23:43    Post subject: translation tools  

oui wrote:
it seems that both wikis as installed have not yet the internal translation's follow up being installed in some other dokuwiki's I know

(all pages have in all languages the same name excepted the 2 letters language code as showed above. the first name entry is the mother version independent in witch language this happens and as often this mother version will be changed, the fact of opening a translated version without the needed actualization starts a warning message requiring an actualization of the translation! I find this simple system wonderful!).

Old Dokuwikis did need an extra installation of both, writing colors, and include function, to be able to use them, with the translation's management 3 extra functions also if the are not included automatic in the new Dokuwikis (I don't know it).

Will look into this suggestion, oui, hopefully by next week, as am terribly busy now.

darkcity, pupweb.org/wikka has this in the header:
"This is the old puppylinux wikka wiki. The new one is at puppylinux.org/wikka"
Perhaps it is now time to close pupweb.org/wikka , as these has been sufficient time to migrate the contents to puppylinux.org/wikka ?

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PostPosted: Sun 10 Jul 2011, 00:13    Post subject:  

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Perhaps it is now time to close pupweb.org/wikka , as these has been sufficient time to migrate the contents to puppylinux.org/wikka ?


This has not been done. I just moved the major pages as needed right at the beginning.
You could however provide a period of several months. If old wiki material is not moved, then we can assume no one wants it sufficiently.

A notice to that effect on the front of the old wiki would provide notice of this intention.

Thanks raffy Smile

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PostPosted: Sun 10 Jul 2011, 05:31    Post subject:  

I can help shifting the information over to the new wikka. I suggest adding a Category to the old wiki CategoryMigratedToNewWiki . Then when information has been moved to the old wiki page can be tagged.

This would allow an easy way to check the progress of page transfer. I will need login to the old wiki add the category tag.

The current wiki has a few flaws-

-Language support

-Inconsistent style

-Many pages missing explanation of subject, going straight into a technical how to.

I have an idea for language support, but I need to find code that can access and modified the current URL address.

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PostPosted: Sun 10 Jul 2011, 06:03    Post subject:  

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I can help shifting the information over to the new wikka. I suggest adding a Category to the old wiki CategoryMigratedToNewWiki . Then when information has been moved to the old wiki page can be tagged.


That is fine and very welcome Smile

- camelcase is not needed on the new wiki
so names can be changed if clearer.

Some pages/projects are no longer relevant or need no place
- so not everything is required.

The code is practically the same - only URLS now have to be
like so [[http://www.puppylinux.org/news/ NEWS]]
http://www.puppylinux.org/news/
is not automatically a link

Cool

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PostPosted: Sun 10 Jul 2011, 06:15    Post subject:  

Grand. I won't shift things if not relative, just add a comment to that effect.

How do I get a login to the old wiki?

By code I meant java/php code that could grab the browsers current URL, rather than WikiCode.

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PostPosted: Sun 10 Jul 2011, 10:14    Post subject: emailed the login info  

darkcity wrote:
How do I get a login to the old wiki?

By code I meant java/php code that could grab the browsers current URL, rather than WikiCode.

Just emailed the access code to you. (Had to use email 'coz PM did not work for me.)

Hope you can describe more what needs to be done by the PHP code that you mentioned.

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PostPosted: Sun 10 Jul 2011, 10:24    Post subject:  

Thanks

Here's the idea, don't know how feasible it is - might require patching wikka

having a bar somewhere on the wiki page with lauguage links

[en] [fr] [de] [es] etc

click on a language other than english would append a something to the URL

from English-

http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PuppyVersion

to

http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PuppyVersion-fr
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PuppyVersion-de


from another language; minus the appended then add language code or none if english

if the page didn' t exist the wiki would prompt user to create it.


this way you can synchronize different language and make it obvious where language pages are missing.

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Jul 2011, 02:09    Post subject: Translation URL  

darkcity wrote:
having a bar somewhere on the wiki page with lauguage links

[en] [fr] [de] [es] etc

click on a language other than english would append a something to the URL

from English-

http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PuppyVersion

to

http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PuppyVersion-fr
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PuppyVersion-de

from another language; minus the appended then add language code or none if english

if the page didn' t exist the wiki would prompt user to create it.


this way you can synchronize different language and make it obvious where language pages are missing.


Perhaps it should be placed on the page only when the translation is already available, because when a non-registered user clicks on a non-existent page, s/he will be instructed to register (and create that page). This has been confounding a lot of unregistered users.

Linking to a page in wikkawiki is automatic, so you can just write

PuppyVersionFr

or

PuppyVersionfr

and the link to that new page will be inserted automatically by wikkawiki (Note that using a punctuation like - or . does not help).

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