corepup

[mavrothal]

No wifi or any extended hardware support.
The current CorePlus ISO is 105MB practically without any apps. Give it a try and see for yourself.

Not sure what exactly makes the big difference between CorePlus ISO (106MB) and the Tinycore ISO (16MB)
Well.. just guessing, CorePlus has 5 different window-managers included and wifi app with some firmware.

Wifi firmware + wireless is 30MB. It also has the full X (but no video drivers).
Then things like perl and gtk2. Infrastructure in general.
The window managers are altogether under 1MB and actually to work properly you need to download few more things (openbox has no icons or obconf).

There might be a issue running as regular user 'tc' because most puppy users are used as to being 'root' , e.g. I had problems to access my hard-drive partitions (permission denied )

If I remember correctly this is a bug. The generated folder permissions are 575 instead of 775. Check.

[bark_bark_bark]

I think the worst part about TC, is that it makes it hard for you to install apps that aren't in the tinycore repositories. TBH, I don't even think it allows you to compile from source.

[Robert123]

http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php?topic=18682.0

[wiak]

I think the worst part about TC, is that it makes it hard for you to install apps that aren't in the tinycore repositories. TBH, I don't even think it allows you to compile from source.

You should look up the tiny core wiki before making false claims. Of course you can compile easily on tiny core - tc team encourage that (as was the case in BarryK's Pups) since it helps increase extension apps for the tc repository. You just need the compiletc extension loaded:

http://wiki.tinycorelinux.net/wiki:crea ... =compiletc

As for importing from alien repositories such as Debian or Ubuntu, the tiny core variant called dcore is designed for that:

http://wiki.tinycorelinux.net/dcore:welcome

wiak

[LazY Puppy]

People are seem to go crazy in this forum lately.

Yes, people go. Waste your time. Waste your efforts. Repeat new-writing much of the scripts done by puppy developers over the past five or even ten years.

Do a new puppy with the tiny core and increase the number of people being confused after downloading a puppy, that just will not work as supposed to do.



What drugs are you on here lately on the forum?

I think, I should retire now for real on public puppy development.

Thanks for all the help and patience.

Edit:

Ich wage es, eine Prognose abzugeben: ihr werdet Puppy Linux mit voller Wucht an die Wand fahren.
Also immer schön angeschnallt bleiben!

[wiak]

We already have puppylike debiandog system, and very puppylike FatDog, so why should there not be a puppylike tinycore?

One trick I used to use with my own old tinycore installations was to have several versions sharing the same tcz squashed apps. So instead of putting the actual tcz extensions into tce/optional, I used to put symlinks in there pointing to the actual extensions folder, so different tinycore installs could use different numbers of extensions (as symlinks to the main extensions repository I created).

Aside from there being no harm in a puppyfied tinycore, it is good for Puppy-interested developers to look into other distributions in that level of detail because it gives ideas for improvements and/or innovations we can all adopt into Puppy itself.

Anyway it is nonsense and theatrical to leave a forum or Puppy more generally just because anyone doesn't like one thread! Funny.

wiak

[LazY Puppy]

Aside from there being no harm in a puppyfied tinycore, it is good for Puppy-interested developers to look into other distributions in that level of detail because it gives ideas for improvements and/or innovations we can all adopt into Puppy itself.

No you can't!

It has been proofed already by this community being unable to adopt improvements and/or innovations from members of this here community.

Mark my words!

E.g.

Sunburnt was already working in 2012 and/or 2013 on the squash apps to adopt such to puppy linux.

Results until today: NONE!

I had a look at this work at these times and downloaded scripts and squash apps.

Almost all of those squash apps had been old versions from 2010 and earlier at these times when Sunburnt had worked on the squash apps for puppy.

[wiak]

Aside from there being no harm in a puppyfied tinycore, it is good for Puppy-interested developers to look into other distributions in that level of detail because it gives ideas for improvements and/or innovations we can all adopt into Puppy itself.

No you can't!

It has been proofed already by this community being unable to adopt improvements and/or innovations from members of this here community.

Well, you are actually giving good reason why some developers might work on alternative 'puppylike' distributions rather than Puppy itself if it proves impossible to get their new ideas adopted in mainstream Puppy.

I wouldn't know how difficult or otherwise it is to get new ideas into Puppy. But if Puppy team doesn't keep open mind and continually try new ideas Puppy would be in great danger of obsoleting itself.

To me such discussions are just 'politics' - everything goes is a more interesting to me, whatever the distribution ends up being called.

wiak

[Robert123]

For people who don't think you can have a "general TC iso"
https://sourceforge.net/projects/minux/

There is also Nanolinux as well.

[wiak]

Maybe these discussions/ideas of puppylike distributions based on other distributions shouldn't be in Puppy forum, but where else would they be?

They are 'puppified' so their inspiration (and knowledge of what is needed to puppyfy them) comes from Puppy not from the base OS.

No more of a Puppy killer than a 'pure' tinycore killer - just a thread and practical idea to stimulate thought.

wiak

[LazY Puppy]

Anyway it is nonsense and theatrical to leave a forum or Puppy more generally just because anyone doesn't like one thread! Funny.

Leaving the forum and/or leaving Puppy Linux is huge different to retiring from public puppy development.

[wiak]

Anyway it is nonsense and theatrical to leave a forum or Puppy more generally just because anyone doesn't like one thread! Funny.

Leaving the forum and/or leaving Puppy Linux is huge different to retiring from public puppy development.

Good point!

[wiak]

For people who don't think you can have a "general TC iso"
https://sourceforge.net/projects/minux/

There is also Nanolinux as well.

I guess, from it including XMMS, that this little distribution is based on FLTK and also gtk1 apps, which are small and fast if not so pretty to all eyes.

[Sailor Enceladus]

E.g.

Sunburnt was already working in 2012 and/or 2013 on the squash apps to adopt such to puppy linux.

Results until today: NONE!

I had a look at this work at these times and downloaded scripts and squash apps.

Almost all of those squash apps had been old versions from 2010 and earlier at these times when Sunburnt had worked on the squash apps for puppy.

What are squash apps? sfs files? That's usually what I create for things (like Wine, which I like to load/unload on demand).

[bark_bark_bark]

I think the worst part about TC, is that it makes it hard for you to install apps that aren't in the tinycore repositories. TBH, I don't even think it allows you to compile from source.

You should look up the tiny core wiki before making false claims. Of course you can compile easily on tiny core - tc team encourage that (as was the case in BarryK's Pups) since it helps increase extension apps for the tc repository. You just need the compiletc extension loaded:

http://wiki.tinycorelinux.net/wiki:crea ... =compiletc

Okay, so I was wrong.

As for importing from alien repositories such as Debian or Ubuntu, the tiny core variant called dcore is designed for that:

http://wiki.tinycorelinux.net/dcore:welcome

wiak

That's not what I mean; what I mean is if there is a program that is only released in binaries, it's a pain to get running. I don't know if things are any better since I haven't ran TinyCore in a couple years and I've become relativly more experienced with Linux since then.

[LazY Puppy]

@Sailor Enceladus

Actually yes.

At least similar to .sfs.

SFS means squashed file system. So squash apps are programs in a file containing a squashed file system.

I run ALL of my applications in ALL of my Puppy Systems generally from .sfs files. I can execute programs being stored in .sfs files by its menu entry - just as if it would be installed by .pet packages.

There is just a single program that I'm installing by .pet package. It is the pgprs package as new puppies are missing this one.

Anything else runs from .sfs. If any program doesn't work from .sfs (caused by conflicting libs already in the puppy), I can load them to a top layer, so they will run and work.

I can also use programs from .sfs files that won't run if installed by .pet package, as I can mark such conflicting .sfs files to be unloaded automatically, before the other one is loaded to use its program.

In my first LazY Puppy (the OS) I had Openshot and Kdenlive, which won't work if they were installed by .pet package. Openshot and Kdenlive .sfs files "knows" that they can't be used simultaneously, so each one unloads the other one before loading and executing its program.

That's cool, that's easy and that's real Puppy improvement and innovation!

Though, none of these efforts of mine had found its way in any Puppy.

[wiak]

dcore is certainly different from tinycore. It offers another interesting base option, especially since you can modify the dcore SCE packages to share dependencies (otherwise they are self-contained so use more disk storage, but NOT more RAM storage...):

http://wiki.tinycorelinux.net/dcore:faq

How does dCore perform compared to Tiny Core?

Without having benchmarked, system performance should be reasonably similar running comparable software. dCore does, however, utilize more drive space than a similar Tiny Core installation as it automatically installs all basic dependencies specified by Debian or Ubuntu. It also requires drive space to download and store Debian packages, extract data and build SCE extensions. As SCEs are self-contained a system may have the same dependencies located in multiple SCEs.

It should be noted this dependency duplication only affects drive space not RAM usage. If drive space is limited, strategies may include moving the TCE (extension directory) to a larger partition, installing leaner software, unpacking Debian packages in RAM, purging Debian packages after an SCE is built, making a new SCE dependent on another to share common dependencies and using a list file to create an SCE mega-extension (multiple packages become one large SCE and share any duplicate dependencies).

So dcore offers yet another tinycore based solution for puppyfying for someone to try out with hopefully many common puppyfying ideas. I haven't myself ever used dcore - sounds a bit like a non-Debian DebianDog but modularised like the sfs stuff RSH did with LazyPup and/or what sunburnt was working on.

wiak

[Robert123]

For people who don't think you can have a "general TC iso"
https://sourceforge.net/projects/minux/

There is also Nanolinux as well.

I guess, from it including XMMS, that this little distribution is based on FLTK and also gtk1 apps, which are small and fast if not so pretty to all eyes.

My point is this you can make a general iso to run on any computer - run gtk1 or Gtk2 and Gtk3 apps - so basically tinycore is a very versatile base to build on there were other examples that were more sophisticated than that. Xorg or no Xorg or a tinyer xorg alternative.

[wanderer]

lazy puppy

it is with concern that i read some of your posts
your work is truly innovative
and greatly appreciated by the puppy
(and by extension the greater linux) community
even though it appears that everyone is focused solely on their own task
they are benefiting from and using the work of all of us

keep the faith

wanderer

[mavrothal]

People are seem to go crazy in this forum lately.

Not really, just older.

As oppose to other linux forums (check out the tinycore one as an example)
that are mostly for hackers (with the good meaning of the word) and "hackers to be",
Puppy forum is mostly a hangout for older (semi-)retired persons
(possibly with mobility problem that stops them from visiting the local caffe )
that come here to "shoot the breeze".

Is also a very relaxed place to start messing with linux.

When people get more serious, usually get frustrated and move on/out.
Initially from the forum and more often than not, from puppy.

So make the best of what the puppy forum has to offer