Muppylinux-004 (+ 005 for testing)
Lobster, it seems puptrix is down.
Please look here in 3 hours:
http://htb65.de/puppylinux/puppy-releases/isos/
I've set up the overload-protection, details:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 7658#77658
Sage:
the bigger size has two reasons:
the included zdrv_212.sfs from Puppy 212, and some new programs.
The modules from zdrv are just extracted, if required.
The new programs are in the addon, so only used if you activate it.
The basic system, that loads to Ram, just has new: rox 25, wxbasic.
So it still should work with 256 MB.
Mark
Please look here in 3 hours:
http://htb65.de/puppylinux/puppy-releases/isos/
I've set up the overload-protection, details:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 7658#77658
Sage:
the bigger size has two reasons:
the included zdrv_212.sfs from Puppy 212, and some new programs.
The modules from zdrv are just extracted, if required.
The new programs are in the addon, so only used if you activate it.
The basic system, that loads to Ram, just has new: rox 25, wxbasic.
So it still should work with 256 MB.
Mark
Yes, indeed. Everything works just fine for me. But I thought 128Mb was to remain the target?!! If you look at the Forum in detail, you can see just what HW many folks are trying to use. An install on 64Mb with swap is still a realistic minimum - like it or not!! Perhaps this is going to require even more innovation and ingenuity from the clever coders? Doublesquash?
no, for a system that fits into 128 MB, you had to use JWM with dillo.
This is not the target for muppy, that basically targets on systems 400 Mhz + 256 MB Ram. 192 MB, ok, as often 64 MB often is used for shared memory of the graficscard.
But for a smaller system I'd suggest to use Puppy or a stripped down Puplet like Murga-Puppy.
Mark
This is not the target for muppy, that basically targets on systems 400 Mhz + 256 MB Ram. 192 MB, ok, as often 64 MB often is used for shared memory of the graficscard.
But for a smaller system I'd suggest to use Puppy or a stripped down Puplet like Murga-Puppy.
Mark
The point I was making was that it may not be wise to limit user acceptance due to HW demands. No-one wants to tread in the footsteps of you-know-who. Notwithstanding, folks using onboard video with shared memory are asking for trouble; better to switch it off in BIOS (or with a sharp scalpel, if that isn't possible!) and fit, even an old PCI Cirrus Logic card, for example.
The danger of upping the resource requirement is that it takes your masterpiece into the hinterland between small, fast live distros and the mainline majors, possibly appealing to a smaller audience?
The danger of upping the resource requirement is that it takes your masterpiece into the hinterland between small, fast live distros and the mainline majors, possibly appealing to a smaller audience?
well, Muppy targets on people, who miss some things in Puppy, but don't want a full-blown up main-distro.
Also it targets on german users, where the mentioned specs are available for everybody, as you can buy such computers for less than 100 euro in the local newsletter.
I think this makes the charm of Puppy: you can use it to build a distro targeting a special audience.
Muppy is not intended to be "for everyone", but for the computer-user, that already has XP on his machine, and looks for something more reliable, with a set of programs that cover 80% of his needs.
The rest can be installed from dotpups, as it might be too specific depending on personal preferences. (Games or grafics or ...).
Mark
Also it targets on german users, where the mentioned specs are available for everybody, as you can buy such computers for less than 100 euro in the local newsletter.
I think this makes the charm of Puppy: you can use it to build a distro targeting a special audience.
Muppy is not intended to be "for everyone", but for the computer-user, that already has XP on his machine, and looks for something more reliable, with a set of programs that cover 80% of his needs.
The rest can be installed from dotpups, as it might be too specific depending on personal preferences. (Games or grafics or ...).
Mark
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Dowloaded and installed Muppy OK
There is a lot in this to explore. You are given a choice between English and German during statrtup and did it auto-install DHCP?
If it did what's the code . . . tell Barry
The menu system (Icewm I believe) was rather slow
Marks warning is a good one - backup your files. I managed to screw up Puppy 2.12 but I travel light . . . and it takes me a few minutes to get back on the Internet booting from CD
My impression is that Mark is creating something at his usual pace. Do have a look and offer feedback because Muppy is important. It is one of senior developers creating something in a real life situation. That is good.
yes.There is a lot in this to explore. You are given a choice between English and German during statrtup and did it auto-install DHCP?
very simple:
Code: Select all
#be kind...
rm -f /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd-*.pid
dhcpcd 2>/dev/null 1>/dev/null &
update-mime-database /usr/share/mime 2>/dev/null 1>/dev/null &
Yes, when it is build first time, it might be slow. Should pre-build it.The menu system (Icewm I believe) was rather slow
Or do you encounter this also later?
Thanks for your feedback, Lobster
Mark
vabene,
MUT and pmount work for me on my desktop-computer, did not try the others yet.
Did you try Puppy 212 already? Same problem there?
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I uploaded a servicepack for Muppy 005.
It installs UTF8-support for
Deutschland
Österreich
Schweiz
Luxemburg
It will set Rox to version 1 again, as it works better than Rox2.
With UTF8, also Rox1 can display äöü in filenames!
It also sets the Gtk-theme to industrial silver (the Muppy-default) again, but this time with the font bitstream vera sans activated (this font supports german Umlaute).
http://dotpups.de/dotpups/Muppylinux/Mu ... cepack.pup (55 kb)
Mark
MUT and pmount work for me on my desktop-computer, did not try the others yet.
Did you try Puppy 212 already? Same problem there?
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I uploaded a servicepack for Muppy 005.
It installs UTF8-support for
Deutschland
Österreich
Schweiz
Luxemburg
It will set Rox to version 1 again, as it works better than Rox2.
With UTF8, also Rox1 can display äöü in filenames!
It also sets the Gtk-theme to industrial silver (the Muppy-default) again, but this time with the font bitstream vera sans activated (this font supports german Umlaute).
http://dotpups.de/dotpups/Muppylinux/Mu ... cepack.pup (55 kb)
Mark
Mark, finally had a chance to try Muppy-005-212.
I couldn't resist putting it on a USB stick and booting it on my MicroClientJr to see what would happen. Here is the result:
It runs! It is running totally in RAM and there is 71.8MB RAM left. The only 'drive' is the USB stick, and it is inserted in one of the three USB 1.1 ports on the MCjr.
Sound works - I got the startup melody and two barks.
The network got its DHCP address automatically. I'm typing this from Firefox on the MCjr. Slow but it works
Just shows that Muppy actually works in 128MB RAM, but it would need a more powerful CPU than 200MHz to be practical.
Oh, BTW, MUT works - I can see the USB drive and start ROX.
Paul
I couldn't resist putting it on a USB stick and booting it on my MicroClientJr to see what would happen. Here is the result:
It runs! It is running totally in RAM and there is 71.8MB RAM left. The only 'drive' is the USB stick, and it is inserted in one of the three USB 1.1 ports on the MCjr.
Sound works - I got the startup melody and two barks.
The network got its DHCP address automatically. I'm typing this from Firefox on the MCjr. Slow but it works
Just shows that Muppy actually works in 128MB RAM, but it would need a more powerful CPU than 200MHz to be practical.
Oh, BTW, MUT works - I can see the USB drive and start ROX.
Paul
Methinks Raspberry Pi were ideal for runnin' Puppy Linux
Hey MU,
i tested muppy-5 again. When i start at the question "alle programme laden" with yes, mut, pmount and the installer do not work. When i say 2. no, mut, pmount is ok. i installed muppy to my flash-idedrive (i wrote this from there). from this drive mut works! maybe there is something missing - i have installed a selfmade kde-sfs too.
But there is still a problem with the language. i can not get the german "Umlaute".
Vabene
i tested muppy-5 again. When i start at the question "alle programme laden" with yes, mut, pmount and the installer do not work. When i say 2. no, mut, pmount is ok. i installed muppy to my flash-idedrive (i wrote this from there). from this drive mut works! maybe there is something missing - i have installed a selfmade kde-sfs too.
But there is still a problem with the language. i can not get the german "Umlaute".
Vabene
I updated the servicepack for Muppy005, the first version had errors.
Also added some more localefiles.
I had to use a trick concerning rxvt, as I found no UTF-capable font for it.
It is replaced by a script, that removes the ".UTF-8" from the LANG-variable, then it works.
Same with XFileExplorer.
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on Pakts screenshot, the taskbar at top is not as high as intended.
This seems to be a timing-problem in seldom cases.
With a right-click - "customize panel" you can set the size correct, just move the "size"-slider once.
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Concerning MUT I have no idea, I will try to boot Muppy from a CD tomorrow at work (I run a frugal installation here).
Maybe then I'll find a solution.
Mark
Also added some more localefiles.
I had to use a trick concerning rxvt, as I found no UTF-capable font for it.
It is replaced by a script, that removes the ".UTF-8" from the LANG-variable, then it works.
Same with XFileExplorer.
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on Pakts screenshot, the taskbar at top is not as high as intended.
This seems to be a timing-problem in seldom cases.
With a right-click - "customize panel" you can set the size correct, just move the "size"-slider once.
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Concerning MUT I have no idea, I will try to boot Muppy from a CD tomorrow at work (I run a frugal installation here).
Maybe then I'll find a solution.
Mark
vabene, please download and install the servicepack again, then restart X.
Does it work?
http://dotpups.de/dotpups/Muppylinux/Mu ... cepack.pup
You will be asked to choose a language, if you have no pup_save.3fs in /mnt/home/
This is the case, if you run Muppy from a CD and did not save your settings.
Or how do you run Muppy?
Mark
Does it work?
http://dotpups.de/dotpups/Muppylinux/Mu ... cepack.pup
You will be asked to choose a language, if you have no pup_save.3fs in /mnt/home/
This is the case, if you run Muppy from a CD and did not save your settings.
Or how do you run Muppy?
Mark
if you had installed my broken servicepack before, please run in a console:
Muppylocale
There choose english.
Then again:
Muppylocale
choose one of the german entries.
Restart X.
If you run this command:
grep LANG /etc/profile
you should get such a line:
LANG=de_DE.UTF-8
export LANG
Is this the case for you?
Mark
Muppylocale
There choose english.
Then again:
Muppylocale
choose one of the german entries.
Restart X.
If you run this command:
grep LANG /etc/profile
you should get such a line:
LANG=de_DE.UTF-8
export LANG
Is this the case for you?
Mark