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Lobster
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PostPosted: Mon 27 Nov 2006, 04:52    Post subject:  

Smile

Dowloaded and installed Muppy OK
There is a lot in this to explore. You are given a choice between English and German during statrtup and did it auto-install DHCP?
If it did what's the code . . . tell Barry Smile

The menu system (Icewm I believe) was rather slow

Marks warning is a good one - backup your files. I managed to screw up Puppy 2.12 but I travel light . . . and it takes me a few minutes to get back on the Internet booting from CD

My impression is that Mark is creating something at his usual pace. Do have a look and offer feedback because Muppy is important. It is one of senior developers creating something in a real life situation. That is good.

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MU


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PostPosted: Mon 27 Nov 2006, 04:59    Post subject:  

Quote:
There is a lot in this to explore. You are given a choice between English and German during statrtup and did it auto-install DHCP?


yes.
very simple:
Code:

#be kind...
rm -f /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd-*.pid
dhcpcd 2>/dev/null 1>/dev/null &
update-mime-database /usr/share/mime 2>/dev/null 1>/dev/null &


So these services run in background while the rest loads, and potential errors or messages are suppressed (if you have no network, a "cannot connect" could be ignored).

Quote:
The menu system (Icewm I believe) was rather slow

Yes, when it is build first time, it might be slow. Should pre-build it.
Or do you encounter this also later?

Thanks for your feedback, Lobster Cool
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vabene06

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PostPosted: Tue 28 Nov 2006, 05:26    Post subject:  

Hey Mu,
i have problems with muppy-5. Mut does not work. PMount is the same. When i try to install muppy to a flash-ide-drive nothing happens.
Maybe i got a bad copy from the iso or a defect cd.
But older isos from muppy (version 4) work ok. Vabene
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PostPosted: Tue 28 Nov 2006, 10:15    Post subject:  

vabene,
MUT and pmount work for me on my desktop-computer, did not try the others yet.
Did you try Puppy 212 already? Same problem there?

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I uploaded a servicepack for Muppy 005.
It installs UTF8-support for
Deutschland
Österreich
Schweiz
Luxemburg

It will set Rox to version 1 again, as it works better than Rox2.
With UTF8, also Rox1 can display äöü in filenames!

It also sets the Gtk-theme to industrial silver (the Muppy-default) again, but this time with the font bitstream vera sans activated (this font supports german Umlaute).

http://dotpups.de/dotpups/Muppylinux/Muppy-005-212-servicepack.pup (55 kb)

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PostPosted: Tue 28 Nov 2006, 11:06    Post subject:  

Hey MU,
I installed Puppy 2.12 on the flash-idedrive. Mut, Pmount and everthing worked. Not so with Muppy. The applications from Muppy are still ok, i tested the most - only. Ill make some more tests this evening.
VABENE[/b]
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pakt


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PostPosted: Tue 28 Nov 2006, 13:17    Post subject:  

Mark, finally had a chance to try Muppy-005-212.

I couldn't resist putting it on a USB stick and booting it on my MicroClientJr to see what would happen. Here is the result:



It runs! It is running totally in RAM and there is 71.8MB RAM left. The only 'drive' is the USB stick, and it is inserted in one of the three USB 1.1 ports on the MCjr.

Sound works - I got the startup melody and two barks.

The network got its DHCP address automatically. I'm typing this from Firefox on the MCjr. Slow but it works Wink

Just shows that Muppy actually works in 128MB RAM, but it would need a more powerful CPU than 200MHz to be practical. Cool

Oh, BTW, MUT works - I can see the USB drive and start ROX.

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Arcflup

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PostPosted: Tue 28 Nov 2006, 15:02    Post subject:  

I have exactly the same problems as Vabene. I am running on a Dell Latitude C600 laptop.
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vabene06

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PostPosted: Tue 28 Nov 2006, 16:12    Post subject:  

Hey MU,
i tested muppy-5 again. When i start at the question "alle programme laden" with yes, mut, pmount and the installer do not work. When i say 2. no, mut, pmount is ok. i installed muppy to my flash-idedrive (i wrote this from there). from this drive mut works! maybe there is something missing - i have installed a selfmade kde-sfs too.
But there is still a problem with the language. i can not get the german "Umlaute".
Vabene
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PostPosted: Tue 28 Nov 2006, 16:44    Post subject:  

Same here behaviour here regards 1 & 2.
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MU


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PostPosted: Tue 28 Nov 2006, 17:11    Post subject:  

I updated the servicepack for Muppy005, the first version had errors.

Also added some more localefiles.

I had to use a trick concerning rxvt, as I found no UTF-capable font for it.
It is replaced by a script, that removes the ".UTF-8" from the LANG-variable, then it works.
Same with XFileExplorer.

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on Pakts screenshot, the taskbar at top is not as high as intended.
This seems to be a timing-problem in seldom cases.
With a right-click - "customize panel" you can set the size correct, just move the "size"-slider once.

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Concerning MUT I have no idea, I will try to boot Muppy from a CD tomorrow at work (I run a frugal installation here).
Maybe then I'll find a solution.

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PostPosted: Tue 28 Nov 2006, 17:58    Post subject:  

Sorry if it's a silly question but how do I install good old-fashioned dotpups? Specifically the synaptics touchpad driver.

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PostPosted: Tue 28 Nov 2006, 18:09    Post subject:  

Rox2 has no mime-type for dotpups yet.
The servicepack reverts to rox1.

You also can type in a console:
setrox1

Then you can install dotpups as usual with a click.
I must have a closer look on how to create new associations with "update-mime-database" for rox2.

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vabene06

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PostPosted: Tue 28 Nov 2006, 18:09    Post subject:  

Hallo MU,
i installed your new servicepack, but the german language is still not correct. No umlaute. then i have another problem: everytime, when i start up, i have to choose the language!

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PostPosted: Tue 28 Nov 2006, 18:15    Post subject:  

vabene, please download and install the servicepack again, then restart X.
Does it work?
http://dotpups.de/dotpups/Muppylinux/Muppy-005-212-servicepack.pup


You will be asked to choose a language, if you have no pup_save.3fs in /mnt/home/

This is the case, if you run Muppy from a CD and did not save your settings.
Or how do you run Muppy?
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MU


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PostPosted: Tue 28 Nov 2006, 18:25    Post subject:  

if you had installed my broken servicepack before, please run in a console:
Muppylocale

There choose english.

Then again:
Muppylocale

choose one of the german entries.
Restart X.

If you run this command:
grep LANG /etc/profile

you should get such a line:
LANG=de_DE.UTF-8
export LANG

Is this the case for you?
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