Slacko B5

[01micko]

Thanks for report Charlie.. we are nearly there . When you get time there is more tests as you know, no rush .

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I have a little time tomorrow and will release RC . There will be changes to the kernel structures. PAE will be identified as such when running "uname -r". The default kernel will be 2.6.29.4 NOT pae.

So...to clarify, RC will be released with 2 kernel options, both the same kernel, compiled slightly differently.. one standard and one PAE They will have unique identifiers which is essential to getting the correct 3rd party video drivers (and others as they become available).

We are really and truly at the very pointy end but I have confidence. New woof is coming together just fine. The release I make will be fully reproducible down to the checksum.

There is only one thing I have neglected, Fprot. I know tasmod and pemasu have done some work but I need to brought up to speed. My workload is at optimum... no need to overload .. so I'm not ashamed to ask for assistance (yes I know stuff has been posted).

Anyone think of anything else? I'll be checking here about 2200GMT 111005 and that will be absolute zero. No requests, only essential bugs fixed thereafter. i expect to post RC about 8 to 10 hours later.

This has been a fantastic ride and the climax is upon us. Are you ready? I am

Cheers

[majorfoo]

There is only one thing I have neglected, Fprot. I know tasmod and pemasu have done some work but I need to brought up to speed. My workload is at optimum... no need to overload .. so I'm not ashamed to ask for assistance (yes I know stuff has been posted).

pemasu combined xfprot-2.4_fprot-6.0.3
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 9&start=15
I have used this successfully in lucid 528, luci 529, dpup exprimo 5x7 and slacko B5.

majorfoo

[zigbert]

Pmusic 2.1.7 is uploaded

[2byte]

@ 01micko:

Will the missing ATI drivers be in this one?

/usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri/r300_dri.so
/usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri/swrast_dri.so

[Jasper]

Hi 01micko et al,

If, and only if, Fprot for Linux is solely an "on demand" scanner then it seems to me to be falsely named since there is no protection, but, at best - detection and hopefully cure.

Windows users need higher quality "active" protection, with possibly "on demand" scanning as a secondary tool. Though "on demand" scanning of a Download directory/folder may prove useful in Windows or Linux.

If you use Wine and want a super-fast download (instantaneous with Broadband) and a fast (60 secondish) "on demand" scan try the reputable (but may show the occasional false-positive - so never delete recklessly) http://download2.emsisoft.com/malaware/MalAware.exe which can be bookmarked in SeaMonkey or any browser.

My regards

My view may be wrong and comments and criticism are invited,

[playdayz]

Would it be possible to include a menu entry for alsamixer? It is the mixer of last resort--when nothing else works, alsamixer works, at least for me and my weird sound cards.

[Stripe]

hi all

Good idea Playdayz, a lot easier than having to run it in terminal (strange soundcards here as well )

don

[Tasgarth]

Would it be possible to include a menu entry for alsamixer? It is the mixer of last resort--when nothing else works, alsamixer works,

I have the same problem if I want to use the slider of retrovol..
Test 1:
no action with pmusic.. the sound is up. Unable to modify. The two sliders are blocked ( that of pmusic and that of tray volume icon)
Test 2:
VLC the two work (Alsa is the default mixer of VLC)
Test 3:
GnomeMplayer. The program works, its volume slider is good but not the slider of retrovol.
I have to modify parameters of GnomeMplayer > Preferences> Audio> and I must choose Alsa and not 'default'.
After that taskbar slider is good.
But at each stop of GnomeMplayer, settings are lost.
Test 4:
Internet and FlashPlayer (Seamonkey) taskbar volume slider is good.

[zigbert]

Pmusic version 2.1.8

[zigbert]

no action with pmusic.. the sound is up. Unable to modify. The two sliders are blocked ( that of pmusic and that of tray volume icon)

Be aware that you can define the active channel for the volume slider both for Pmusic and for retrovol. Pmusic is set to use the 'master' channel as default. Of all soundcards, there are some that not has a 'master'. I wonder what is the most common alternative. I could easily let pmusic look for another main channel if 'master' does not exist. But I don't know what to look for.

What result do you get if you execute amixer -i in terminal?


Sigmund

[playdayz]

stripe and tasgarth,

In addition to what zigbert says, I have just found that if I install alsa-tools (which is not present by default) then my m-audio card has a mixer that retrovol can be configured to use (in full view only). Plus alsa-tools-gui (140K) gives me the whole m-audio mixer--very nice. I have also found that gnome-alsamixer, which is very small (53K), is very convenient, instead of having to reconfigure for each card as with retrovol (or press F6 as in alsamixer), it displays them all in easy to change tabs. I am going to add both of these to the next Super Multimedia Upgrade for Lucid 5.2.8. If we are lucky they will be in PPM for Slacko (not in Slacko so I can't check at the moment).

alsa-tools-gui has software for the following (the m-audio audiophile 2496 is an envy card)
echomixer - control tool for Echoaudio soundcards
envy24control - control tool for Envy24 (ice1712) based soundcards
hdspconf - GUI program to control the Hammerfall HDSP Alsa Settings.
hdspmixer - tool to control the advanced routing features of the
RME Hammerfall DSP.
rmedigicontrol - control tool for RME Digi32 and RME Digi96 soundcards

(There is also alsamixer-gui but it requires libfltk, and does not look as good as gnome-alsamixer and has no tabs.)

.

[Tasgarth]

zigbert

What result do you get if you execute amixer -i in terminal?

playdayz

In addition to what zigbert says, I have just found that if I install alsa-tools....
If we are lucky they will be in PPM for Slacko

OK

Thanks for your replies.

[playdayz]

stripe and tasgarth, Unfortunately it seems that alsa-tools-gui and gnome-alsamixer are not in the Slackware repos. Maybe I am not searching correctly. But I will look around.

[01micko]

Hi all,

playdaz.. anything gnome is in slacky.eu. I notice the PACKAGES.txt for slacky grew from 1M to 1.2M so it may be there now, you can get it by doing the full PPM update, it's faster than lupu.

Already "to-do" is make alsamixer the defaultaudiomixer, and sure a menu entry would be good.

I also need defaultcdplayer and defaultdvdplayer, so when you click the cd/dvd icon the correct app opens.

Sigmund- pmusic-218, got it, boy you move fast

Stripe. Please don't compile kernel stuff just yet. I am, releasing RC as I said with 2 kernel choices for 2.6.39.4, they will be idendified with "uname -r" as 2.6.39.4pae and 2.6.39.4smp. It's likely nvidia and radeon drivers I made will fail, but it's ok, I got compiling them down to an art now.
If you want to compile something a standalone vlc would be cool. We have one dependent on all the qt libs. Just make sure you enable lots of codecs, enable run as root, and disable the moz plugin. I can get it to load but it never works!

Also, Major-foo said he had audacious-303 or something. Where from? PPM? A pet would be cool, but no deps included, put the deps in the pet.specs. eg "+libsamplerate,+libevent" or whatever they are. Else build with deps in a different lib PATH. (/root/my-applications/lib?)

Thanks

[Jasper]

Hi 01micko et al,

VLC 1.1.1 (36 MB) from Portable Linux Apps works well for me - if of interest.

My earlier comment about Fprot was meant to suggest in response to your earlier comment that perhaps it is not so urgently required.

My regards

PS Libre Office from Portable Linux Apps has serious spelling problems (apparently for all languages) so I now use the SFS instead.

[Billtoo]

I got a new nvidia graphics card and replaced the legacy ati card that
was in this pc, then did a fresh frugal install of beta 5++.
Installed devx + kernel source sfs + NVIDIA-Linux-x86-285.05.09.run

Wed 5 Oct 2011 Operating System: Slacko Puppy-4.9x.7 Linux 2.6.39.4
0.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 430] (rev a1)
oem: NVIDIA product: GF108 Board - 1071v1p1 Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg Driver: nvidia
X.Org version: 1.9.5
dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (373x231 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

Computer
Processor 4x AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 810 Processor
Memory 8312MB (109MB used)

The new graphics card is working well in beta 5++

[gcmartin]

Just a note for others.

I run Live media PUPs. This PUP (and Barry's RACY too) seemingly is achieving speed I have not seen before on either my laptop or the other 32bit boxes I am running and testing on .

Here's my configuration that I am applying for my desktop LAN PCs.

1. remove all HDDs from each system
2. Insert a USB stick for SWAP only; with a 2nd small partition in case of emergency need.
3. Run CD/DVD/JamesBond's Netboot OS loads
4. Setup each system to access RAIDed NASs on local network

My findings:

• All available RAM is detected by the OS
• All systems load OS totally in RAM
• After OS load, all remaining RAM is used for Linux filesystem accessing (could NOT be accomplished without PAE)
• My laptop can now be used on my LAP! Its Temperature way down
• There is a noticeable decrease in overall system temperature on all PCs as measured at system's exhaust fan. This is understandable.
• My application use and needs now have a tremendous area of use that would otherwise be limited in 32bit systems
• My systems, seemingly, are faster because of RAM usage available to the OS via PAE hardware.
• There is NO INDICATION OF NEGATIVE BEHAVIOR

These findings are verifiable and repeatable.

There is a lot of misunderstanding about what Tovalds said. I re-iterate my understanding of what he has said: "He will not invest any additional resources in 32bit development to extend its life." His 32bit PAE productions work! His focus is on 64bit and Linux's future. And he wants the constant bombardment of those trying to sway his direction to stop!.

I agree with him. He has already solved PAE years ago. He has never once said to NOT use his PAE model or that something was wrong with Linux's use of PAE hardware. Nor has he inferred such to the Linux community at any time.

I thank Mr. Tovalds for his contributions and I stand by his statements to request everyone stop bothering him about focusing on 32bit hardware. The 64bit hardware model is a superior model.

And thank you 01Micko and BarryK for helping the community by addressing a 32bit OS that adapts no matter what the RAM it finds by using the model that Mr. Tovalds has given us. And thanks also to all of the others who have contributed to this in 2011. Its a credit to all of us and certainly to Puppy as it "leap-frogs" all other 32bit Linux distributions in behavior, power, and ability to stay within the same platform no matter how much RAM you add (assuming its less than 64GB).

Thanks be to all.

[James C]

Just a note for others.

I run Live media PUPs. This PUP (and Barry's RACY too) seemingly is achieving speed I have not seen before on either my laptop or the other 32bit boxes I am running and testing on .

Here's my configuration that I am applying for my desktop LAN PCs.

1. remove all HDDs from each system
2. Insert a USB stick for SWAP only; with a 2nd small partition in case of emergency need.
3. Run CD/DVD/JamesBond's Netboot OS loads
4. Setup each system to access RAIDed NASs on local network

My findings:

• All available RAM is detected by the OS
• All systems load OS totally in RAM
• After OS load, all remaining RAM is used for Linux filesystem accessing (could NOT be accomplished without PAE)
• My laptop can now be used on my LAP! Its Temperature way down
• There is a noticeable decrease in overall system temperature on all PCs as measured at system's exhaust fan. This is understandable.
• My application use and needs now have a tremendous area of use that would otherwise be limited in 32bit systems
• My systems, seemingly, are faster because of RAM usage available to the OS via PAE hardware.
• There is NO INDICATION OF NEGATIVE BEHAVIOR

These findings are verifiable and repeatable.

There is a lot of misunderstanding about what Tovalds said. I re-iterate my understanding of what he has said: "He will not invest any additional resources in 32bit development to extend its life." His 32bit PAE productions work! His focus is on 64bit and Linux's future. And he wants the constant bombardment of those trying to sway his direction to stop!.

I agree with him. He has already solved PAE years ago. He has never once said to NOT use his PAE model or that something was wrong with Linux's use of PAE hardware. Nor has he inferred such to the Linux community at any time.

I thank Mr. Tovalds for his contributions and I stand by his statements to request everyone stop bothering him about focusing on 32bit hardware. The 64bit hardware model is a superior model.

And thank you 01Micko and BarryK for helping the community by addressing a 32bit OS that adapts no matter what the RAM it finds by using the model that Mr. Tovalds has given us. And thanks also to all of the others who have contributed to this in 2011. Its a credit to all of us and certainly to Puppy as it "leap-frogs" all other 32bit Linux distributions in behavior, power, and ability to stay within the same platform no matter how much RAM you add (assuming its less than 64GB).

Thanks be to all.

Since you obviously don't let facts stand in the way of your crusade, I have one simple request.post a link to something where Linus Torvalds supports your "interpretation".
There is a reason why basically none of the major distros, except Scientific Linux and Centos, offer a live cd with a PAE kernel.....guess everyone is just not as informed as you.
Kinda difficult to carry on a rational discussion with someone w2ho exhibits a total disregard for facts.

EDIT:
I love your methodology of testing with a sample size of one.Apologies to 01micko for the temporary disruption of his thread.

[01micko]

There is only one argument to settle.

In the 2.6.39.4-smp version should I use xz compression (slower to decompress, smaller iso, 111M) or gz compression (faster decompression, larger iso, 124M)???

In my testing, the xz loads to 224M RAM (that's 256 with 32 for shared graphics) where as gz keeps the cd mounted. It should be ok though with 256 of dedicated RAM.

Thoughts?

[Stripe]

hi all

mick the psip pet in slickpet keeps droping the connection, so I have compiled a later version (1.2pre) in 4.9.X.7, seems to work OK but will test this out over the next couple of days and if it works I will compile one for slickpet with the rc when it is released
(thanks to smokey01,catdude, caneri and jamesbond)

there is no glade in the devx is there?

with a standalone vlc do you want the qt libs putting in a different path so it wont affect qt if it is installed? (sounds like I know what I am talking about )

hope this helps

don