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01micko wrote:Hi bigpup

I can confirm and also fix....

BUT!

What annoys me is that we have hundreds of testers yet not one discovered this? It was introduced on 2101202.

Well to be very frank that is because some of us don't like the Quickpet feature and don't test it. Inevitably we only find the time to test the features we find useful and all Puppy variants have plenty of features we don't find useful so please don't be offended!

01micko :

First and foremost! CONGRATULATIONS... five At a boys!!! YOU and the rest of the crew have done a bang up job in making this version of Puppy clean and efficient. You have catered to most of the request of users and testers in a very fast way.

SO don't let a few COSMETIC issues bother you. Years from now you can still find cosmetic issues. This Puppy RUNS... that is what is important. Perfect NEVER!

We who build anything from furniture to painting to software...always see the flaws.. but users not so much.

Step back a bit and congratulate yourselves... GOOD JOB!

GOOD JOB!

Well said - or shouted from the rooftops . . .

gonna do a fresh install of the 522
Just a report on stuff so far.

I tried using the CPU frequency tuning tool (under system) to
ensure Iplayer (uses flash) plays for longer than 15 minutes (did not help)

When playing (these are time consuming but fun tests)
videos (usually avi) in defaultmediaplayer, after about 50 mins
the sound makes a large continuous sound and the program locks -
have to do a ctrl + alt + backspace or x restart
VLC does not have this problem but is too large for Puppy
- we have to compromise and the current system is much better

'Business' (this is a woof error?) in ppm is still empty
- has been in every Lucid release

JWM I have been using in several of our latest test releases
and It has been working well

Minnesota wrote:01micko :

First and foremost! CONGRATULATIONS... five At a boys!!! YOU and the rest of the crew have done a bang up job in making this version of Puppy clean and efficient. You have catered to most of the request of users and testers in a very fast way.

SO don't let a few COSMETIC issues bother you. Years from now you can still find cosmetic issues. This Puppy RUNS... that is what is important. Perfect NEVER!

We who build anything from furniture to painting to software...always see the flaws.. but users not so much.

Step back a bit and congratulate yourselves... GOOD JOB!

Relevant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_is ... my_of_good

01micko wrote:Hi bigpup

I can confirm and also fix....

BUT!

What annoys me is that we have hundreds of testers yet not one discovered this? It was introduced on 2101202.

Here's the comment I made in the quickpet script.

GRABPET=`grep -i "$THEPET" $CONFFILE | cut -d '|' -f8|grep -i "$THEPET"` #changed from grep -iw call #20101202 bigpup

Ok, you can blame me, it's my code. But I just discovered a bug (and fix) reported here to do with rox being slow. The bug is in shino's countrywizard script. Again, an easy fix but how come no body found it until the twelfth hour?

...

I'll post playdayz the fixes but I'm sure he's a bit tired of all the "last minute" bugs surfacing when we hardly had a bug report in the preceding month!

(Don't mind me, jus' lettin' off some steeam )

I think 01micko is having a bad day!

If it helps we are all eternally grateful for what you, playdayz and the other devs do ...

The late reporting of bugs is probably due to a number of things. Here are 2.

Someone has already mentioned that many testers test only what they are interested in. I guess we don't have many interested in Chrome and Iron.

Seeing the rapid pace of development releases, even when it it just once a week, some users, who also want to have fun, will say they just cannot cope with the release schedule. They wait till the release candidate and then make last minute discoveries!

tubeguy wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_is ... my_of_good

ICPUG wrote:I think 01micko is having a bad day!

Nah.. just a bad moment

I found consolation in sc0ttman's game he posted http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 027#509027

Runs great! (though I had to have a crash course from my young bloke into how to control the thing!)

Chrome and Iron won't even run on my computers...........

.
Iron 10 should run in lucid. Oh, I see, unless for older computers.

@ playdayz

What is new in 522 compared to 521? Just numbers?

running lupu 521RC from Live CD and new ext3 savefile on vfat USB stick. Boot to desktop was fine. Changed timezone, and Numlock checkbox is excellent, has it always been there? Thought perhaps, Playdayz, that the warning to create savefile before setting up internet connection might be bolder or separated from paragraph - I didn't see it the first time around, expected it to come when clicking on the setup icon or something. Still, fine as is though.

Rebooted 20 times. Internet connection persistent throughout. Sound was iffy - booted as muted each time, even after right click and setting up different levels, and trying alsamixer. However, sound DOES appear without interference about 1 minute and 30 seconds into a new session. Waiting for that period of time always cleared up the sound issue.

installed firefox 4, no issues with firewall, ran gdmap, calculator, geany, nicoedit, pfind, mtpaint, pupcontrol, updated lucid PPM through Quickpet without issue. will check burning CD with burniso. No problems with desktop seizing, no black screen issues on any reboot.

VIDEO REPORT: Lucid Puppy, version 522
Chip description:
Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device

Driver used by Xorg:


Video mode used by Xorg:
Resolution: Depth:

All devs involved with this release - y'all rule.

What is new in 522 compared to 521? Just numbers?

Very few changes. A Quickpet update plus some new text on the firstrun dialog.

Can anyone explain to me the bug about Rox running slowly. When does it happen? Can you make it happen? Thanks.

Sound was iffy - booted as muted each time, even after right click and setting up different levels, and trying alsamixer. However, sound DOES appear without interference about 1 minute and 30 seconds into a new session.

Oh my. A minute and a half. That's something to think about. The sound is something that the next versions of puppy ought to work hard on. I know there are different schemes than the one we use--which sometimes will work when ours doesn't, *but* ours will work when sometimes the others don't. IMHO, ours has received more debugging than the others--and just changing schemes would be asking for it, again IMHO. If we changed we would need to do another month of testing! Someone needs to make it a priority from scratch. That said, I do think our sound scheme can almost always be made to work with a little twiddling--well, even more, it does work without any twiddling in most cases.

Another update for pfbpanel GUI

Added a new tab Pplugins with 4 plugins:
System up time.
CPU tempreture.
Save file used space.
Wifi hotspot name.

A small thing, but it could stop a fair bit of misery for people. On the issue of the compiz_xfce4-4.6.2-Lucid.pet . When people install it, it tells them to restart x into xfce, however they are then met with no windows borders!. This is solved by rebooting, and i think the install message should notify them of that.

01micko wrote:Hi bigpup

I can confirm and also fix....

BUT!

What annoys me is that we have hundreds of testers yet not one discovered this? It was introduced on 2101202.

(Don't mind me, jus' lettin' off some steeam )

I did post this back on page 58.
NA! NA! NA! NA! NA!
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 515#507515

You keep doing what you do.
It is a minor thing. That is what RC releases are all about.
Look for the polishing touches and hope that is all you need to do.

OK EVERYONE!
GROUP HUG FOR O1Micko

For that Matter GROUP HUG EVERYONE

Playdayz. One way to get rox running slowly and also inhibit cups printing is change inside the /etc/hostname puppypc to something else but leave /etc/hosts puppypc unchanged.
It has something to do with Rox routines.
There is thread somewhere recently where dougal probed the problem and Rox behavior.
Mismatch in those hostnames inside those files makes Rox behave slowly and i remember reports that it has also stopped cups printing.

playdayz wrote:

Sound was iffy - booted as muted each time, even after right click and setting up different levels, and trying alsamixer. However, sound DOES appear without interference about 1 minute and 30 seconds into a new session.

Oh my. A minute and a half. That's something to think about. The sound is something that the next versions of puppy ought to work hard on. I know there are different schemes than the one we use--which sometimes will work when ours doesn't, *but* ours will work when sometimes the others don't. IMHO, ours has received more debugging than the others--and just changing schemes would be asking for it, again IMHO. If we changed we would need to do another month of testing! Someone needs to make it a priority from scratch. That said, I do think our sound scheme can almost always be made to work with a little twiddling--well, even more, it does work without any twiddling in most cases.

For what its worth, as is well documented earlier in the thread, my main Linux box with a full install of 5.20 has had the same sound problem. Every reboot the sound is muted but about a minute or so later the sound will magically unmute and start working fine.....until I reboot.
However, on my testing frugal installs (now 522) there have been no sound problems at all...works fine from initial boot with no delay.

hmm, I never used the Chromium browser so i didn't find the bug......anyway I would like to thank all puppy developers and community....just in case....someone like to run away from developing Puppy because people are not grateful - just kidding

playdayz wrote:Can anyone explain to me the bug about Rox running slowly. When does it happen? Can you make it happen? Thanks.

I think this is it.
They did figure out what caused it.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=66111

James C wrote:

playdayz wrote:

Sound was iffy - booted as muted each time, even after right click and setting up different levels, and trying alsamixer. However, sound DOES appear without interference about 1 minute and 30 seconds into a new session.

Oh my. A minute and a half. That's something to think about. The sound is something that the next versions of puppy ought to work hard on. I know there are different schemes than the one we use--which sometimes will work when ours doesn't, *but* ours will work when sometimes the others don't. IMHO, ours has received more debugging than the others--and just changing schemes would be asking for it, again IMHO. If we changed we would need to do another month of testing! Someone needs to make it a priority from scratch. That said, I do think our sound scheme can almost always be made to work with a little twiddling--well, even more, it does work without any twiddling in most cases.

For what its worth, as is well documented earlier in the thread, my main Linux box with a full install of 5.20 has had the same sound problem. Every reboot the sound is muted but about a minute or so later the sound will magically unmute and start working fine.....until I reboot.
However, on my testing frugal installs (now 522) there have been no sound problems at all...works fine from initial boot with no delay.

You know, as fast as Puppy boots up. I wonder if some of this old hardware has time to power-up.
You know that other operating system takes like minutes to boot.

That was something that had to be done to Firewall status.
Make it delay working, to give time for the network to come on line.
Take a look next time you reboot.
Firewall status will show up in tray about 30 seconds after you get a desktop.