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Yes it will.

I used it within Win2000Pro and it worked just fine.

Puppy to flash drive downloads not working. Wondering if the links need to be fixed?

Hi Steve, i have used your exe download to install puppy on a friends computer and there was a small error on booting.
The machine is an HP Pavilion that has pre installed win xp os, now the pre install is on hd0 and windows is on hd1,so there was no boot as the menu list was looking for hd0. It was easy enough to correct the error but maybe a windows convert may not find the problem so easy.
Thanks for the program it is a keeper.

now the pre install is on hd0 and windows is on hd1,

this may be due to the presense of a recovery partition (where's my windows cd I paid for it!!!!)

mike

Mike you are correct, but it does throw the installation as i posted.

tubby wrote:Mike you are correct, but it does throw the installation as i posted.

Hmmm...I may have to mention something about that in the original post...most windows converts don't even have a grasp of the partitioning concept, and I don't want to scare them away with too many details, but that one may need mentioning....thanks tubby and Mike for clarifying.

Jellybean: did you get that link working? Which one specifically is out of whack? One was a more temporary file, but one of 'em should be good for some time....

steve_s wrote:

tubby wrote:Mike you are correct, but it does throw the installation as i posted.

Hmmm...I may have to mention something about that in the original post...most windows converts don't even have a grasp of the partitioning concept, and I don't want to scare them away with too many details, but that one may need mentioning....thanks tubby and Mike for clarifying.

Jellybean: did you get that link working? Which one specifically is out of whack? One was a more temporary file, but one of 'em should be good for some time....

In encountered the same problem - read about my trials and tribulations here.

In the process of solving the issue I learned a lot -

linbie wrote: In encountered the same problem - read about my trials and tribulations here.

In the process of solving the issue I learned a lot -

Good stuff, linbie...just Bruce B's idea of making a pupsave manually to use ext3 is worth the thread; still trying to figure that out. Good stuff.

Good stuff, linbie...just Bruce B's idea of making a pupsave manually to use ext3 is worth the thread; still trying to figure that out. Good stuff.

If thats what I think you mean puppy will still only mount it as ext2.

I have modified the initrd.gz to mount as ext3 and also reiserfs.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=51410
just for testing purposes but been using ext3 on puppy 4.12 for a little while now.

As for recovery partitions I believe I suggested an option should pop up or at least a warning to the user that this may be the case and perhaps give the opportunity to alter the menu.lst if they now there is such a partition.(or even have 2 entries with a try this if the other will not boot sort of thing)

mike

steve_s wrote:This idea (at least in my head) started from this thread, so props to T_Hobbit and zandarian for the specifics on how to get the pen drive booting.

Thanks to forum member "seeker" for putting together the assembler for the PuppyInstaller idea. Great job!

I just thought Windows users want to be able to double click something and it gets installed. Horribly simple.

So using stuff from those threads and other sources I did a few exe files. Please see the attached picture for an idea about one of them. All that one does is take the stuff that is needed and puts it onto a designated location, in this case, a flash drive.

All these need to be tested! They have worked really well on a vfat (fat32) usb flash drive (for the flash drive exe) and on NTFS WinXP for the Windows Puppy 431 Installer. Please take them, test them and give feedback.

PLEASE MIRROR so that we can get these tested, make sure it is solid, then share it with everyone!

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Window's Users
What to do with these? The goal is that a standard Window's user would just download this, run it, install, then give Puppy a try.

**Updated: 12/04/09
Want to install Puppy to your Windows XP computer just with one program?
Download: click here. (This link works in Internet Explorer and Firefox. For information on downloading with other browsers check zandarian's post near the end of the thread, currently page 6)
This exe installer program takes Puppy 4.3.1 and does a frugal install (just makes a single folder on the drive and puts the needed files there), modifies the Windows bootloader (just adds one line of text to it) and makes a WinXP install able to boot Puppy Linux 4.3.1. Download it, install it, reboot into Puppy, give Puppy a try. If you like it, keep it; doesn't do anything to your Windows install or change any of it's files, so Windows stays the same. If you don't want Puppy, in Windows just go to add/remove programs and uninstall it. Just that simple.

MIRROR (Alternative download) 1: click here. Thanks scabz!

**Updated: 11/26/09
Want to put Puppy on a Flash drive via a Window's install program?
download: click here Please observe same limitations on available browsers as with the aforementioned WinXP installer download.

MIRROR (Alternative download) 1: click here. Thanks scabz!

Need to Boot USB from a floppy? Try this:
Here is the link for WakePup2 boot floppy exe file. This will install WakePup2 to a ready to go floppy disk. Please look further in this thread for more details if necessary.

MIRROR (Alternative download) 1: click here. Thanks scabz!

Need to Boot USB from a cd? Try this:
Download this iso file; it is very small 4-5MB (same browser restrictions on this download site as the usb exe download). Then burn the iso image to a cd and use it to boot from. Don't have a cd burning program in Window's? Might try this free one (I do ). The only purpose of this cd is to boot a Puppy Linux 4.3.1 usb flash drive.

MIRROR (Alternative download) 1: click here. Thanks scabz!

Want to do some other iso than Puppy 4.3.1?
Well, for right now,UNetbootin has a good look and may work great. It is designed to allow you to take any iso and put it on your usb; it is the next best thing to having Puppy do it for you, it seems. For right now UNetbootin may be a great source for installing other isos (thanks to forum member TomRhymer suggestion).

Please tell me what you think.

thx a lot

thx, very useful

Is anyone still working on these exe installers?

This tweaked my interest so I tracked down seeker's files and looked at the basic code. As tubby reported above the code defaults to using (hd0,0) and relies on the user to manually change this if needed. However it occurs to me that boot.ini might be parsed for the correct partition. My XP, on (hd0,0), boot.ini looks like this So why not get the disk and partition info from this and adjust things? Wouldn't it be disk(0) and partition(1) that need checking?

What us time served windows types need, is some comprehensive cross reference between what we want to do (and know how to on w'doze) to get the same (or as close as) result in Puppy.

For example, installing a program, and creating a shortcut that works etc. Manually. There are many truly good bits of software out there, that do not and never will have a .pup or .pet installer.

We need to know from first principles how to do it the old school way. Sadly, the helps (local or net based) have long ago lost that info.

I know how to import a project source tree, configure, make, make install etc on other linux's too. But where to get the needed development files and tools in Puppy? There seem to be no .pup's or .pets with all that stuff.

Puppy is nice and easy to use, with what's there, or already "Pup'ed" and ready for it, but it's just soooooooooooo time consuming and frustrating to get anything else working.

I've just spent most of this Saturday, getting Puppy onto a hard drive, and trying to get a Java app to run, unsuccessfully so far (the .jar is not associated with the JRE is my best guess) Where as, in parallel with that, I've reloaded Vista onto two machines for friends, and done both service packs (not without issues) on each, and all the updates etc. They work, I still can't get my wanted app to run on Puppy!..

Going up the pub now!

Cheers.

Dave.

Dave, use this search and try to find the threads where develoeprs of pets describe how they do it and looks at the puppy wikka too

http://www.wellminded.com/puppy/pupsearch.html

Thanks Nooby.

That search works much better than the php forums own, thanfully. Some help learnt already.

I have to wonder (as it's my work too, in a way) if anyone collates the results of the searches, as for example, it seems "how to create a shortcut" (or similar) is a very common question. OK, it's been answered many many times or so it seems, but that sort of implies that the help system could be much better, or something else done to reduce new users need to ask that (and similar) questions. Perhaps time served Pup keepers are too close to the system to appreciate it?

Thanks again anyway. I now have a shortcut, but the app still doesnt work!.. Oh well.

Dave.
(G0WBX)

trying to get a Java app to run, unsuccessfully so far

Java seems to be difficult. I remember there are a thread that try to say how one can successfully do get it to work. But I am not motivated enough to spend time searching for it. I hope you have that motivation though.

Wow you are a HAM radio operator. I admired such for some 55 years or so.
I desperately asked the military to teach me Morse or CW but I was not fit for the elite. To bad performance getting the code. So no license for me.

Yes I know there are licenses for us who don't get morse too.

I've listen to G amateurs since 1960 at least but I am only doing internet now and no shortwave. Too much QRM from all computers and TV.

Good luck

Hi Again...

Yes, have been a HAM op, since I was 16 (now 53!) so it's just part of the normal toy cupboard for me Not that active from home (not enough of the right sort of time!) and since the hand held in the car broke (the RX went deaf) recently not much mobile either.

I have a full 100W HF set in the 4x4, and am trying to get things to the stage, where I can just "plug-n-play" if I want to, when setup in some campsite somewhere. PC wise, I'd like to have something that though I'd not exactly be happy if it broke or got badly damaged, it wont cause me any serious hassle. At the moment, the only decent portable PC I have is the works laptop I'm using now in my lunch break, I definately do not want to damage that, though it does travel with me a lot.

I've used Puppy on/off for the last few years, for odd things, usually getting some old clunker PC to work well enough so someone can play on the web, and it has been very good for that.

It's only because of that "happy time" experience, I thought I'd try to go further, but find just too many dots that are not joined up as it were. Mind you, that seems common in the Linux and open source world overall.

It's Sooooooo frustrating to know what I want to do can be done (I've seen screen shots of *Exactly* what I want to do) but can find no one who seems to know enough to tell me how to do what I want, the right way the first time. In particular, regarding the needed Java Run Time Environment install.

Dot Pup's and dot Pet's are a great idea, and where present install and work well. But if such a file does not exist, it's a show stopper.

As standard Puppy does not seem to support building app's from sources, but I know libraries are available to allow that, but so far the one link I found on another Puppy site is dead.


As to the HAM radio, take the ticket, even the basic Tech/Novice will get you access to air somehow. If not from kit of your own, then via the 'net and other peoples remoteable stations (subject to them letting you!) If you just want to listen, look up the GlobalTuners network (google, you'll find them) no licence needed, and you can listen to real off air stuff via your PC, from anywhere in the world.

Cheers and 73 etc.

Dave.

Thanks,

I don't promise but if I by accident come to see or remember how to search for java how to then I try to find this thread and tell you.

Surprised that none else remember. Maybe few need Java.

Edit.

I sent a PM to a guy I trust to know way more than me. Hopefully he send answer here or him tell you to start a new thread. With java in the title.
Or maybe he give link in a PM to me. Anyway if it would be good if you start a new thread about your java problems.

Hi Nooby,

thanks for the compliments and the message. But I just stumbled into this Java issue in context with Lucid Puppy and tried a few things. Fortunately they worked.

So Dave, you'll find my relevant postings when you go to this thread
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=53897

Go to the bottom of the first page and use the "display posts" function by author and choose descending. You will find a bunch of my posts then on page 1 and 2 of the search. The third one is relevant for installing Java.

Further check playdayz' post on this page
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... &start=825
and his pet here
http://www.diddywahdiddy.net/Puppy500/O ... cedtea.pet

As for your other well thought of wishes....
Puppy is unique in many ways. One is that it has no central development. It's a bunch of individuals with more or less skills that put out one Puplet after another. Any new main Puppy from Barry gives birth to a lot of Puplets created by others and abandoned even faster if something better comes along. To create a Wiki or any kind of database that has all relevant information on any one subject for all those Puplets is outright impossible, or would be an enormous ongoing task, to say the least.

But one can use the wellminded search for one, and create your own data base. This is how I do it. Any how-to I might need will be copied to a text file or a pdf file and archived with a meaningful title. In addition I collect pets and isos. All of this on a separate partition or a separate folder somewhwere outside the Puppy partitions. This way I can setup a new Puppy with all my trimmings in less than 30 minutes. Prerequisite is a Linux partition with Grub for the Puppies. Then a frugal install of a raw Puppy takes less than 3 minutes after the iso has downloaded (no CD involved).

Some other collection of good FAQs here
http://www.puppylinuxfaq.org/index.html

Hope this gets you started in the wonderful and somewhat chaotic world of Puppy.

wuwei , thanks for taking time providing all that info.
I've been thinking of java too but seems to not know when one need it.

Don't bother to explain. I am too lazy anyway.