official (momanager) language packs
Don't use the 05-29 (the 29 was a typo, should have been 19)
I cannot help you any further. All I can say is version 20130522 is the first one running without errors here. I've used it 3 days now and am as excited as I was after a few hours testing. The weeks before 20130522 were not easy, lots of problems I didn't understand, but do now, because the latest version solved all those problems.
For the record: I'm still running Precise 5.5, That's one difference with your 5.6.
(which I intend to install tomorrow)
I'm sure L18L will come to the rescue shortly...
Good luck!
I cannot help you any further. All I can say is version 20130522 is the first one running without errors here. I've used it 3 days now and am as excited as I was after a few hours testing. The weeks before 20130522 were not easy, lots of problems I didn't understand, but do now, because the latest version solved all those problems.
For the record: I'm still running Precise 5.5, That's one difference with your 5.6.
(which I intend to install tomorrow)
I'm sure L18L will come to the rescue shortly...
Good luck!
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Re: momanager-20130522.tar.gz
Reveal the name of the .mo file, or better name of the executable and it might become reproducible.vicmz wrote:...I tried to edit an existing .mo and got an error message...
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fast momanager
don570 wrote:Review:
I used the new Momanager to internationalize 'alien2puppy'
and it worked nicely
__________________________________
Thanks for the review
Another issue was edit Xdialog.po in momanager
Find in /usr/sbin/momanager line which contains
Code:
LANG=${ORIGLANG} rxvt -e intltool-update --dist --gettext-package=${ATEXTDOMAIN} --output-file=${ATEXTDOMAIN}.po ${ATEXTDOMAIN}1
put a # at beginning of that line so it looks like:
Code:
#LANG=${ORIGLANG} rxvt -e intltool-update --dist --gettext-package=${ATEXTDOMAIN} --output-file=${ATEXTDOMAIN}.po ${ATEXTDOMAIN}1
and append the following line:
Code:
LANG=${ORIGLANG} rxvt -e msgmerge ${ATEXTDOMAIN}1.po ${ATEXTDOMAIN}.pot --output-file=${ATEXTDOMAIN}.po ; #130525
..and also ROX-Filer can be edited if you apply this change.
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I just noticed a little oddity:
The latest edited new (right-side) files no longer show up on top of the left side (files that have a mo) column.
Discovered this while translating the universal installer. (30% done, phew.. )
Not a big deal, but I suppose L18L's idea was to keep the latest files on top of the list, which is indeed very handy for quick corrections)
The latest edited new (right-side) files no longer show up on top of the left side (files that have a mo) column.
Discovered this while translating the universal installer. (30% done, phew.. )
Not a big deal, but I suppose L18L's idea was to keep the latest files on top of the list, which is indeed very handy for quick corrections)
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If you restart momanager then the order is as always is.Bert wrote:The latest edited new (right-side) files no longer show up on top of the left side (files that have a mo) column.
Putting that entry at top of the list is the easiest way for codingBert wrote:I suppose L18L's idea was to keep the latest files on top of the list, which is indeed very handy for quick corrections)
and , yes, it is very handy. But "latest created files on top" is only true in a "session" of momanager.
Appears it is more difficult to explain than to code.
problem returns
I fired up MoManager maybe for the first time this week and, feeling a bit tired, decided to translate a mini app first: pEqualizer (just a few lines ).
Translation went well, but pEqualizer did not appear on top of the left column drop down box. Instead, there was a whole list of Pburn and Pmusic entries on top. Both apps should have remained on the right side, as I haven't even started translating them. (Not all the Pburn/Pmusic entries had moved to the left, roughly 50% had stayed on the right side)
When I opened one of the Pburn entries on the left side I was greeted with the dreaded BAD NEWS popup again....
So...maybe vlcmz's report was correct and I've been just lucky not to experience this problem before.
After closing MoManager, shaking my fist at Tradir (*), the translators' patron saint, and two strong coffees later, I reopened MM and everything looked normal again:
pEqualizer to the left alphabetically, Pburn and Pmusic back to the right side.
This also relates to my last post above, I accepted your reply but kept feeling it happened before closing MoManager. (Haven't had time to try and reproduce it.)
(*)
Translation went well, but pEqualizer did not appear on top of the left column drop down box. Instead, there was a whole list of Pburn and Pmusic entries on top. Both apps should have remained on the right side, as I haven't even started translating them. (Not all the Pburn/Pmusic entries had moved to the left, roughly 50% had stayed on the right side)
When I opened one of the Pburn entries on the left side I was greeted with the dreaded BAD NEWS popup again....
So...maybe vlcmz's report was correct and I've been just lucky not to experience this problem before.
After closing MoManager, shaking my fist at Tradir (*), the translators' patron saint, and two strong coffees later, I reopened MM and everything looked normal again:
pEqualizer to the left alphabetically, Pburn and Pmusic back to the right side.
This also relates to my last post above, I accepted your reply but kept feeling it happened before closing MoManager. (Haven't had time to try and reproduce it.)
(*)
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This is what actually happenedBert wrote:Don't use the 05-29 (the 29 was a typo, should have been 19)
And the app was a gettext version of PupSnap 1.8, which I could translate as usual with 05-22.
Thanks, Bert and L18L
Not so off-topic, can momanager be ported to older Puppies? I've received requests for localizing Lucid 528-005 and Puppy 431, it'd be easier to have momanager as a more organised method for translating these.
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I am sure it could. But not by me.vicmz wrote:..can momanager be ported to older Puppies?..
Just one hint:
Momanager identifies internationalized scripts by the line:
Code: Select all
export TEXTDOMAIN=
... and improve them if there should be anything wrong in them ?
edit
waryq and lupq exist
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/profil ... le&u=17722
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Re: problem returns
Thanks for reporting "bad news"Bert wrote: I fired up MoManager maybe for the first time this week and, feeling a bit tired, decided to translate a mini app first: pEqualizer (just a few lines ).
Translation went well, but pEqualizer did not appear on top of the left column drop down box. Instead, there was a whole list of Pburn and Pmusic entries on top. Both apps should have remained on the right side, as I haven't even started translating them. (Not all the Pburn/Pmusic entries had moved to the left, roughly 50% had stayed on the right side)
When I opened one of the Pburn entries on the left side I was greeted with the dreaded BAD NEWS popup again....
So...maybe vlcmz's report was correct and I've been just lucky not to experience this problem before.
After closing MoManager, shaking my fist at Tradir (*), the translators' patron saint, and two strong coffees later, I reopened MM and everything looked normal again:
pEqualizer to the left alphabetically, Pburn and Pmusic back to the right side.
This also relates to my last post above, I accepted your reply but kept feeling it happened before closing MoManager. (Haven't had time to try and reproduce it.)
(*)
I will try to reproduce it now:
I rename my LC_MESSAGES/pequalizer.mo
and launch momanager
...wait a moment
/usr/local/pequalizer/func and
/usr/local/pequalizer/pequalizer at right side.
now create /usr/local/pequalizer/pequalizer
translate 2 phrases and
/usr/local/pequalizer/func and
/usr/local/pequalizer/pequalizer at left side.
Now edit /usr/local/pequalizer/func
and..... no bad news.
Do we use the same version of momanager?/usr/local/pequalizer/pequalizer wrote: # 20121028 (c) 01micko@gmail.com and zigbert@murgalinux.com 2011-2012
...
VERSION=0.9.0
Here the last comments of the version I am using at the moment:
#130503 test if .po file changed.
#130503 L18L: rename AppInfo.xml to AppInfo.xml.in for langpack
#130505 L18L: quick version: caching variables in CACHE/... from 2m to 2s
#130512 acknowledge new translators, deleting /tmp/momanager
#130519 L18L bug fix: instead of APKGNAME use ASCRIPT, DESKFILE, XMLFILE, ABIN; code for sss and menu categories unchanged
#130520 L18L bug fix: multiple scripts for 1 TEXTDOMAIN
#130521 L18L bug fix binaries, update NOCNT,YESCNT
#130522 L18L bug fix 1 line NOXML_XML and multiple scripts
#130525 L18L replace intltool-update by msgmerge
Hope that helps
or how gcmartin uses to write
Here to help
[edit] Close momanager, restart and wait some minutes is good.
But I really liked to make fast momanager useable
that is: not only fast but also precise .
Thank you!
The pEqualizer version is the same: v.0.9.0
Momanager is 20130522 as it left the factory...
I don't have
I presumed that was the code in your reply to Don570...so added that now.
Will let you know how it goes.
chüss.
The pEqualizer version is the same: v.0.9.0
Momanager is 20130522 as it left the factory...
I don't have
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#130525 L18L replace intltool-update by msgmerge
Will let you know how it goes.
chüss.
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Exactly!Bert wrote:#130525 L18L replace intltool-update by msgmerge
I presumed that was the code in your reply to Don570...so added that now.
... and this code snippet has made it into official momanager
http://bkhome.org/blog2/?viewDetailed=00267
(where Barry says it occurs in two places.)
I really should build an actual version of fast momanager soon.
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fast momanager
How would you like this sort
alphabetic
case insensitive
basename. not PATH
I have found it difficult to find any script in the old sort order
alphabetic
case insensitive
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I have found it difficult to find any script in the old sort order
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Re: fast momanager
Great idea!L18L wrote:How would you like this sort
alphabetic
case insensitive
basename. not PATH
I have found it difficult to find any script in the old sort order
I have a secret momanager wish list, one of the items on that list was a search function...your idea is much better. It would certainly clear up the interface.
PATH is probably only useful for people like me, still learning where things are in Puppy?
Otherwise, would it be helpful to do:
alphabetic
case insensitive
basename, then PATH
?
Would the latest edited file be still on top in this new setup? Or is that then redundant, given the ease with which to find a file?
Anyhow, I vote 5 stars for your idea
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Re: momanager
That's actually what I say and do. Maybe some people feel nostalgic, like they miss that times, or maybe they think their hardware is too old for a newer Puppy.L18L wrote: Why not use the new Puppies built with woof2 ?
... and improve them if there should be anything wrong in them ?
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Re: momanager
... and English only is part of that nostalgicvicmz wrote:...Maybe some people feel nostalgic...
They all should try shinobar's waryq...
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Check the POT-Creation-Datedon570 wrote:My wish list ---
A warning about old .pot files
If the script has been changed momanager uses the old
pot file and becomes confused. I've had more problems with
old pot files than anything else.
_________________________________
momanager is always trying to create an actual pot file for scripts,
except in case when a pot file or a po file is found.
Look for example at
"POT-Creation-Date: 2011-08-27 16:07+0100\n"
is it from today?
No?
So it is old and you should delete .pot and .po
... and momanager will
- create an actual pot file
- merge your existing translations
You have to check
- empty msgstr
- Fuzzy marked translations
- delete unneeded #
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Re: fast momanager
Could you publish this list please?Bert wrote:I have a secret momanager wish list
Bert wrote:PATH is probably only useful for people like me, still learning where things are in Puppy?
Where is what in puppy? (How I do it)
You know the text in the menu only. ex: Pcur
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# which Pcur
#
So you will grep the menu:
Code: Select all
# grep Pcur .jwmrc
<Program label="Pcur Mauszeiger-Auswahl" icon="default_left_ptr.png">pcur</Program>
<Program label="PcurlFtp Datei sharing" icon="pc-2x.xpm">rox -d /root/File-Sharing</Program>
...now command which will show you where it is:
Code: Select all
# which pcur
/usr/sbin/pcur
#
I understand. Just the base name at the beginning would make it easiest possible for you (and me). But that would have to result in too big changes from Barry's momanager. I want the changes in the code being very simple, and just sorting is simple.Bert wrote:Otherwise, would it be helpful to do:
alphabetic
case insensitive
basename, then PATH
Yes it is on top because everything other than this would slow it down again.Bert wrote:Would the latest edited file be still on top in this new setup? Or is that then redundant, given the ease with which to find a file?
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what is new in attached momanager-20130602 ?
scripts are sorted
binaries are sorted
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Re: momanager
That looks like one of the many L18L-posts that should be stickiedL18L wrote:Check the POT-Creation-Datedon570 wrote:My wish list ---
A warning about old .pot files
If the script has been changed momanager uses the old
pot file and becomes confused. I've had more problems with
old pot files than anything else.
_________________________________
momanager is always trying to create an actual pot file for scripts,
except in case when a pot file or a po file is found.
Look for example at
"POT-Creation-Date: 2011-08-27 16:07+0100\n"
is it from today?
No?
So it is old and you should delete .pot and .po
... and momanager will
- create an actual pot file
- merge your existing translations
Delete from? /usr/share/doc/nls only?is it from today?
No?
So it is old and you should delete .pot and .po
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Re: fast momanager
Well it's a short wish list really:L18L wrote:Could you publish this list please?Bert wrote:I have a secret momanager wish list
1. a search/find function, you know the luxurious type: just type 'pc' and up come all the entries for 'pcur'.
2. A 'Preferences' button ( or 'Settings' button) for Momanager:
* whenever I start a new translation, there's the MoManager intro-window, which I have to OK. Not really needed. So in 'Preferences' I tick 'No thanks, I've read it a hundred times'
* whenever I start a new translation, I am asked to choose between 'nl' and 'nl.NL'. I would like to teach MoManager I only use e.g. 'nl'. So this could be in the MoManager 'Preferences' as a predefined choice, not asked again at every new start of a translation.
* whenever I start a new translation, MoManager wants to know if I'm root@localhost ...I'm Bert and I typed in my email address so many times, I will never be able to forget it. So, in 'Preferences' there's a field to enter your email address once and for all.
L18L wrote:Bert wrote:PATH is probably only useful for people like me, still learning where things are in Puppy?
Where is what in puppy? (How I do it)
You know the text in the menu only. ex: Pcurreturned nothing because there is no executable Pcur.Code: Select all
# which Pcur #
So you will grep the menu:from which you pick the program pcur.Code: Select all
# grep Pcur .jwmrc <Program label="Pcur Mauszeiger-Auswahl" icon="default_left_ptr.png">pcur</Program> <Program label="PcurlFtp Datei sharing" icon="pc-2x.xpm">rox -d /root/File-Sharing</Program>
...now command which will show you where it is:That's itCode: Select all
# which pcur /usr/sbin/pcur #
Thanks for this new voodoo lesson
When I type ' which Pcur' in terminal, I get:
Code: Select all
/usr/sbin/pcur
Wouldn't it make sense to fork Fast MoManager for a while? That would allow you to freely explore new territory.L18L wrote:I understand. Just the base name at the beginning would make it easiest possible for you (and me). But that would have to result in too big changes from Barry's momanager. I want the changes in the code being very simple, and just sorting is simple.Bert wrote:Otherwise, would it be helpful to do:
alphabetic
case insensitive
basename, then PATH
Your original sorting idea is too good to get compromised by the need to keep compatibility with our grand master BK.
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