As the subject suggests there is an absence of reguar mods at the moment which can occasionally be a problem.
One problem is anti puppy lurkers who sit there and pounce out at true users , wind them up then hide behind freenode mods....having our own mods would prevent this.
On a general note the channel is providing decent help most of the time and is normally civilised (and a lot friendlier than the rest of freenode as commented on by visitors)
Any suggestions invited.....
mike
Puppylinux chat seems to lack moderators
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hi mike Go for it if you like that sort of thing, when I first started using puppy many moons ago I wanted to be a mod on the chat but after a few months helping everyone I found that the murga forum is a better place so I walked away, I do think that chat node should be shut down, this has been going on for years and its a shame that we never had chat installed on this forum, John did say he was going to try to bring it to life on here about 6 month+ ago but still nothing that i've seen. Would be nice to ban people on that chat like the Ubuntu one does, lol I got banned on the Ubuntu chat because I kept trolling, lol They really hate it when you ask help for other distros that aren't Ubuntu, like puppy or redhat etc, lol It was fun and I figured I would never need their help 
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Hmm well generally the chat has been a good place but a mite unprotected.
A chat that requires forum credentials is indeed the most sensible option as this would make it much more puppy centered.
We have a chat with our forum that simply limits access to those logged in so avoiding trolling from outside. Any problems and overall membership is removed....I notice here now has admin approval for new members which is a sensible precaution and no deterrent for those with a genuine interest and this level of security should encompass all means of communication.
My discomfort is as much to do with freenode as well as random idiots so detaching from them would be a positive move....perhaps this idea needs re-awakening.
mike
A chat that requires forum credentials is indeed the most sensible option as this would make it much more puppy centered.
We have a chat with our forum that simply limits access to those logged in so avoiding trolling from outside. Any problems and overall membership is removed....I notice here now has admin approval for new members which is a sensible precaution and no deterrent for those with a genuine interest and this level of security should encompass all means of communication.
My discomfort is as much to do with freenode as well as random idiots so detaching from them would be a positive move....perhaps this idea needs re-awakening.
mike
Hopefully I am wrong but the chat is owned by people that would not allow any of us to be Mod there because them want it to be as it is.
Am I wrong? As I remember it has been like that for years and none of the Mods here are allowed to take over.
Am I wrong? As I remember it has been like that for years and none of the Mods here are allowed to take over.
I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
not an ideal solution though
not an ideal solution though
Basically as I see it, as long as there are a handful of puppy devotees keeping an eye on the chatroom 'as is' then it can remain contructive and friendly....indeed it has improved because this has been the case.
My concern is that there has been a recent lack of 'our' mods and that without such watchful eyes it will become susceptable to the wrong influences as it has done in the past....prevention is better than cure.
Obviously peoples lives change so some fresh blood is needed and enough to cover a 24/7 support chat.
I assume volenteers need to be registered freenode users ...beyond that I am unsure of the procedure...perhaps someone else could throw some light on that.
mike
My concern is that there has been a recent lack of 'our' mods and that without such watchful eyes it will become susceptable to the wrong influences as it has done in the past....prevention is better than cure.
Obviously peoples lives change so some fresh blood is needed and enough to cover a 24/7 support chat.
I assume volenteers need to be registered freenode users ...beyond that I am unsure of the procedure...perhaps someone else could throw some light on that.
mike
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Hi mike I think it goes by who originally made the chat name up, but I think dejan555 is a mod so you might ask him, you can pm him by clicking this link http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/privms ... st&u=14124
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http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)
oh thats sensible so therefore I will......Hi mike I think it goes by who originally made the chat name up, but I think dejan555 is a mod so you might ask him, you can pm him by clicking this link http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/privms ... st&u=14124
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mike
edit...done
Hello
Yes I'm still one of the mods @ #puppylinux
Here is current op listing from #puppylinux you can see that J_Rey and T260G have the highest priviledges and only they can give op status to someone
Yes I'm still one of the mods @ #puppylinux
The way I see it recently there haven't been any major trolls on chat but I really was more absent. I'll try to be there more often.Hmm well generally the chat has been a good place but a mite unprotected.
Hmmm, well I did get that feeling from some ops but not all of them, J_Rey was always OK and he is one of original ops I believe.Hopefully I am wrong but the chat is owned by people that would not allow any of us to be Mod there because them want it to be as it is.
Here is current op listing from #puppylinux you can see that J_Rey and T260G have the highest priviledges and only they can give op status to someone
[23:19] ChanServ access #puppylinux list
[23:19] ChanServ Entry Nickname/Host Flags
[23:19] ChanServ ----- ---------------------- -----
[23:19] ChanServ 1 T260G +vVoOtsriRfAF [modified 1 year, 19 weeks, 2 days, 14:36:38 ago]
[23:19] ChanServ 2 J_Rey +votsriRfAF [modified 1 year, 1 week, 3 days, 23:26:11 ago]
[23:19] ChanServ 3 *!*@freenode/staff/* +votriA [modified 1 year, 1 week, 3 days, 23:34:15 ago]
[23:19] ChanServ 4 DaySleeper555 +votriA [modified 1 year, 1 week, 3 days, 23:30:20 ago]
[23:19] ChanServ 5 paulhomebus +votriA [modified 1 year, 1 week, 3 days, 23:36:46 ago]
[23:19] ChanServ 6 BigMike“ +votriA [modified 41 weeks, 2 days, 22:40:09 ago]
[23:19] ChanServ 7 tlchost +votriA [modified 17 hours, 37 minutes, 34 seconds ago]
[23:19] ChanServ ----- ---------------------- -----
[23:19] ChanServ End of #puppylinux FLAGS listing.
I don't think you have to be expert either, rude behaviour is rude, technical side of puppy doesn't have anything to do with it.I really don't think one needs to be a puppy expert to be a Channel Operator on #puppylinux.
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http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)
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http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)
Wailing away with the Ban Hammer isn't opping on IRC - especially Freenode. Before you start pestering T260G or J_Rey for +o, you should have some idea what +o is. You should also have some idea what the different flag settings are.
The old school silent rule on IRC was to never ask for ChanOp status. Asking for ops was a sure fire way to guarantee you'd never be an op.
If you want to learn more about the Freenode network and how they strongly suggest channels be mananged, read Freenode and IRC; Catalysts; and Channel Guidelines - all under Philosophy.
If you're not into philosophy, forget about being a ChanOp. Non-philosophical channel ops are simply bots, and require no feeding.
The old school silent rule on IRC was to never ask for ChanOp status. Asking for ops was a sure fire way to guarantee you'd never be an op.
If you want to learn more about the Freenode network and how they strongly suggest channels be mananged, read Freenode and IRC; Catalysts; and Channel Guidelines - all under Philosophy.
If you're not into philosophy, forget about being a ChanOp. Non-philosophical channel ops are simply bots, and require no feeding.
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Re: so what
And the 5 Freenode staff who have taken up permanent residence in there don't bother you?piteapup wrote:if #puppylinux wants to be like #buntu fine...
who needs mods? its self regulating-dont need world police in chat.
some ppl have a odd idea of power trips.
so ban me-i wont stop useing puppy-
yours upera.
And you don't find the fact they're there and have been there for over a year...a bit bizarre?
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I've been a regular user down at #puppylinux for the past 4 or 5 months and mostly all I've seen is good manners.
Today a guy came in asking who had booted upera. Boy, was he asking for trouble (I've got a copy of his posting in there).
The guy was basically being rude to everybody and he was saying he was going to join alienjeff and the sort (who knows what he meant by that).
tcl had no option but to kick his arse out of there.
Now, I don't care if tcl had been an OP for 3 years or for 3 minutes.
All I care is that tcl got the job done: he had no option.
Why would someone want to know for how long had tcl been an OP at #puppylinux? To what purpose?
Do I care if tcl is in Freenode's staff or if he is only in Puppy's staff? Hell no.
Do I care if tcl is an expert in Puppy issues? Couldn't care less.
tcl showed that he can be an OP anywhere in any channel because he can fairly judge what he reads and he surely doesn't need to be a philosopher!
Speaking of philosophy, let's not make a storm out of a glass of water, shall we?
Just my 2 cents.
Today a guy came in asking who had booted upera. Boy, was he asking for trouble (I've got a copy of his posting in there).
The guy was basically being rude to everybody and he was saying he was going to join alienjeff and the sort (who knows what he meant by that).
tcl had no option but to kick his arse out of there.
Now, I don't care if tcl had been an OP for 3 years or for 3 minutes.
All I care is that tcl got the job done: he had no option.
Why would someone want to know for how long had tcl been an OP at #puppylinux? To what purpose?
Do I care if tcl is in Freenode's staff or if he is only in Puppy's staff? Hell no.
Do I care if tcl is an expert in Puppy issues? Couldn't care less.
tcl showed that he can be an OP anywhere in any channel because he can fairly judge what he reads and he surely doesn't need to be a philosopher!
Speaking of philosophy, let's not make a storm out of a glass of water, shall we?
Just my 2 cents.
Ok I guess I need to answer some recent comments......
I often visit both the forum and the chatroom as a source of information and interest as a user of puppy but prefer not to normally interact unless particularly moved to do so. That in itself does not really class me as a candidate for becoming a mod. Indeed as suggested mods should be chosen/asked rather than volunteering themselves as suggested (perhaps politics should follow the same philosophy).
From my observations had one of 'our' mods been present then in the particular case that prompted this thread upera would not have been banned.....something that should be reserved for random spammers and such and not regular, helpful and popular chatroom visitors.
Its not that freenode mods are 'evil' but
1....they would not have observed the incident from the beginning as they were called in halfway through.
2...it would have been handled in a more personal way...they do not know who is who.
Passions do sometimes get fired up in there but normally those concerned deal with it or perhaps log off to cool down....self regulating indeed.
My call for extra mods is to avoid external control of internal disputes and banning of regulars simply causes bad feeling...we don't need this.
It, as also mentioned, meant 3 (extra?) freenode mods sitting on the side last night which does make people uncomfortable. (strangers in uniform?)
I hope upera feels he can return soon as I for one would miss his humour.
Some moderation will always be needed with public places as the world does have its unpleasant characters and the internet is one of the last domains they inhabit...pun unintended.
To quote ... I want to avoid sailing into a storm by bringing matters to general attention and that discussion and hopefully constuctive action can take place...... I am no fan of flaming wars either. I probably stepped on a few toes myself here which is the usual consequence of emotional actions.
Anyway now that you the reader have fallen asleep I shall end there
regards
Mike
I often visit both the forum and the chatroom as a source of information and interest as a user of puppy but prefer not to normally interact unless particularly moved to do so. That in itself does not really class me as a candidate for becoming a mod. Indeed as suggested mods should be chosen/asked rather than volunteering themselves as suggested (perhaps politics should follow the same philosophy).
From my observations had one of 'our' mods been present then in the particular case that prompted this thread upera would not have been banned.....something that should be reserved for random spammers and such and not regular, helpful and popular chatroom visitors.
Its not that freenode mods are 'evil' but
1....they would not have observed the incident from the beginning as they were called in halfway through.
2...it would have been handled in a more personal way...they do not know who is who.
Passions do sometimes get fired up in there but normally those concerned deal with it or perhaps log off to cool down....self regulating indeed.
My call for extra mods is to avoid external control of internal disputes and banning of regulars simply causes bad feeling...we don't need this.
It, as also mentioned, meant 3 (extra?) freenode mods sitting on the side last night which does make people uncomfortable. (strangers in uniform?)
I hope upera feels he can return soon as I for one would miss his humour.
Some moderation will always be needed with public places as the world does have its unpleasant characters and the internet is one of the last domains they inhabit...pun unintended.
To quote ... I want to avoid sailing into a storm by bringing matters to general attention and that discussion and hopefully constuctive action can take place...... I am no fan of flaming wars either. I probably stepped on a few toes myself here which is the usual consequence of emotional actions.
Anyway now that you the reader have fallen asleep I shall end there
regards
Mike