Puppy Studio

[darkcity]

1. What is the best version of Puppy to record sound now that Puppy Studio isn't being actively developed?

2. Which derivatives use the RealTime kernel and does this really make a difference to the recording performance?

[artifus]

1. that would depend on what hardware you intended to run that puppy on, what sound you wished to record (electronic/software generated and/or acoustic via microphone), to what quality you wished to record that audio at (sample rate/bit depth), how you wished to record/monitor said audio i/o (hardware/software, live multitrack and/or overdub and/or midi input/output/composition) and with what audio hardware and computer software.

2. i am unaware of any current rt pups but may be wrong, maybe check the cutting edge sub forum for news of development, and as far as i know it will only really affect real time software audio monitoring performance/latency which will be dependant on your computer hardware.

the greatest difficulty appears to be hardware/driver compatability and the usual advice if building a linux daw is to research the hardware first before buying anything to make sure it is supported by your chosen os.

http://www.wiki.linuxmusicians.com/doku.php

http://www.linux-sound.org/hardware.html

http://www.linuxmusicians.com/

http://www.linux-sound.org/

[geo_c]

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Art Dual Pre USB
Lexicon Omega USB
Alesis iO2 USB
and
Gina 20bit PCI Card

all show up in Jack and run in Puppy Studio 3.3rt

and realtime kernels can make a difference
especially for multitrack audio.

for certain
Puppy Studio 3.3 vanilla without a realtime kernel barely runs
compared to what Puppy Studio 3.3rt can do.

with a realtime kernel
you can run Hydrogen drum machine audio out
into Ardour, Reaper, or other multi-track software
send the output into Jamin' mastering software
and all while syncing midi files in Rosegarden and pumping
the audio through Rackarrack effects and back into the multi-track software

essentially mixing and mastering multi-track, midi-synced audio on the fly.

I've done this exact thing with an Athlon X-2 dual core 2ghz Toshiba laptop.

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[Guy]

If you run jack or qjackctl on a stock kernel make sure to enable the realtime option. I found myself (to my surprise) getting better results with this option in stock puppy even though the kernel is not an rt one & then found this at the jack website:

http://www.jackaudio.org/realtime_vs_realtime_kernel

apparently a lot of rt scheduling stuff is in the mainline kernel now.

I tend to use my rig mainly as a modest recording studio & stock puppy seems to work fine with the right apps installed. If you want a lot of processing on the inputs or need to sync a lot of outboard gear the stock kernel might not be enough.

[darkcity]

Hi,

Thanks for the replys. I'm going to do some experimenting to see what works best.

One of the things I found annoying about Studio 3.3 is that it doesn't seem to let you choose where to store the puppy Save File or where to load it from.

[artifus]

if your machine starts struggling and running out of juice due to some cpu intensive processing you could always do what you have to do when working with analogue tape and find yourself running out of tracks and bounce. render a wav to disc to free up some processing power and carry on.

One of the things I found annoying about Studio 3.3 is that it doesn't seem to let you choose where to store the puppy Save File or where to load it from.

it should offer you the option at shut down after first boot. try booting up in to ram mode to create another.

[killbot]

hey guys I've been having a hard time installing reaper in opensuse 11.4 , ubuntu studio 11.4 and the latest version of lucid puppy. I started with opensuse because it was wifi ready out of the box, but I had 64 bit installed so I scrapped that.

Next I tried the latest version of Lucid. I got it up and going, loaded addictive drums, had sound and everything. I shut it down and the next day when I fired it up the vst wouldn't load. (I think I loaded the .exe with wine off an external hard drive and when I fired it back up it couldn't locate the sound font files even when I plugged the external back in). I reformatted the 8gig usb drive and did a fresh install, once I got to copying the wineasio file and register 32 wineasio.dll it just said could not locate the wineasio.dll. I don't know whats up with that I did everything the same I thought, maybe wineasio 1.1.7 instead of 0.07 or whatever.

I tried linreaper on 32bit ubuntu studio and it loaded, but with no playback sound and it keeps crashing now when I try to load the asio in preferences. It ran like a champ in older versions of Ubuntu and Mint, but they don't have a network manager and I can't connect to the freakin web without it.

I stumbled across this when I was figuring out how to install reaper on puppy from scratch. I just downloaded 3.3 vanilla from the first page of this thread, but now at the end it said the 3.3 real time was better, anyone got an iso for that one by any chance I figured I'd try it out and see what happens, thanks.

Oh ya, almost forgot some guidance if anyone has written some instructions or tutorials

One last thing I bought a 1TB external hard drive since puppy runs in RAM and save file in the home folder of ubuntu or whatever you might be running, how do you the external drive to read write? I tried clicking and checking off the permissions but it wouldn't let me save files to it, audio files take up a lot of space so I was going to run off an 8gig usb stick and save files to the external drive as i created them.

Looks like everyone is pissed off on this thread, but I come in peace and in the name of productivity, any help would be appreciated, if your going to break my balls then don't bother I'll just go buy a mac lol.

[cthisbear]

You come in peace and we leave you in pieces eh?

" if your going to break my balls then don't bother I'll just go buy a mac."

Relax mate...and welcome to Puppy.

""""""""""

liberator007 ::: PuppyStudio3.3-rt.iso

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22650016/PuppyStudio3.3-rt.iso

in his post

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 0&start=45

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Other earlier versions.

http://brainwavedesigncentral.net/mike/ ... order=desc


http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/O ... 8784.shtml

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Enjoy....Chris.

[killbot]

thanks yogie

[darkcity]

I've asked this question before, now l0wt3ch has left the community what is the best maintained puppy for sound/multimedia?

Also is it possible for someone to take over maintaining Studio 3.3?

; -)

[bossesand]

http://www.bandshed.net/AVLinux.html
It's not a puppy but you can try it out as a liveDVD.
It has a realtime kernel and is well maintained.
If yhou decide to use it please donate

I like that distribution and us it among others.
- B

[Guy]

I like AVLinux, but if you want that puppy lightness, just install the audio apps you need on a stock puppy & make a save file or (as I prefer) remaster. You can get rt on a stock kernel now - certainly enough for what I need.

[nooby]

bossesand wrote

It has a realtime kernel

Guy answer

You can get rt on a stock kernel now

Is that something you two can expand on.

Suppose I want to use the standard Lupu 5.2.5 how do I get real time kernel going so I get the same capability that Puppy Studio have?

[Guy]

Suppose I want to use the standard Lupu 5.2.5 how do I get real time kernel going so I get the same capability that Puppy Studio have?

I did put this earlier in the thread but I do not know how to link to it, so sorry for repeating:

apparently a lot of rt scheduling stuff is in the mainline kernel now:

http://www.jackaudio.org/realtime_vs_realtime_kernel

I think a full rt kernel is still better for some, but for many of us (myself included) the stock kernel is enough: I can now run jack in real time mode on it. I gather even more rt stuff is going into the 3.0 kernel.

I do not use lots of external midi gear. perhaps someone who does that could try and report back.

There are a lot of people on this forum interested in puppy & music - if any mods read this, how about a musicians slot in the forums?

[nooby]

Then I understand what you talk about even if I am not on that level that I can apply your knowledge.

Re a department I have to refer to John deMurga and Flash for such things.

We still have this thread that can get us together. Not that I am a musician but I love to make musical sounds using midi keyboards and Akai EWI and such midi controllers.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=64973

Puppyians Musicians

[darkcity]

@bossesand

thanks for the link, looks interesting.

Do you think it would be possible to use the customised kernel for a puppy version?

what is AVlinux based on?

[Guy]

AVlinux is debian based, which is not as off topic on a puppy forum as might seem. You could try and use their debian packages with Lucid Puppy as Lucid is debian based

http://www.bandshed.net/custom/

Certainly in AVlinux 4.2 the kernel was high performance (Liquorix) rather than rt, I am not sure about 5.0.

[darkcity]

Worth investigating ; -)

[Guy]

Worth investigating ; -)

I was using AVlinux but have gradually come round to preferring Puppy. It is more easy to customise and you can configure it to have just what you want.