What shall I work on first for the next CE release?

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panzerpuppy · #61 Post by **panzerpuppy** » Fri 02 Oct 2009, 16:57

* Xorg 7.5 + Xserver 1.7 ?
* kernel 2.6.31.2 ?
* ALSA 1.0.21a?
* Windows installer for Puppy integrated into the ISO (Install Puppy frugally from Windows XP/ Vista/ 7 and use the windows boot menu)

* EXT4 formatted pupsave files !
* Network traffic (upload / download) meter+monitor

darwinev0lved · #62 Post by **darwinev0lved** » Fri 02 Oct 2009, 17:20

I'd like to suggest more automation for connecting to the internet wirelessly. The connection wizard is brilliant but once you've picked a network and in-putted your password Puppy should be able to always connect to that network without having to run the network wizard again. As Gnome does, as Windows does ... And while we're on the subject of the internet - can I throw in a user's vote for only taking out Seamonkey if you're putting Firefox in its place.

Regards, Jon.

aarf · #63 Post by **aarf** » Fri 02 Oct 2009, 18:20

inclusion of optional auto shut down or audible alarm on low battery. i blackout daily.

aarf · #64 Post by **aarf** » Fri 02 Oct 2009, 18:32

darwinev0lved wrote:I'd like to suggest more automation for connecting to the internet wirelessly. The connection wizard is brilliant but once you've picked a network and in-putted your password Puppy should be able to always connect to that network without having to run the network wizard again. As Gnome does, as Windows does ... And while we're on the subject of the internet - can I throw in a user's vote for only taking out Seamonkey if you're putting Firefox in its place.

Regards, Jon.

it is not that it wont/doesnt automatically wirelessly connect, it is that it doesn't do it as logically expected or wordily promised .
and so yes it does need fixing.
save the configuration immediately after scanning and it will autoconnect to the right signal on startup. at least it happens that way with the open networks i use.

#65 Post by **Pizzasgood** » Fri 02 Oct 2009, 18:43

aarf wrote:
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say, the <Insert> key bug
where is there a need to use the insert key? the only time i ever use it is when pasteing into rxvt and there is no problem to do that. if you want to insert into a browser input field just click where you want to be and start inserting things. perhaps that is why no effort is spent to fix the bug.

It's placed near the delete key on most keyboards that I've seen. So occasionally somebody reaches over, misses, and crashes their browser.

We found a workaround for that about a year ago, and it was implemented in 4.2.x. Barry noted the fix on his blog just recently.

The reason a number of bugs that were previously fixed have reappeared is because, as I noted earlier, 4.3 was based on 4.1.x, not 4.2.x. So a number of the fixes and improvements from 4.2.x are not included. So people should be alert for bugs that they had written off as fixed since 4.2.x which may have reappeared...

technosaurus · #66 Post by **technosaurus** » Fri 02 Oct 2009, 20:19

Re: wireless - does someone know of a script that can be run as a daemon to check/reestablish the network every X seconds. This is one area I have never delved into because it was faster for me to just leave pwireless running and click connect again. I have seen a similar script before (on one of those bash tutorial pages I think, but maybe in another distro)

Insert key - has anyone confirmed that this bug exists with the updated gtk that is required anyways for then new gnumeric? I didn't compile it with debug and I am try to use the same updated version number as ttuuxxx so that we can be more compatible from version to version. (2.18.X is too untested anyways and slightly more bloated)

technosaurus · #67 Post by **technosaurus** » Fri 02 Oct 2009, 20:21

aarf wrote:i blackout daily.

Putting the term "free as in beer" to the test?

#68 Post by **Pizzasgood** » Fri 02 Oct 2009, 22:27

Actually, I don't think the debug option is necessarily needed. When I recompiled it for 4.2.x I found that just recompiling it fixed the problem. Which was odd because in 4.1 when I was first experimenting, I don't think that was sufficient. So I think maybe I used slightly different configuration choices or something, or maybe it was a differing amount of stripping.

*waits for the chuckles to quiet down*

It would be nice if whoever compiles it remembers the --with-xinput option (or was it --enable-xinput?) so that people with Wacom tablets don't have to reinstall GTK to use them. IIRC it doesn't really impact the size.

technosaurus · #69 Post by **technosaurus** » Fri 02 Oct 2009, 22:57

I have confirmed that using the gtk-2.16.6 in the /444 directory fixes the insert bug. I will look in my sources to check if xinput was enabled - if not I will recompile it.

technosaurus · #70 Post by **technosaurus** » Fri 02 Oct 2009, 23:17

This is what my config.log shows
XINPUT_XFREE_FALSE=''
XINPUT_XFREE_TRUE='#'
....
#define XINPUT_NONE 1

so I will need to recompile that, with all things explicitly enabled or disabled - any other requests related to the gtk configs?

#71 Post by **Pizzasgood** » Sat 03 Oct 2009, 00:31

That's it for me. Out of curiosity, which version of GTK are we going to be using?

EDIT: Oh, I see. 2.16.6. Cool. 2.15 or so introduced a feature I want to use with RetroVol, so that's good. I'll have to make it a configure option or something though, so it will still work with older GTK versions.

BarryK · #72 Post by **BarryK** » Sat 03 Oct 2009, 02:12

technosaurus wrote:I have confirmed that using the gtk-2.16.6 in the /444 directory fixes the insert bug. I will look in my sources to check if xinput was enabled - if not I will recompile it.

I tried gtk 2.16.6 (without debug), still had the crash.

Compile without debug, create PET pkgs, then do another compile with '--enable-debug=minimum', that is:

# ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var --build=i486-pc-linux-gnu --with-xinput=yes --enable-debug=minimum

...then just grab the libdgk-x11-2.0.so* file and place that into the earlier GTK PET package that you had created with debug off.

capoverde · #73 Post by **capoverde** » Sat 03 Oct 2009, 08:43

aarf wrote: ...where is there a need to use the insert key?

Pizzasgood wrote: It's placed near the delete key on most keyboards...

Thanks PG, that's it - I actually never use the <Insert> key on purpose myself, but I often test hardware: two days ago I took an old keyboard for a test run -- its keys are placed just a little differently as on my regular one. While posting to the forum I repeatedly missed the <Del> key, hitting <Insert> instead. SeaMonkey crashed and I had to log in to the forum again every time...

Luckily I'm on ADSL, but just think what it means if one is on dialup.

aarf · #74 Post by **aarf** » Sat 03 Oct 2009, 10:02

technosaurus wrote:
aarf wrote:i blackout daily.
Putting the term "free as in beer" to the test?

i am not familiar with the term and will leave the testing to you.

good thing to report is that no damage has occurred to the pupsave after consequent repeated dead battery abrupt crashes, not sure if that is because of using pfix=fsck as grub boot parameter, and also because i see no evidence of fsck occurring in the start up dialog.,

mistfire · #75 Post by **mistfire** » Mon 05 Oct 2009, 02:37

could you please include SFS installer and src2pet in puppy for easy installation of SFS modules and build a pet from tarballs?

Lobster · #76 Post by **Lobster** » Fri 09 Oct 2009, 07:48

This makes some points about speeding Linux booting
Most have been implemented?
http://l.pr/a44wk/

aragon · #77 Post by **aragon** » Mon 12 Oct 2009, 08:23

hi technosaurus,

one thing that would be great to have is a central proxy-setup-gui (maybe as part of the network-wizard).

working with puppy behind a proxy is a little tedious. for every network-task you do, you have to manually setup the proxy.

- if you surf the web, setup the browser for your proxy
- if you install a package, setup wget for your proxy (if you know that wget is the downloader for te installer)
- if you want to look at a manpage, setup another browser...
- if you want to hear online-music....
- ...

most of the apps do read variables like http_proxy, ftp_proxy, ... so this should be possible (at least for a large number of apps)

I think this would increase the 'skills' of puppy as a portable os.

aragon

Jim1911 · #78 Post by **Jim1911** » Mon 12 Oct 2009, 14:36

Since the problems concerning ext4 partitions have been solved.

Considering adding code to the shutdown dialogue that would detect the type partition (ext2, ext3, ext4) that the frugal installation is on and create a corresponding pupsave.2fs, 3fs, or 4fs. Alternatively, let the user make a choice of pupsave files on the first shutdown.

Thanks,
Jim

technosaurus · #79 Post by **technosaurus** » Tue 13 Oct 2009, 15:56

@aragon - I don't have much experience with Proxy setup. Any recommendations out there? Can it be done with just a bash script with corresponding gtkdialog gui?

@Jim - I have been operating in pfix=ram mode for a while and recall that we used to have that option with ext2 and ext3 the last time I used a save file, so it should be a basic cut and paste job once I track down the script(s). I'll have a look tonight.

aragon · #80 Post by **aragon** » Tue 13 Oct 2009, 18:52

@technosaurus
yes in my opinion it should be 'simple'. in short we need a gui to setup some global variables, an rc-file for the variables e.g. /root/.proxyrc) and a 'point' in startup (/etc/profile ?), where we read them to set them global.

a second question would be if this is possible without restart.

a last question is more about security. some proxies need username/password. we can also set variables for them but could we save and use them in a secure way?

i will test and have some google searches to look which variables are needed.

aragon

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What shall I work on first for the next CE release?

What shall I work on first?

<Insert> key bug

Please include SFS installer and src2pet