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Dry Falls

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PostPosted: Sun 07 Feb 2016, 11:48    Post subject:  

gcmartin wrote:
Opps! @Dry Falls, I am getting a CUPS request for username and password. Not sure when this changed.

Not an oops. cups runs as spot. The installed version is cups-1.5.4-x86_64-3. I wasn't able to get the 14.1 upgrade version (cups-1.5.4-x86_64-4) to work as well. On the other hand, running JL64 with slackware64-current packages under k.4.4 (my 'current' project), the cups (cups-2.1.2-x86_64-1) as well as system-config-printer seem to find the printer at boot up. You only need to call them up to make configuration changes. I think all the drivers one might need are included in the database.

GcMartin: so can I assume you've been able to use printing over a network?
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PostPosted: Fri 12 Feb 2016, 07:47    Post subject:  

Hi !

Is there an easy way to turn this pupplet into a regular puppy ?
I mean, with a normal save fiile on USB stick , and normal HDD install possibilities.

My notebook AKOYA MEDION AMD 64 does not have an optical disc drive, and this is the best 64 bit version of puppy ATM, so I would like to use it.

Could I just swap the shutdown script with that of a regular puppy ?

And if so, how do I do it ?

Thank you in advance for reply.

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PostPosted: Fri 12 Feb 2016, 20:18    Post subject:  

eztuxer wrote:
Is there an easy way to turn this pupplet into a regular puppy ?
I mean, with a normal save fiile on USB stick , and normal HDD install possibilities.

A more woofCE universal installer is called by the install icon on the desktop. Lighthouse UI is found in menu -> setup. There's also bootflash (same place). JL64 also has unetbootin there.

Full install was never recomended, but pupmode=7 is pretty close. That would be a simple manual frugal install, Drag the vmlinuz, initrd.xz and base-file to the top of the partition/drive and choose 'save to partition' at reboot. You may want to play with the settings in your boot menu. Never thought of switching rc.shutdown in /etc/rc.d. Interesting idea, but that might screw things up considering the complex ecology of this distro.
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PostPosted: Sun 14 Feb 2016, 12:21    Post subject:  

Hi, Thanks Dry Falls,

Tried a frugal install in a FAT32 partition.

Successfully created the JL64604frugal dir.

No way to install grub4dos (UEFI).

How do I boot it ? Embarassed

edit: this is my first frugal install EVER Shocked

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PostPosted: Sun 14 Feb 2016, 18:48    Post subject:  

Hi eztuxer. I'd recommend using a linux partition, but that should work. If it's a windows box, only use windows to make the partition, or you could break your boot sector. Do you have a boot menu which comes up other than the windows boot manager? If not, I'd get rufus or something to try a usb stick installation first. I guess what I'm saying is we need a bit more information in order to help you out. Things were a lot easier with grub4dos, that's for sure.

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PostPosted: Mon 15 Feb 2016, 09:22    Post subject:  

Good day,

I can install it on an EXT4 partiton.
So far I have no problem installing on a USB 8Gb stick, I am using it JLH64 daily.
If only I could have it to write a JLH64.savefile on the stick, or on the HDD.
I also have fat dog 64 on another EXT4 partitiion, it is bootable from the refind "window$" boot menu,
YES this Medion AKOYA AMD A4 note book came with windblows 8.1 junkware installed and and got replaced by Linux Mint a few days later.
Is there a soft that emulates a DVD writer with a USB stick ?
We will find a work around.

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PostPosted: Mon 15 Feb 2016, 22:18    Post subject:  

Ok, no problem. I think what you mean is an entry in the "refind "window$" boot menu" which is either grub.cfg, isolinux.cfg or syslinux.cfg. Unlike older grub installs which write to menu1st or BarryK's swell install system, you have to make the entry manually. look at the grub.cfg or isolinux.cfg on the iso and select the lines (or edit them) you would want to use and copy them to the file you boot from (in drive ESP, likely). I think the language in isolinux.cfg and syslinux.cfg is the same but grub is way different.

You can make a refind/EFI partition on the usb stick with lighthouse Universal Installer in menu -> setup and click UEFI. This fakes the machine into thinking it is an optical drive and if your boot order in the firmware configuration (aka 'bios') is set to boot peripherals first, that boot menu will come up instead of the usual one. The only problem is that it is read-only so you can't make changes to the boot menu which last beyond the session. You can, however, make a new menu and remaster lighthouse for a different iso.

Anyway, I've had no problems making save files to the hdd or usb stick with JL64. It should behave like any puppy in that regard.

If any of that makes sense! Others I'm sure could say it better. When I got this box, it took me three months to boot fatdog 631, and that's about the easiest 64bit pup-like system to get started on!

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PostPosted: Fri 19 Feb 2016, 09:32    Post subject:  

Some files I found :

/media/sda2/EFI/ubuntu/grub.conf

Code:

search.fs_uuid 85f41687-869a-462f-a6ad-3ece6af0d77b root hd0,gpt6
set prefix=($root)'/boot/grub'
configfile $prefix/grub.cfg


/media/sda2/EFI/boot/bootx64.efi

Code:

/media/sda2/EFI/ubuntu/grub.conf
search.fs_uuid 85f41687-869a-462f-a6ad-3ece6af0d77b root hd0,gpt6
set prefix=($root)'/boot/grub'
configfile $prefix/grub.cfg


etc/rc.d

Code:

EXTRASFSLIST='5-JL64_604.sfs Devx-JL64_604.sfs Xfce-4.10.0-1-x86_64-1.sfs kcompile-JL64-1.0.sfs kernel_sources-4.1.6-JL-x86_64.sfs'
PREVUNIONRECORD='JL64-604.sfs'
LASTUNIONRECORD='JL64-604.sfs 5-JL64_604.sfs Devx-JL64_604.sfs Xfce-4.10.0-1-x86_64-1.sfs kcompile-JL64-1.0.sfs kernel_sources-4.1.6-JL-x86_64.sfs'
COPYEXTRASFS2RAM='yes'
SFSAUTO=''
SFSCFG=''
NOSFS=''


I will have more time this evening and week-end...

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PostPosted: Sat 20 Feb 2016, 17:05    Post subject:  

...and now this on /media/sda1 (ntfs) :

Code:

# menu.lst produced by grub4dosconfig-v1.8.0
color white/blue black/cyan white/black cyan/black
#splashimage=/splash.xpm
timeout 10
default 0

# Frugal installed Puppy

title JL64 604 (sda5/JL64604frugal)
  uuid A3EA-B4F4
  kernel /JL64604frugal/vmlinuz   psubdir=JL64604frugal pmedia=atahd pfix=fsck
  initrd /JL64604frugal/initrd.xz

title JL64 604 (sda7/ex-JL64604frugal)
  uuid 7316-3AB4
  kernel /ex-JL64604frugal/vmlinuz   psubdir=ex-JL64604frugal pmedia=atahd pfix=fsck
  initrd /ex-JL64604frugal/initrd.xz

title JL64 604 (sda7/JL64-livecdbuild)
  uuid 7316-3AB4
  kernel /JL64-livecdbuild/vmlinuz   psubdir=JL64-livecdbuild pmedia=atahd pfix=fsck
  initrd /JL64-livecdbuild/initrd.xz

title Fatdog64 (sda5/boot)
  uuid A3EA-B4F4
  kernel /boot/vmlinuz   psubdir=boot pmedia=atahd pfix=fsck
  initrd /boot/initrd

title Fatdog64 (sda5/boot)
  uuid A3EA-B4F4
  kernel /boot/vmlinuz   psubdir=boot pmedia=atahd pfix=fsck
  initrd /boot/initrd

# Full installed Linux

title Linux Mint 17.3 Rosa (sda6)
  uuid 85f41687-869a-462f-a6ad-3ece6af0d77b
  kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/sda6 ro
  initrd /initrd.img

title Linux boot (sda8/boot)
  uuid 12f28943-83bc-4b10-814d-fdf8530d82b8
  kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda8 ro
  initrd /boot/initrd.gz

title Linux boot (sda8/boot)
  uuid 12f28943-83bc-4b10-814d-fdf8530d82b8
  kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda8 ro
  initrd /boot/initrd.gz

# Windows
# this entry searches Windows on the HDD and boot it up
title Windows\nBoot up Windows if installed
  errorcheck off
  find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd  /bootmgr
  chainloader /bootmgr
  find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd  /ntldr
  chainloader /ntldr
  find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd   /io.sys
  chainloader /io.sys
  errorcheck on

# Advanced Menu
title Advanced menu
  configfile /menu-advanced.lst
  commandline


So many puppies everywhere, I 'm feeling a little dizzy.

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Mike Walsh


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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2016, 18:28    Post subject:  

Evening, all.

Just been trying to preview JL64 this evening, by running the LiveCD. And I've encountered something rather odd.

I've tried this twice.....and on both occasions, the same thing has happened. I've recently installed 'Mariner', and I'm wondering if this is somehow interfering with the LiveCD.

Normally, at boot, it'll load the drivers for the disks, and then looks for the session and save-files, yes? It'll check through all partitions on my main drives, finishing up with the Linux partitions on my external Seagate drive. Well, tonight, on both occasions, it gets as far as checking the partition that Mariner's installed to.....then promptly comes up with 'JL64-604.6.5 main sfs not found.....dropping out to initial ramdisk console, etc.' It never gets as far as checking my secondary drive, or the external one.

I've come across this problem before in recent months, especially when booting a newly-installed Pup from USB for the first time.....but this is the first time I've ever had it happen on the LiveCD! Any thoughts on this one, anybody?


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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2016, 18:45    Post subject:  

Hi Mike, this is a problem that I had with all 2015 JLHs. I tried everything that I could come up with based upon recommendations from distro developers on this problem. If occurred with several other distros including JLH during 2015 and early this year.

Then, I had a unnerving thing happen after a power failure on one of the PCs which could not boot JLH. On that PC, I had problems with BIOS setting and POST issues. As a attempt to resolution, I reset the BIOS to factory. The PC began behaving again for boots and testings that I use if for. Later that week I tried the latest JLH and wow, unbelievably, the system booted. But wait, there more! I've found that the other 2015 JLHs could now boot as well on this PC.

This may/may-not be a resolution for you to pursue, but, I am unable to explain what occurred, but can say that the only attributable thing I can point to was the BIOS reset. In fact, there has been NO other machine changes on this PC in years. I have always booted via DVDs on this PC.

Its not much to go on, but, I don't have anything else to offer.

Hope there are other members who are more familiar with boot-time changes which may resolve this condition.

P.S. Iff you have LH running on any other LAN PC, you could try using NETBOOT (via Menu>Network). Feed it JLH to set it up and then go to any other 64bit PC on your LAN and have it boot from the LAN instead of local media. You just might bypass the SFS problem.

BTW: I have always been able to boot LH on this same PC in spite that JLH and others would halt on missing SFS.

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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2016, 19:52    Post subject:  

Hi, gc.

gcmartin wrote:
BTW: I have always been able to boot LH on this same PC in spite that JLH and others would halt on missing SFS.


That's the stupid thing. 'Mariner' has installed & runs without a murmur. And looking in the JL64 ISO, the main SFS file is definitely there.....but the boot process isn't picking it up. And I find it distinctly odd that it fails straight after checking the 'Mariner' partition; that's peculiar.

As for doing a factory defaults reset on the BIOS; frankly, I'd rather not go down that route! Y'see, after Keisha helped me to flash a new BIOS on the big Compaq's mobo last year, to accomodate the new (to me) dual-core Athlon64 X2, on initial boot, it was going absolutely beserk; fans were running flat out, and wouldn't quit; Puppy wouldn't boot (in fact, nothing would). We realized that the MSI-supplied BIOS image had been password-locked by default, and I couldn't get into it to change anything. We eventually got her working right, and ever since then, she's run as sweet as a nut. With the exception of a slight peculiarity where the BIOS now thinks I have a totally different motherboard to the one that I do have (!!), you can perhaps understand why I'm loathe to go down that route.....

'If it ain't broke...'

I can live without JL64, I think. 'Mariner' is now behaving itself nicely, with one exception; the sfs files will all load, but.....they don't all work! I've reset things using the Boot Manager utility several times, and trying different combos of the 'Configure', 'Prompt' & 'Auto-load' settings, but nothing seems to make them behave themselves. Take WINE, for instance; all versions of WINE are 32-bit; period. There is, I believe, no such thing as a 64-bit SFS for WINE.....though I'm more than willing to be proved wrong on that score! Just to be sure, however, I've 'borrowed' the one from Tahr64 (it's considerably newer than the supplied version, and works with the few apps I use it for in Tahr); the entries are all there in /usr/bin and /usr/sbin, right where they should be.....but trying to run 'winecfg' (which configures WINE, and creates the hidden folder in /root).....not a sausage. Nowt happens.

The terminal shows an error, which is then instantly corrected.....but it appears to be sufficient to interrupt the run process, so.....I wouldn't like to say just what is happening. I've even tried unloading the WINE sfs, and installing one of version2013's WINE .pets, and.....you guessed it, nothing again. Still, apart from that, and after my adventures in getting first SlimJet, and then Chrome, to run in 'Mariner', I'm quite enjoying the ride so far! 64-bit Ubuntu and its variants used to make this old girl regularly crash; ever since I switched to Puppy, I've never had the problem rear its head again.....


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PostPosted: Tue 24 May 2016, 16:30    Post subject:  

@gcmartin:-

Well, now....surprise, surprise. You remember I said that even the LiveCD of JustLighthouse refused to load?

By using rockedge's installation method, from here, I've successfully installed JL-604.6.5 to USB, using the multiple sub-directories method.....which I've never tried before.

Works nicely. And it's handy being able to install multiple 'test' Puppies to a single USB stick. Works as well as Bill's 'isobooter'.....which unfortunately, has never worked on my 'big-rig' since the CPU upgrade, as for some strange reason the new BIOS will not boot from FAT32-formatted partitions. It just hunts forever, and never finds them.....

Shame, 'cos I like 'isobooter'. Ah, well; 'ç'est là vie'!

I wonder if this sub-directories method will work just as well on a hard drive partition? It would certainly save me having to create endless new partitions..... Smile I'm curious now as to whether you could 'install' 32- and 64-bit Pups alongside each other on the same partition..!

And it'll mean making better use of the existing hard drive space, since I tend to create 20 GB partitions per Pup. There's an awful lot of spare space being wasted on my hard drive.....especially since my data partitions are all separate these days, and sym-linked into each Pup.


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PostPosted: Fri 27 May 2016, 16:49    Post subject: booting lighthoouse  

The reason Just-Lighthouse won't boot on some boxes is, I believe, the bios isn't set up to run syslinux or grub-2. If there's no EFI in your boot partition, the kernel and initrd.xz will load automatically but not find the base sfs. You can frugal by hand, as M Walsh discovered, and edit your menu-first if you boot with older grub, or try lilo from the slackware repo.

Also, whichever release of JL64 is being run, the base file still says "JL64-604.sfs". Don't go changing it or it will never boot. Not sure why folks test older releases when the newer ones are available.

I have a final release of JL64-604 as well as a new beta release of JL605 (Ignore previous attempts) but google no longer seems to support satellite speeds and times out, even with chromium50. Everything has gone cable, it seems. So it goes, I guess.

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PostPosted: Sat 28 May 2016, 14:24    Post subject: Re: booting lighthoouse  

Dry Falls wrote:
The reason Just-Lighthouse won't boot on some boxes is, I believe, the bios isn't set up to run syslinux or grub-2. If there's no EFI in your boot partition, the kernel and initrd.xz will load automatically but not find the base sfs. You can frugal by hand, as M Walsh discovered, and edit your menu-first if you boot with older grub, or try lilo from the slackware repo.

Also, whichever release of JL64 is being run, the base file still says "JL64-604.sfs". Don't go changing it or it will never boot. Not sure why folks test older releases when the newer ones are available.

I have a final release of JL64-604 as well as a new beta release of JL605 (Ignore previous attempts) but google no longer seems to support satellite speeds and times out, even with chromium50. Everything has gone cable, it seems. So it goes, I guess.

df


Hi, DF.

Simple reason for using the older version is that my machine is that old it would never work with EFI.....it's over 12 years old. EFI was barely a twinkle in someone's eye when this old lady was built.....


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