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Dry Falls · #141 Post by **Dry Falls** » Sat 18 Jul 2015, 17:25

Do I take it then that all of the patches, including udevrules.d-0.0.1_603-1.pet, are in the jl-603d posted on Page 1 of this thread?

Right. the last delta patch renames the distro to JL64-603 (from 603g), hence the necessity to use the new initrd.xz located in the tarbil.

The next iso upload would be the patched version and some minor changes which should be unnoticeable, unless you run a mdsum check.

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edoc · #142 Post by **edoc** » Sun 19 Jul 2015, 23:54

Have you looked at https://bintray.com/ as a free alternative to host downloads?

Sure sounds promising ...

edoc · #143 Post by **edoc** » Tue 21 Jul 2015, 23:03

Will the "next iso" include "systemd and udev" like JL64-603f or be free of systemd?

I thought I'd wait for it to test on my main laptop.

Thanks

Dry Falls wrote: The next iso upload would be the patched version and some minor changes which should be unnoticeable, unless you run a mdsum check.

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Dry Falls · #144 Post by **Dry Falls** » Wed 22 Jul 2015, 01:01

I'd already taken Udev out of the 2_sysd addon, as it didn't work, even when I re-installed as a package.

Systemd & apps which depend on it is still on the iso, but doesn't auto-load at first boot.

I've just uploaded a new Devx. 3_devextras on the iso (coming soon) now has make and other compiling tools on it. Funny, it will build a kernel but still won't run System-config-printer!

Bintray soundslooks cool, especially for small packages. But what I'd need from it comes only with the pay-for version, and $45 per month seems a bit pricy, considering one can get all that and 4 times the storage space from an old-fashioned Apache/ftp enabled web-server for three times less. Without re-designing the whole thing, a server for JL64 has to support wget.

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edoc · #145 Post by **edoc** » Wed 22 Jul 2015, 01:30

OK, didn't see the new Devx at first, multiple hot links on page 1 for downloads ...

Then I remembered the latest is pure "jl64-603" without any trailing letters ... here:

Download Link:
JL64-603( Just-Lighthouse64)

You said systemd doesn't load on first boot - can it be set to never load - or do you mean one may flag it to load if one wants the dependent apps, otherwise it won't.

Is there a list of apps that are dependent on systemd?

It would be a worthwhile exercise to me to try and find alternative apps - if any of those apps seem to be of value.

Ouch! $45./mo to be able to run wget? Wow. I wonder if an email to them might get them to fix that ... or is wget availability a money-generator for them? I respect that they do have costs.

Thanks

Dry Falls · #146 Post by **Dry Falls** » Wed 22 Jul 2015, 02:54

edoc wrote:one may flag it to load if one wants the dependent apps, otherwise it won't.

Is there a list of apps that are dependent on systemd?

Yes. I just took it out of the bootconfig in initrd.xz. If you have a save-session, you can make it load every time there-after.

Lighthouse is so full of stuff from the get-go, I still haven't tested everything with the new build. There are a few kde applications which don't work with or without systemd, so I removed them from the autostart directory. What I've found so far is minimal. Apps on 2_systemd addon are avahi, gnome-disk utilities and possibly tftp/dnsmasq. Still haven't figured that one out yet, so I removed it from the base file. This addon is also a must for kde-pim (personal information manager). So far, that's about it.

I think eudev will improve over time and I'm waiting for that. Otherwise, for the new and improved udev+systemd, you'll have to resort to JL64-602 (or the original L64-602b which still works pretty damn good, especially with a later kernel).

As for bintray, it's not just wget but the allocated storage space which is the biggest problem. Downloading huge files with a browser is, as far as I'm concerned, for the birds (no offense intended toward real birds). All its other pay-for perks, like webstats,etc. come standard with most old-school web-server packages. Cloud technology uses (or is going toward) a whole different addressing system. This is, I think, why gdrive-get no longer works for google. If it does work, the workarounds are unknown to me. It's the nature of progress: "better 'n better" ya know.

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edoc · #147 Post by **edoc** » Wed 22 Jul 2015, 03:25

I'll stick with the 603-series for systemd free operation.

Thanks for all of your efforts!

gcmartin · #148 Post by **gcmartin** » Wed 22 Jul 2015, 07:44

Dont let systemd be the element of measure of the benefits of this distro.

SystemD or NO systemd does NOT impact what the distro offers for user use. This battle of Linux personalities in the Open Source community is casting a bad light of distro development in an already stretched community.

As a user, we should look at the bigger picture: "what does the distro offer us to get our work done?" and "is it swift and stable?"

This distro came from a lineage of LightHouse which was just that. I didn't care if systemd was present or not. It booted on BIOS and UEFI, Intel and AMD, PCs, equally.

Let not lose sight of its strengths! And that wasn't whether it is SystemD or not.

Just some notes which hopes to clarify what the historical foundation was.

Dry Falls · #149 Post by **Dry Falls** » Wed 22 Jul 2015, 09:07

Yes, good point. A lot of things have used systemd for years. I think the problem folks have with it is when everything relies on it. All I've really done is offer a choice. It was not in Tazoc's original base file either but was bundled with the GVS addon for xfce & kde. Turns out that xfce doesn't need it either. But the avahi applications could come in handy for many. I think it may improve power management. For those who use such things the kdepim is a pretty packed suite. Years ago I'd have drooled.

By the way, could you test pureftpd? It seems to be going the same way as netboot/dnsmasq but I can't be sure as it seems to be a wlan app (which my 'bigbox' isn't equipped with). Gftp is fine, but that's not really a local network thing. Monkey-Server & NFS seem to be ok.

thanks,
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edoc · #150 Post by **edoc** » Thu 23 Jul 2015, 22:30

I was waiting for you to post the latest version that you mentioned ... and been busy at work thus distracted ... but just now went to test Pure FTPp and noticed that it is a FTP server?

So if I activate it on one machine I should be able to FTP using gFTP to transfer a file to a different machine?

edoc · #151 Post by **edoc** » Fri 24 Jul 2015, 21:55

Did I ever ask if anyone thinks this is a worthwhile addition to a JL64-603 install?

http://grsecurity.net/index.php

Grsecurity® is an extensive security enhancement to the Linux kernel that defends against a wide range of security threats through intelligent access control, memory corruption-based exploit prevention, and a host of other system hardening that generally require no configuration. It has been actively developed and maintained for the past 14 years.

partsman · #152 Post by **partsman** » Sat 25 Jul 2015, 01:06

gcmartin wrote:Dont let systemd be the element of measure of the benefits of this distro.

SystemD or NO systemd does NOT impact what the distro offers for user use. This battle of Linux personalities in the Open Source community is casting a bad light of distro development in an already stretched community.

As a user, we should look at the bigger picture: "what does the distro offer us to get our work done?" and "is it swift and stable

I totally agree !
Well said gcmartin !

edoc · #153 Post by **edoc** » Sat 25 Jul 2015, 03:09

I think the problem folks have with it is when everything relies on it

I am one of those people.

It looks like an answer in search of a problem and has created on itself - too many things are made dependent on it - just unwise.

Then again, I go back to fairly early days of DOS, etc. and like simple - I still can't feel comfortable creating a file name with a space in it ...

As long as there is a choice then it's still true Linux - when the choice is gone then Linux has unnecessarily died a little from my perspective.

gcmartin · #154 Post by **gcmartin** » Sat 25 Jul 2015, 09:00

Edoc wrote:So if I activate it on one machine I should be able to FTP using gFTP to transfer a file to a different machine?

Yes.

Hope that helps. On our LAN, you can also do similar access via the enclosed SAMBA which is built-in. Go to Menu>Network>SSM to make a folder to share. Then go to ANY other Linux/Apple/Microsoft PC to access anything you share. The SSM is an excellent screen showing most EVERYTHING you need to understand and use on your local LAN.

Hope this is helpful

edoc · #155 Post by **edoc** » Sat 25 Jul 2015, 14:51

Cool!

It sounds as if you've already tested pureftpd for Dry Falls.

Every time I look at apps like this I fuss the security - not that I have stuff here to worry about - it's the old systems manager in me. I used to have to sweat the security stuff in the past.

I would probably target security as a career were I starting over ...

http://www.infoworld.com/article/295217 ... tions.html

I really like this Splashtop app ...

http://www.splashtop.com/linux

... which they claim to be way faster than VPN, etc, but I wonder about security.

(I was going to ask about running it in JL64-603 but y'all have enough on your plates right now.)

Someone found a way to use it with Ham Radio so that one may operate their home transceiver using a smartphone.

Adventures in technology ...

gcmartin · #156 Post by **gcmartin** » Sun 26 Jul 2015, 01:45

Alert: I just booted a pristine JLH602f. SAMBA is not starting. I can see where there is a new SSM but, the old SAMBA 4.0.5 remains. When I open the SSM and click to start SAMBA; If I exit and reenter, SAMBA is not running.

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For Console QuickStart type-> phelp <Enter>  Software versions-> ver <Enter>
<root> ~
bash-4.2# samba -V
Version 4.0.5
<root> ~
bash-4.2# uname -a                                                                                                                  
Linux JLHonAIO 4.0.1-JL-64 #1 SMP Sat May 2 11:23:52 PDT 2015 x86_64 Intel(R) Pentium(R) CPU G2020 @ 2.90GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
<root> ~
bash-4.2# free
             total         used         free       shared      buffers
Mem:       3911564      1902032      2009532       737320       217692
-/+ buffers:            1684340      2227224
Swap:      8397820            0      8397820
<root> ~
bash-4.2# samba -V
Version 4.0.5
<root> ~
bash-4.2# smbclient -U% -L localhost
Connection to localhost failed (Error NT_STATUS_CONNECTION_REFUSED)
<root> ~
bash-4.2#

I will try to narrow down why this is occurring as I haven't had any problems with it in prior releases.

Any ideas, why in this release, would be appreciated.

edoc · #157 Post by **edoc** » Sun 26 Jul 2015, 04:33

Just tried to burn an ISO using the same rewritable DVDs that work fine on this old LH64 laptop on one with the newest (I think the newest) JL64-603.

k3b can see the drive and disc but refuses to write (I've tried 3 from a known-good package of them - just to be sure).

pburn won't recognize that the drive even has a dvd in it.

burniso2cd has never worked on any install - always brings up xdialog then nothing.

isoMaster seems unequipped to burn but rather only to manage an iso.

Is there something I can try to get a burner to play nicely?

Dry Falls · #158 Post by **Dry Falls** » Sun 26 Jul 2015, 10:04

edoc, I've not used k3b but have never had any problem with pburn. That is the recommended application for remaster & burning iso's in L64-602 & later. ISO Master is only good for old-style legacy boot cd's. It won't work to manage the hybrid iso since it doesn't read/write the boot sector. K3b may be the same in this regard. Ie., don't edit the iso. Do a remaster if you want to change anything. If pburn doesn't recognize that the tray is loaded, you've got a bum disk.

gcmartin, the netbios name should be 'Just-Lighthouse64'. there are other errors in samba conf files and samba.sh (left over from the original Lighthouse) I've fixed for the latest build. I'll put together a patch for JL64-602f in the next day or two.

The new iso was just uploaded to replace the one from yesterday (fixed an html error in the help page and added a missing symlink in lib64).

Also updated pureftpd compiled from the latest source. It's much simpler. Readme file and faq is in doc directory. It's supposed to be pretty damn secure and can be configured to be even more so. I'll also upload the source tarbill if anyone is interested (there's also a pet at gdrive).

So new JL64-603.iso at gdrive. Please see opening post.

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Dry Falls · #159 Post by **Dry Falls** » Sun 26 Jul 2015, 20:45

gcmartin wrote:Alert: I just booted a pristine JLH602f. SAMBA is not starting. I can see where there is a new SSM but, the old SAMBA 4.0.5 remains. When I open the SSM and click to start SAMBA; If I exit and reenter, SAMBA is not running.

Just a reminder for others: many applications require enabling at boot in boot services manager to run properly, particularly those which involve daemons.

With that said, here's a patch only for JL64-602f to correct samba conf files. Click on the shell script:

ps. I'm going to try a different method for remastering which might solve some of the booting problems. It's a bit of a chore and easy to mess up, but I'll keep my fingers crossed.

edoc · #160 Post by **edoc** » Sun 26 Jul 2015, 21:31

Anyone here good with Seamonkey email?

I have tried everything I can think of and one account keeps popping up an error complaining about lack of space.

Here's what I've tried:

1. Deleted a ton of old files from when Do Not Remove Emails From Server had been left toggled on - in two accounts.

2. One of those accounts, plus a third, I deleted then re-created. Those accounts are working fine.

3. I can't delete the other account because I can't lose the past 2 days of emails.

4. I tried renaming Inbox.msf but Seamonkey recreated it & loaded the old emails!

5. There's plenty of room on the personal save file.

6. There's 12.1GB unused on the HDD.

7. I increased the email quota for the problem account on the server & only 1/2 half is in use.

For some reason this one account is clinging to a false error flag.

Help?

EDIT1: If I delete "popstate.dat" it won't disturb the existing emails in the Inbox, just force all emails to be download from the server - even if already present - yes?

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Popstate.dat

EDIT2: Solution & answers found here http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic ... 8&t=994865

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