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How to run Puppy Linux on Notebook 133MHz?
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xeratul

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PostPosted: Sat 02 May 2015, 07:21    Post subject:  How to run Puppy Linux on Notebook 133MHz?  

Hello,
how to run puppy linux on a notebook Pentium 133 MHz 16Mb Ram with a windows 98 theme?

Perfs:
800x600 monitor
133 MHz Pentium® processor
12.1 DSTN colour screen
16MB ram
1xUSB port

There is no usb autoboot and I have no floppy disk.

The pc runs currently office 97, windows 98 and it is great to run windows

Yours sincerely,
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PostPosted: Sat 02 May 2015, 09:04    Post subject:  

Load Puppy on to the hard disk, or us PLoP boot manager to simulate a USB boot. It is going to struggle with that amount of RAM.
Try the 2 series or maybe a slim 4.3

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xeratul

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PostPosted: Sat 02 May 2015, 10:56    Post subject:  

you mean to put an ISO on the c: drive

and I have no floppy disk to boot

I wish to avoid to remove windows 98 since it has all what one dream : office 97, games, lot of windows office stuffs.

but no internet so that's why linux comes in Wink
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PostPosted: Sat 02 May 2015, 11:23    Post subject: Re: How to run Puppy Linux on Notebook 133MHz?  

xeratul wrote:
how to run puppy linux on a notebook Pentium 133 MHz 16Mb Ram

You can't. Even if you could get it to boot, it would never do anything useful on today's Internet.
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PostPosted: Sat 02 May 2015, 12:29    Post subject:  

Sorry, it's hopeless with those specs. Not enough CPU, nowhere near enough RAM.

Stick with Win98.

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PostPosted: Sun 03 May 2015, 04:15    Post subject:  

starhawk wrote:
Sorry, it's hopeless with those specs. Not enough CPU, nowhere near enough RAM.

Stick with Win98.



Which Linux alternative to Puppy Linux with Adobe Acrobat reader would you eventually know for a 133 MHz PC?


I could probably run : debian-2.0r0-i386-binary-1.iso
the selected installation with x11 with jwm is 50 MB only.
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PostPosted: Sun 03 May 2015, 12:27    Post subject:  

You can't.

Your CPU is from the 586 generation. Almost all Linuxes now include packages compiled for the generation after that -- i686 packages. Those require a CPU instruction, "CMOV", that your CPU cannot execute because it is too old. The only potential way around this with a system of that sort, is a Cyrix 6x86 CPU. You will have an enormous performance penalty because it is a Cyrix -- that is, even a 133MHz Cyrix 6x86 will not perform at the same speed as the 133MHz original Pentium that you have now. Further, that CPU will only work with a Super Socket 7 motherboard, and it's fairly difficult to tell before installing it which you have -- they look identical and are usually marked as "Socket 7" on the hardware, whether they are "Super" or not. Real, original Socket 7 motherboards cannot use non-Intel CPUs.

The RAM size you've given us as well, is limiting to the point of impossibility. That's really the choke-point here. If you had 128mb RAM --heck, even 64mb -- things would be different. But 16mb? There are 486s built with more RAM than that! No. It's not going to happen. Further, laptops of that era typically have proprietary RAM types (RAM that fits and works only in that one laptop). I have a 486 Toshiba laptop like that. You can't upgrade those anymore, because the RAM is no longer made. You can't buy it.

I hate to tell you to give up. I hate to tell anyone to give up. But that's what you should probably do here. If I had the laptop in front of me, and I was extraordinarily bored, I could maybe use it for playing DOS games (or programming DOS games, I do that a little) -- but nostalgia is literally all it is useful for at this point. With those specifications there is absolutely zero chance of a web browser of any kind, or any modern anything for that matter, running on that relic. It's simply too old and too limited. Sorry, buddy, it's just not in the cards. What you are trying to do is literally impossible.

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PostPosted: Sun 03 May 2015, 12:44    Post subject:  

Alright. Did some research, and I do have one idea, despite my ranting earlier.

xeratul, could you give me the manufacturer and model of this laptop? If you can double (or more) the RAM then there is a tiny tiny chance that I might have something for you.

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PostPosted: Sun 03 May 2015, 12:49    Post subject:  

xeratul wrote:
I could probably run : debian-2.0r0-i386-binary-1.iso
the selected installation with x11 with jwm is 50 MB only.

Hamm from 1998 sounds good.
God luck.
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PostPosted: Sun 03 May 2015, 12:58    Post subject:  

Actually, I was thinking DSL and Links2 Wink xeratul only needs 24mb RAM to run DSL, according to their wiki... and that's with X, which Links2 doesn't actually need. The distro is compiled for i486 as well, so he's all set as far as the CPU is concerned.

My thinking is that if he can double the RAM in that laptop, and find some way of getting Linux onto the hard drive, then that will actually potentially work for him. It won't get him to YouTube, of course -- but there's no way you can run Flash content on that antique anyways. I'd be hard pressed to make YouTube work in my Dell CPi, and that's got a 300MHz Pentium 2 and 128megs of RAM.

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PostPosted: Sun 03 May 2015, 14:47    Post subject:  

A toshiba Satellite that was made for windows 95.

look here... what about making a sort of operating system from scratch for old PC? it is not so much work to start a first basic env.

look the code, how smart they coded it...
http://www.computerhistory.org/atchm/microsoft-ms-dos-early-source-code/
It was brillant!

this one too:
https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/Historic/linux-0.01.tar.gz
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PostPosted: Sun 03 May 2015, 15:01    Post subject:  

What model Toshiba Satellite? That's very important.

Making your own OS would work if you wanted to also make your own applications... all from scratch. (I'm saying this for the sake of sarcasm only. Trust me when I tell you assembly language programming is very hard.)

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PostPosted: Sun 03 May 2015, 15:53    Post subject:  

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/Toshiba_Satellite_200CDT.JPG

starhawk wrote:
What model Toshiba Satellite? That's very important.

Making your own OS would work if you wanted to also make your own applications... all from scratch. (I'm saying this for the sake of sarcasm only. Trust me when I tell you assembly language programming is very hard.)



today, there arent much choices, since no one is any longer interested in fast operating systems or softwares for pc with sufficient perfs (>8-16mb), or ... doing something with old computers.

windows 3.1 is very useful and runs on almost whatever machines. WIth a 486 dx, you can fairly work, for office tasks, with windows.


Old computer can still be used for office, definitely.
Look how brillant was windows 3.1 and ms office.

One can work on C also for own soft making, with a minimal of ASM.
The first linux code was similar.

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PostPosted: Sun 03 May 2015, 16:12    Post subject:  

Hopeless. The laptop only uses proprietary memory modules. Even eBay doesn't have that stuff... near as I can tell, it no longer exists.

I'm sorry, dude, but this is kinda where it ends. You can't even run Damn Small Linux on that thing, it's so limited. There is literally no way to do this.

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PostPosted: Sun 03 May 2015, 16:25    Post subject:  

starhawk wrote:
Hopeless. The laptop only uses proprietary memory modules. Even eBay doesn't have that stuff... near as I can tell, it no longer exists.

I'm sorry, dude, but this is kinda where it ends. You can't even run Damn Small Linux on that thing, it's so limited. There is literally no way to do this.


something even like this first Windows would be already ok for me... It is just to type documents and to have some windowing (windows) with the mouse.

look this nice review:
http://www.winline.ru/articles/vizualnyj_tur_25_let_microsoft_windows.php
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