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Rox and desktop files: how to display Comment[fr]
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PostPosted: Thu 02 Apr 2015, 13:26    Post subject:  Rox and desktop files: how to display Comment[fr]
Subject description: At home, it's in English...		  
Hello,

I need you to solve a problem with Rox-Filer.

In a Rox window, if I rolls the mouse over a desktop file, the comment displayed is in English. Yet the desktop file contains the variable Comment[fr].
Is it the same for you?
Do you have a solution to offer?

Note: I use Puppy Precise 5.7.1 + rox-filer 2.11

Thank you in advance for your help.
Regards,
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PostPosted: Thu 02 Apr 2015, 13:50    Post subject:  
Hello, ASRI.

Same here...



My LANG variable is set to fr_CA but ROX-Filer is not picking it up.
I looked in the ROX-Filer doc and there's nothing about that problem
there.

If I launch rox with the LANG variable in front, I get the same results as above, plus this message:

Quote:
LANG=fr_CA rox
(process:14350): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library
(process:14350): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.
Using the fallback 'C' locale.


That's because ROX-Filer was not compiled for Puppy with internationalisation in mind.

Now if the above sentence sounds like a criticism, that's because it is! Smile

À+ / TWYL.

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PostPosted: Thu 02 Apr 2015, 14:01    Post subject:  
Hello again, ASRI.

To add to the above:

In an exchange with mikeb about "pango" errors piling up in the xerrs.log
file*, he mentioned that the glibc library might have to be recompiled
from scratch to solve the non-recognition of UTF-8 locales.

I would suggest that this is a similar problem. If the C libraries** that
Puppy relies upon do not have / do not recognize / are not compiled with
localizations, we non-Anglophones are stuck with English only in a number
of applications.

BFN.

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* Ref. : http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=833801&sort=lastpost&search_id=1181903646#833801
and ff.
** And maybe GTK libraries also.
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PostPosted: Thu 02 Apr 2015, 14:20    Post subject:  
@ musher0
Thank you for that informations.
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PostPosted: Thu 02 Apr 2015, 14:39    Post subject:  
who me!!!

well glibc localizations are in /usr/lib/locale ... add what you like I believe. They either come as made or built on demand. There may be other factors blocking locales working but this sounds like a rox issue.

What does another file manager do...eg xfce4 and menu generation/desktop files if LANG is set ?

I worked through speeding up the personalise/localize wizard in lucid so learned a few things along the way...also ended up 8 times faster as a bonus Smile I also aplied said knowledge to sorting out a slax install that had locale problems ...in this case hal would not work if I set a locale other than C and there was a locale.alias file present in /usr/share/locale ... weird stuff

So I am no expert but if anything comes to mind i will post it.

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PostPosted: Thu 02 Apr 2015, 15:21    Post subject:  
mikeb wrote:
So I am no expert but if anything comes to mind i will post it.

Thank you in advance.
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PostPosted: Fri 03 Apr 2015, 06:08    Post subject:  
use Find'N'Run Idea

Not comments are listed but names. Wink

(or report it to rox dev)
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PostPosted: Fri 03 Apr 2015, 11:34    Post subject:  
L18L wrote:
use Find'N'Run Idea

Not comments are listed but names. Wink

(or report it to rox dev)

Hello L18L
I will immediately test Find'N'Run
But I admit, I am looking for a solution with Rox-Filer.
I will contact the developer of Rox, but I have the impression that the problem is with the compilation (so I will also ask in woof forum).
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PostPosted: Fri 03 Apr 2015, 12:08    Post subject:  
L18L wrote:
use Find'N'Run Idea

Not comments are listed but names. Wink

(or report it to rox dev)


Yes, well names of programs, like those of persons, should not be
translated. Firefox will never be known as "Renard de feu".

As to the rox dev, he retired many years ago.

Also -- there's no easy way to tell you this -- your findNRun doesn't work
on my Puppy. And may I have the pleasure of tightening the screw: Twisted Evil
dmenu2 does...

As well, in Puppy, in French or in English, we are manic about adding
descriptions to application names. No-no-no-no, that is not logical at all.
In addition, it makes very wide and very ugly menus.

There are places for descriptions in the *.desktop files : the
Comment=
line or the
GenericName=
line.

Not the
Name=
line.

BFN.

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PostPosted: Fri 03 Apr 2015, 12:19    Post subject:  
Quote:
As to the rox dev, he retired many years ago.

I was slapped around suggesting using grub4dos as it might be unmaintained and puppy does not want such things some years ago... but after investigating yaf-splash it seems that rule only applies when convenient Very Happy

So any Rox changes are down to ...erm...puppy devs then?

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PostPosted: Fri 03 Apr 2015, 12:27    Post subject:  
mikeb wrote:
Quote:
As to the rox dev, he retired many years ago.

I was slapped around suggesting using grub4dos as it might be unmaintained and puppy does not want such things some years ago... but after investigating yaf-splash it seems that rule only applies when convenient Very Happy

So any Rox changes are down to ...erm...puppy devs then?

mike


Not only. Some rox fans are forking it on github. Do a little search there,
you'll see.

On the user front, archlinux fans are at least keeping rox in the loop,
while the gentoo people may really erase it from their repo. (AFAIK)
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PostPosted: Fri 03 Apr 2015, 12:33    Post subject:  
Ah ok...thanks for the info.

I too had assumed it was maintained but quiet.

One of those watch this space moments.... could one of these forks potentially help with this threads problem?

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mikeb wrote:
Ah ok...thanks for the info.

I too had assumed it was maintained but quiet.

One of those watch this space moments.... could one of these forks potentially help with this threads problem?

mike


Yes, please, you be the guinea pig! Very Happy
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That would mean running around eating onion skins while having snow white long hair...sounds fun...

There is quite a bundle here
http://rox.sourceforge.net/desktop/software.html
but we are looking elsewhere I assume.

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edit..I grabbed the 2.11 source anyway...might be an interesting start.
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mikeb wrote:
That would mean running around eating onion skins while having snow white long hair...sounds fun...

There is quite a bundle here
http://rox.sourceforge.net/desktop/software.html
but we are looking elsewhere I assume.

mike

edit..I grabbed the 2.11 source anyway...might be an interesting start.


Hi, mikeb.

Yep, we are looking elsewhere. The goal is to determine whose fault it is
that
Comment[fr]=blabla
is not displayed according to the LANG variable when the mouse hovers
over the *.desktop files in /usr/share/applications.

ROX-Filer? glibc?

And then correct that fault.

If you can draw upon your experience to help us, it will be greatly appreciated.

BFN.

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