vividpup beta

[James C]

Just a quick live run/hardware check. All basics working on initial boot.

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root# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: vividpup, version beta2

Chip description:
VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 4000] (rev a4)

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
  Resolution (widthxheight, in pixels): 1024x768
  Depth (bits, or planes):              24
  Modules requested to be loaded:       dbe 

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
  Driver loaded (and currently in use): nouveau
  Loaded modules: dbe dri2 exa extmod fb glx kbd mouse shadowfb

Actual rendering on monitor:
  Resolution:  1024x768 pixels (270x203 millimeters)
  Depth:       24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
root# glxgears
Running synchronized to the vertical refresh.  The framerate should be
approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate.
373 frames in 5.0 seconds = 74.440 FPS
376 frames in 5.0 seconds = 75.025 FPS
376 frames in 5.0 seconds = 75.024 FPS
376 frames in 5.0 seconds = 75.008 FPS
371 frames in 5.0 seconds = 74.044 FPS
376 frames in 5.0 seconds = 75.025 FPS

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-Computer-
Processor		: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3800+
Memory		: 2064MB (330MB used)
Machine Type		: Physical machine
Operating System		: vividpup - beta2
User Name		: root (root)
Date/Time		: Sat 13 Jun 2015 11:58:00 PM CDT
-Display-
Resolution		: 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer		: Mesa DRI nv18 x86/MMX+/3DNow!+/SSE2
X11 Vendor		: The X.Org Foundation
-Audio Devices-
Audio Adapter		: VIA8237 - VIA 8251

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root# free
             total         used         free       shared      buffers
Mem:       2064736      1187564       877172       475992       137244
-/+ buffers:            1050320      1014416
Swap:            0            0            0
root# 

[pa_mcclamrock]

Oops, I spoke a little too soon about everything working right. Last time I tried to open Pale Moon, my computer froze up and I had to shut down improperly. I restarted, waited several minutes for two filesystem checks, and now everything is back to normal. When I tried Tahrpup, I got repeated freezes from browser-opening, but this is the first time it's happened with vividpup. Anyone have any idea what the problem might be and how it might get fixed?

[irishrm]

Haven't been posting for quite a while. Just done a USB install of vividpup. The b43 driver recognized my wl driver first go. First time that has happened with any distro. Everything working very well. 666philb congratulations, great work. irishrm.

[gcmartin]

Hello @Pa_McClamrock

I would like to ask:
Do you have a SWAP partition on your system's HDD?
(Menu>Filesystem>Pmount or Menu>System>Gparted
Look for "SWAP" partition in either screen.)

Was it being used by your system during its boot and running?
(enter the following command in a terminal)

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# free

Typically, although not true for every case, the presence of a SWAP partition eliminates one reason a system will lock/stop.

But, you are probably way beyond that, with Vivid, by now.

Hope this is helpful

[pa_mcclamrock]

Hello @Pa_McClamrock

I would like to ask:
Do you have a SWAP partition on your system's HDD? [ . . . ]
Was it being used by your system during its boot and running?

I do have a swap partition, and I also now have 4 GB RAM, not just 2. Apparently the swap partition isn't being used because the RAM is enough:

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root# free
               total            used           free              shared       buffers
Mem:       4069520      2226444      1843076       501280       169220
-/+ buffers:            2057224      2012296
Swap:      2353484            0      2353484

The freeze-up has only happened once since I got the additional RAM, but still it's dismaying; I'd like to know what caused it and what might cure it.

[partsman]

Hi @Pa_McClamrock

What is the output if you run this in a terminal :

cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness
My guess is that your swap is being used when it really doesn't need to be
See here ! And follow answer
Hope it helps ! I think this is where gcmartin was going with !


http://askubuntu.com/questions/103915/h ... swappiness

[gcmartin]

I see. Your Vivid detects and incorporates SWAP at boot. So the problem resided elsewhere. (BTW: there is very good chance your swap may never get used, but, the benefit of its presence is there, nonetheless.)

Hard to say on that problem. Further, again too, it may never resurface as your RAM footprint has increased.

And, yes, as @Partsman points, this can/could have an impact and is worth noting.

Thanks for posting your findings.

[pa_mcclamrock]

Hi @Pa_McClamrock

What is the output if you run this in a terminal :

cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness

The output is 60. I'll read about how to decrease it in the article you referenced, but not tonight before I go to bed. Thanks!

[rek769]

Intel Duo Core with 8Gb RAM
Fluxbox w Tint2 panel in lieu of JWM
Seamonkey suite in lieu of Palemoon / Thunderbird
3.19.5 Kernel
Created and loaded Gnucash SFS
WPS office via SFS
No Swap

No issues to report...

[oui]

this Puppy is enormous. the add's from RSH are very good (but probably on German: remasterize, convert *.deb's in LazY-format.sfs, etc.) but the obligatory add's in the original ISO, that is to much! And with over 400 Mb, it is not a Puppy any more. Why all this matter in the standard ISO, why an obligatory browser (I use Seamonkey because I did become Puppyist more than 10 years ago as Mozilla was a living suite under this name! I did never abandon longer time Seamonkey (as Xombrero does not work correctly in Puppy because avoid of some icons... I did reinstall it completely fresh from Lubuntu/Ubuntu vers. Unicorn, it works pretty, but the icons are not to find for me and I have not time more to spend to such an action; see added picture giving the list of the needing *.deb's),

my full install from Debian Jessie made by me as a Puppy is only a bit bigger as it is not squashed: if it is our future, we will not need some Puppy any more! Why? I refuse Debian LXDE because it is to big for me and build my Puppy like Debian installation myself, and Puppy's become as fat as a Debian full ...

... and are only in ONE unique language , often without manpages etc. in the right language for me! it's become more or less nonsens

alsamixer did change and requires now options. it is NOT a progress...

I did have to reinstall mTpaint to avoid to be disturbed by the usual job to shrink the size of my printscreen (i know, they are perfectly describded in http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/GIMP_Quickies/ ! but I must loose my time to learn somewhat i really not need. ballast is that. about 220 Mb ballast compared with an usual Puppy mixture, which I know perfectly...)

hm, also that is NOT a progress...

[Moat]

this Puppy is enormous... but the obligatory add's in the original ISO, that is to much!

"as for this version, i wanted it to be an everything and the Out house sink type of puppy"

Here -

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 855#849855

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 836#849836

Bob

[gcmartin]

@Oui is consistent with the theme of a decade ago, but, and I mean this with NO disrespect, the landscape has changed as did my community from my childhood.

When PUPPY started, we were many 486s/PentiumPros/P1/P2/P3 with some P4. RAM sizes were meager or sparce (and expensive) depending on which of us you were back then.

We were faced with

• most/many on dialup
• slow downloads
• CDRs were the norm
• no to low RAM for loading
• CPU, though functional, but ...
• slow peripherals

PUPPY distros were developed for those machines and that neighborhood of user environments. Those distro still exists for those PC users. Question in their operations are still answered here in the forum

Today, most every user have moved on: WHY? I dont think I need to answer that, its obvious.

This distro runs very very comfortable on every PC that was sold from manufacturers shipping Windows since 2004....without fail.

Yes, it may have some things some may not like, but, it is also missing some things some would like.

If anyone's PC is sparce, this is NOT the distro for you. There are a plethora of other PUPs in the forum which will run. They may be older for the PCs gone by, but the distros still operate on those PCs.

The author is providing a contribution for the community and it seemingly intends to move the timeline forward to match where we are today with the kinds of things people are doing today.

No offense to anyone who feels that small is better. Measurements show that this is not the case.

I am not denigrating anything. Its just a constant complaint which sometimes I wish did not occurs as so many developers are doing their best to help us. If a program is failing, we need to know circumventions. But, lambasting a developer because he/she doesn't match our outlook, well ... you be the judge.

This PUP is a rather "friendly" presentation of PUPPY Linux in all its glory.

I admire this author, not just for the contribution he provides us, but if one looks at his "opening post", he is clear on the target PC this distro will live comfortably with little to no issues in behavior for the user.

[Jasper]

Very, very - (e)very - without fail; well, well, is gcmartin well.

[James C]

Just installed a refurb mobo in this box so needed to do a hardware check.

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root# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: vividpup, version beta2

Chip description:
VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation C51G [GeForce 6100] (rev a2)

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
  Resolution (widthxheight, in pixels): 1024x768
  Depth (bits, or planes):              24
  Modules requested to be loaded:       dbe 

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
  Driver loaded (and currently in use): nouveau
  Loaded modules: dbe dri2 exa extmod fb glx kbd mouse shadowfb

Actual rendering on monitor:
  Resolution:  1024x768 pixels (270x203 millimeters)
  Depth:       24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video

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root# free
             total         used         free       shared      buffers
Mem:        959544       870284        89260       466108        49076
-/+ buffers:             821208       138336
Swap: 

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-Computer-
Processor		: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+
Memory		: 959MB (244MB used)
Machine Type		: Physical machine
Operating System		: vividpup - beta2
User Name		: root (root)
Date/Time		: Thu 06 Aug 2015 02:48:02 PM CDT
-Display-
Resolution		: 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer		: Gallium 0.4 on NV4E
X11 Vendor		: The X.Org Foundation
-Audio Devices-
Audio Adapter		: NFORCE - Intel ICH

Everything working well.

[James C]

Just built a new box so did a quick frugal install.

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root# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: vividpup, version beta2

Chip description:
VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT218 [GeForce 210] (rev a2)

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
  Resolution (widthxheight, in pixels): 1024x768x16
  Depth (bits, or planes):              24
  Modules requested to be loaded:       dbe 

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
  Driver loaded (and currently in use): nouveau
  Loaded modules: dbe dri2 exa extmod fb glx kbd mouse shadowfb

Actual rendering on monitor:
  Resolution:  1440x900 pixels (380x238 millimeters)
  Depth:       24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video

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root# free
             total         used         free       shared      buffers
Mem:       8192944      1647576      6545368       500288       119568
-/+ buffers:            1528008      6664936
Swap:      8396796            0      8396796

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-Computer-
Processor		: 6x AMD FX(tm)-6300 Six-Core Processor
Memory		: 8192MB (348MB used)
Machine Type		: Physical machine
Operating System		: vividpup - beta2
User Name		: root (root)
Date/Time		: Sun 09 Aug 2015 12:33:04 AM CDT
-Display-
Resolution		: 1440x900 pixels
OpenGL Renderer		: Gallium 0.4 on NVA8
X11 Vendor		: The X.Org Foundation
-Audio Devices-
Audio Adapter		: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB
Audio Adapter		: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
Audio Adapter		: PC-Speaker - pcsp

[futwerk]

new background.

[musher0]

Hello, all.

@futwerk: your new background looks great!

@oui: You wrote:
> "Hm, this is not progress..."

Indeed, you shouldn't view it as progress, since it has to do with creativity.

I would like to defend 666philb's decision as an author of Puppy distros. He decided
to make this one a big Puppy, and it is his right to do so.

oui, if you prefer, the smaller VividPup-6.5 (PAE or not; 215 Mb) is still available at
https://archive.org/download/Puppy_Linux_Vividpup thanks to the tenacious
and wonderful work of ally at the Internet archive.

Another consideration, oui, about Puppy sizes. Add OpenOffice or LibreOffice, or Java
plus Datacrow, for example, to any Puppy, and instantly you have a Puppy that's 150
Mb's fatter at least than the one you started with. Not to mention another 140 Mb's
(give or take) for the devx file if you need it to develop the Puppy.

That doesn't mean Puppy has become as big as Debian... Have a look: the recent
Debian Wheezy (7.8 ) Live with LXDE (it's the smallest ISO of this series) comes in
at 1,1 Gb and you'll still have to download a few extras to suit your taste.

Even if one is not a math wiz, one can easily see that a Puppy with 215 Mb is 5 times
smaller than this Debian 1,1 Gb. The size of the fat Vivid at 435 Mb weighs only about
40 % of the Debian Wheezy LXDE Live. Even if you add the devx file, it's still less than
50 % of the Debian -- and 666philb's fat VividPup offers at least equivalent functions.

Another argument in favor of big Puppies is that it fends off the comment that Puppies
are for Linux hobbyists, not for newbies. With a big Puppy such as this one or
koulazixis' Slacko 5.5 XL -- among others --, most everything is there ready to use.
No compiling, no Internet search for complements are necessary: the newbie user
can start enjoying his Puppy right away.

I know, oui, that you like the recent 57 Mb's Slitaz-5rc, but what do you have in there?
The mere skin and bones of a distro. So please... let's keep some perspective and
compare comparables.

Bye for now.

musher0

[yr1945]

@oui... I tend to agree with you... just my opinion though!

The last really good "puppies" were Saluki023 and Precise571... everything worked just fine OOTB. On Precise571, I can add acpitool & pupshutdown pets and the OS will suspend and wake just fine... however, these pets don't work with the newer "puppies". Also, the newer OS' have a "shutdown GUI" that is silly and not needed at all... it just takes an extra click to exit. Some of them will not even open hyperlinks when double clicked.

The trend for new "puppies" appear to be more fancy stuff, megabytes, etc... not "lean and mean" coupled with better functionality.

Also, look at Quirky... ouch... I know, I know... it is not a puppy... wink, wink.

But, then, the above is just my opinion. By the way, I have my motorcycle helmet and gear on... so start throwing rocks at me... LOL.

P.S.: While I still use Precise and Saluki... and, play around with many other "puppies", I, too, have reinstalled Debian. However, I don't fully understand the issue with SystemD.

[Pelo]

ViVid installed, nice green.
A first look at Menu and PPM QT5 Gui...
And a Look at the menu Multimedia and Graphics... for testing the new applications offered to users.
WebChemy..Coquillo. Bino in the PPM (3d video player)
Vivid 6.5 installed on multiboot pendrive (Grub4Dos) between Wolx and ASRI-edu310 (France). Wireless connection with Frisbee easy, Palemoon is a browser I appreciate.
This Puppy is fast... I am expecting a better use of QT libs.
Icons themes, click 'more themes' : good idea, because SVG icons were becoming the standard, That gives us a chance to enjoy our desktop.
About Musher0 opinion, my policy would be Light applis for everybody, and SFS to load for typists, multimedia or audio specialists. But never Nothing offered or geek apps which newbie will not understand as elinks.
When you enter a Puppy, everyone should be able to choose how to make the puppy it's own. Doing nothing for a lot of us, loading SFS for specialists.
Vivid is not bad in the spirit.... and in my opinion.
SimpleScreenRecorder is the best screencast tool i have ever used Sound was muted on boot but merely changing the level took care of that.
Coquillo, in the opposite, is a very poor metadata editor for audio files...

[Pelo]

My desktop has left ! black screen, but bottom menu still here, and is active.

issues .... i've had jwm crash a few times, it's the one from tahrpup, so might need to re-compile it for vivid. (or it could just be my comp) My laptop too. I tried to repair my vividsave-alexandra.2fs by creating a new one and copying jwm config files in it, but it didn't repair anything. however perhaps it's not possible repairing after a crash.
I always install pupsaveconfig in my new puppies, because your are doing tries to get them as you like, When something get wrong, you reboot without saving, to retrieve previous configuration. pupsaveconfig now should be available everywhere, so useful.
restarted with a new pupsave, seems stable. J'aime vraiment Vividpup, Me gusta Vividpup.