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I give up on Puppy.
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jonabark

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PostPosted: Fri 20 Feb 2015, 15:10    Post subject:  I give up on Puppy.  

OK, I have spent 2 days trying to get this pp to work and I've had enough. The reason I don't have dogs is the little deposits of doggy doo.

Problems: 1)My netbook battery ran out with no warning and nothing saved of 5 hours of work on the precise puppy desktop. Also when I plugged in and restarted, it did not go through the same parameters and screen resolution process and I ended up with a distorted desktop. Perhaps my own damn fault but every other program I have used gives a warning.
2) I connected and added my 2 printers but a) the one printed blank pages out of a write file(works fine with mac) the other printer( also works fine with mac) doesn't work at all with pp even though it shows up in list and was selected as the printer
I have connected a lot of printers to OSs and this Cups online system sucks.
3) the paint and draw programs print choice does not allow you to select a printer, nor does it print to the one connected
4) finding the apps folder to move the icon onto the desktop takes like 4 or 5 steps which I had to find out via a youtube video
5) Lucid would not connect to my wireless
My entire puppy experience has been disappointing and I don't have the time for this kind of easy. These problems seem like basic issues that shouldn't take so long to resolve. The idea is to be better at least than windows. So sayonara for now. Gong to try other OSs.

The sea monkey stuff works fine
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starhawk

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PostPosted: Fri 20 Feb 2015, 15:19    Post subject:  

The devil's in the details... you know, if you'd asked us about those instead of storming off fuming you'd probably have had a different experience.

Oh well.

Take care!

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Ted Dog


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PostPosted: Fri 20 Feb 2015, 18:21    Post subject:  

Oh... darn lost another back to the greedy arms of a for profit company. Bet he can get this level of support or forum drama on a 'real' OS website... Just glad it was not us personally Razz
Would wish the internet would only let people know this should be viewed as a hobby, with good outcomes and not a stopping spot for stressed out windows folks banging head looking for fast and simple fix to complex problems.
But he was me in the early days, no time to learn, need it now! But with only a few days of free time, puppy answered more problems than other distros, so, here I am, today.
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PostPosted: Fri 20 Feb 2015, 19:01    Post subject:  

Been taking Wary 5.5 for a walk the last couple of days - absolutely solid/great.

Dropped in kernel 3.10, added dbus and pulseaudio and its running Skype 4.3 and the latest portable firefox really well. Can watch onscreen video's and listen via the speakers whilst chatting on Skype using the headphones.

Liking it a lot. My old AMD64 single core works well with it and I'm tempted to sign the adoption papers to keep the pup long term.

My usual of get the core up and running as I want and then remaster, dropping pup sfs into initrd and then just pfix=ram,nocopy pupmode 5 booting thereafter with no save file (with the option to click yes at shutdown when asked whether to create a savefile - rather than having to immediately remaster in any further desired changes). All running 100% in ram.

Most impressed with how just opting for XVesa server at startup leaves nvidia graphics to establish itself well with no conflicts. Can opaque window resize/moves well, and is usable despite modesetting being turned off (nouveau.modeset=0 boot parameter).

Other OS's ? Yeah! ... tried 'em didn't like 'em. The ability of pup to provide a fixed read only core ... and update/virus problems become a thing of the past ... and not something that I'd be tempted to return to thanks.
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raffy

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PostPosted: Sat 21 Feb 2015, 20:37    Post subject: user was trying Lucid Puppy on USB  

I tried to check on the user's progress and he said here:
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...went to precise puppy after finding a discussion that said it worked on the D270 netbook out of the box. It loaded great and I am using it from the usb stick but assume I will be able to do a frugal install when I check out...


The guy must have installed applications in his first 5 hours with Precise Puppy (in USB). Then his battery went dead without warning from the OS.

Some helpful tips for newbies:

1. Get started fast with Windows installer. noryb009 keeps Windows installer at http://www.mediafire.com/?5ah0d0rzcz5cc, with the latest Slacko earning the label "latest" and other builds (including the new Tahrpup) available under "derivatives".

Use the latest builds because they have solved many problems and have more up-to-date drivers. And they include laptop utilities. Very Happy

2. Be specific with the details of your problem and question and repeat it if forum replies don't address your specific issue.

And a bit of advice to forum oldtimers: please don't assume that every newbie is a hobbyist with the luxury of time and patience in experimenting with the Pup (In fairness, user jonabark gave Puppy two days of experimenting).

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PostPosted: Sat 21 Feb 2015, 21:34    Post subject:  

My condolences...
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stemsee

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PostPosted: Sat 21 Feb 2015, 21:49    Post subject:  

I know exactly how you feel. You should have tried Lighthouse 64 or EmSee-V2.4 all the work is done for you.
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ardvark


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PostPosted: Sun 22 Feb 2015, 00:20    Post subject: Re: user was trying Lucid Puppy on USB  

raffy wrote:
And a bit of advice to forum oldtimers: please don't assume that every newbie is a hobbyist with the luxury of time and patience in experimenting with the Pup (In fairness, user jonabark gave Puppy two days of experimenting).


I would add that most end users are not technically inclined and/or savvy and expect an OS to "just work" with a minimum of involvement on their part.

Windows can provide this (for the most part) because...

1. Windows is pre-installed on almost OEM systems that you find in a store. Just answer a few quick simple questions and you're up and running. Some distributions are catching up to this as far as ease of installation, though. Wink

2. Brand new peripherals such as printers, scanners, cameras, etc., usually come with a driver CD that (usually) makes installation easy. If for some reason it didn't come with one, you can usually find one on the internet or, in some cases, Windows will already have one in their database and download and install it for you. Even if you have to find one online, the .exe does all the work for you, you just have to answer a few questions. No command line work or know how, no having to build anything or make sure dependencies (if any) are met. No, it's certainly not foolproof and folks do experience problems but by and large, it works pretty well.

To be honest, the OP's experience is not unique, it's fairly common. I think that if Windows users had to try to do some of the stuff that we, as Linux users, have had to do to get something to work here and there (and I think we all have had to, in some way or another,) there would be a major upheaval! Laughing

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Robin2

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PostPosted: Mon 23 Feb 2015, 14:11    Post subject:  

I have a lot of sympathy for the OP in this.

I have been using Ubuntu for a few years and Puppy just for a few weeks.

Moving from Windows to Linux was a huge learning process even though the Ubuntu folks make the installation fairly straightforward.

But once you have Ubuntu installed it is very difficult to do anything that is the least bit unusual without needing to know a lot of Geek stuff that is totally unnecessary with Windows (and, presumably with Macs).

Unfortunately it seems to be a badge of honour in the Linux system to master these complexities rather than to eliminate them. And decent documentation for Open Source software is as scarce as hens' teeth.

Having said all that I have switched from Xubuntu to Puppy because I like the way it exposes more of the stuff that is behind the scenes.

I think it is fair to say that Puppy would not be easy for a naive Windows user and maybe that should be made clear on the main project page. Installing it is only a small part of the user experience as the OP has very clearly shown.

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PostPosted: Mon 23 Feb 2015, 14:46    Post subject:  

Robin2 wrote:
But once you have Ubuntu installed it is very difficult to do anything that is the least bit unusual without needing to know a lot of Geek stuff that is totally unnecessary with Windows (and, presumably with Macs).

Unfortunately it seems to be a badge of honour in the Linux system to master these complexities rather than to eliminate them. And decent documentation for Open Source software is as scarce as hens' teeth.


+1, as they say. Wink

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SFR


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PostPosted: Mon 23 Feb 2015, 15:26    Post subject:  

jonabark wrote:
My netbook battery ran out with no warning and nothing saved of 5 hours of work on the precise puppy desktop.

It seems to me that none of Puppies (or very few - probably mostly those who have e.g. Vattery instead of powerapplet_tray) is able to warn and/or shutdown gracefully if battery is very low.
No, it dies instantly instead, "just like that", no matter if something is being written to HDD at the moment, no session saved...full carelessness. Rolling Eyes

Anyway, here's a version of powerapplet_tray with this issue addressed:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=85752
Dunno how many (if any) Pups have it preinstalled, though...

Greetings!

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PostPosted: Mon 23 Feb 2015, 16:12    Post subject:  

I have had a much different transition from W98-2 to Linux to Puppy.

I saw the addictive behaviour of the windows experience, and releases that basically went F-L-O-P. The switch to user and admin priviledges handed to everyone else but the user was the last straw. W98-2 went non-support and that was it for me.

Along came the ASUS eee and Linux, and I bought one. Smooth transition with an Office Suite installed. Just like Windows, I had to trim the storage consumption of JVM, and essentially not let the "jars" get filled. Tho not root sudo was my friend. ASUS stopped supporting the OS almost immediately, and Xandros was dead. Tweak this and that, but dead. The kernal was actually limiting the ability to install new stuff, like FF and OpenOffice. Eventually, the "internet-social-media-portal-Internet of things" complained and did not behave well. I needed newer things, more secure things, and a way to maintain it all.

Lurking here since 2008, I saw a lot of changes, and Puppy Distros were catching up to what I needed. But the main limiting factor was and still is the kernel. After sorting thru alot of stuff, the nearest transparent transition was from Xandros to Puppy Slacko 5.5-XL. And thats how I got here... It took time, research, and minimal compromise(s). For those not familiar, the 5.5-XL kernal is 3.2.33-np and can handle newer things.

In return for the opportunity, I remastered a smalller puppy Slacko-5.7 into a near-turn-key pup for those that jest want to get online and browse around. About 85-90% of what I need is doable with the turn-key pup. But when I need letters, forms, spreads, XL is more than adequate.

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PostPosted: Tue 24 Feb 2015, 04:15    Post subject:  

I have never known a kernel version to limit software choices.
win98 was bloody awful...anything would be an improvement.... 2000 and XP ...NT based....at least have a decent stable core... and not being admin is a very good idea in terms of security.

So puppies have no decent low battery warning by default?

Never felt standard pups have been as noob friendly as claimed...but some who have worked on puppy have made some nice improvements in the later releases..... lucid, slacko and tahr come to mind.
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raffy

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PostPosted: Tue 24 Feb 2015, 08:30    Post subject: precise  

The user said that it's "precise puppy", see post above.

That can narrow your inspection. Wink

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PostPosted: Tue 24 Feb 2015, 09:29    Post subject:  

Quote:
The user said that it's "precise puppy", see post above.

yes I know...perhaps its not one of the better releases and is anyone maintaining it at present?

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