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mavrothal


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PostPosted: Sun 22 Feb 2015, 09:06    Post subject:  
Here is another thing that I'm skeptical about.
If the user changes and of the default options other that UI layout elements that upon start PPM shows an info window with the changes as shown in the picture below.
The "problem" I have is that it introduces one more "click" and that is likely that the people that change the defaults know what they are doing and remember it..
Of course an option to show the options could be added Rolling Eyes but I 'm afraid PPM2 is becoming as verbal as PPM...
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PostPosted: Sun 22 Feb 2015, 09:54    Post subject:  
Version 1.9.6 is out
Check the first post for changes and download
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PostPosted: Sun 22 Feb 2015, 12:50    Post subject:
Subject description: green tick icon indicating "Already installed " not in PMM2		  
This may not be the right place to post, but it is the right place to get mavrothal's and bigoup's attention. Smile

I did a multiple download with PPM2 (audacity-2.0.5 and another I don't remember) which appeared to download and install flawlessly. Kudos to the PPM2 team. Very Happy Days later I did not find version 2.1 listed under Multimedia for any of the 3 default repositories. A Search for "audacity" reported 2.0.5 but the familiar green tick icon to indicate it was already installed was not there Shocked , Only when I right-scrolled was there indication that it was already installed; tagged on to the description like an afterthought. Can I suggest restoring the green tick icon? @mavrothal: My contribution to "PPM2 getting as verbal as PPM". Laughing

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PostPosted: Sun 22 Feb 2015, 12:55    Post subject:
Subject description: green tick icon indicating "Already installed " not in PMM2		  
B.K. Johnson wrote:
This may not be the right place to post, but it is the right place to get mavrothal's and bigoup's attention. Smile

I did a multiple download with PPM2 (audacity-2.0.5 and another I don't remember) which appeared to download and install flawlessly. Kudos to the PPM2 team. Very Happy Days later I did not find version 2.1 listed under Multimedia for any of the 3 default repositories. A Search for "audacity" reported 2.0.5 but the familiar green tick icon to indicate it was already installed was not there Shocked , Only when I right-scrolled was there indication that it was already installed; tagged on to the description like an afterthought. Can I suggest restoring the green tick icon? @mavrothal: My contribution to "PPM2 getting as verbal as PPM". Laughing

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in tahrpup.... applying the latest update in quickpet should fix this.... might need reboot to notice change
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PostPosted: Sun 22 Feb 2015, 17:54    Post subject:  
mavrothal wrote:
Here is another thing that I'm skeptical about.
If the user changes and of the default options other that UI layout elements that upon start PPM shows an info window with the changes as shown in the picture below.
The "problem" I have is that it introduces one more "click" and that is likely that the people that change the defaults know what they are doing and remember it..
Of course an option to show the options could be added Rolling Eyes but I 'm afraid PPM2 is becoming as verbal as PPM...

Hard to say one this one.

A warning info, at start up, on what PPM is configured to do, is not a bad idea.
I too am not sure if you would want to see this at each start up.
However, these config changes do have a big affect on how PPM handles downloads and installs.

Would it be possible to add a "do not show" button to the info window.
If you clicked on that button, the next time PPM started, the info window did not appear.
To make it even better, the info window would be triggered to show at next start of PPM, if you made any new config changes.

Now you are adding some complexity Shocked Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun 22 Feb 2015, 18:33    Post subject:  
mavrothal wrote:
bigpup wrote:

The thing that still bothers me about all the error messages. They are talking about a save file as if that is what you probably are using and changing it will correct the problem.


OK then what about these 3 messages that should cover everything and are generic enough when it comes to savemode?

Attached is also the relevant installmodes.sh script

Yes, I like those new error messages. Very Happy

They tell you what the problem is.
Then give you suggestions on what to do to fix the problem.

The true test will come, after some time, with people using this new PPM2.
When they get one of these error messages and see how well they do correcting the problem.

I do have some concern with using a save file, downloading to /root, people will not understand adjusting the size of the save file is all they need to do.
However, newer Puppies are getting away from using save files and moving to using save folders. The save folder is limited only to the size of the partition it is on. So the partition free space is the problem, not the size of a save file.

Suggestion:
You could add to the suggested solutions a statement about save files.
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If using a save file. Adjusting its size may help. Adjust size by using "resize personal storage file"

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PostPosted: Sun 22 Feb 2015, 19:07    Post subject:  
bigpup wrote:

Would it be possible to add a "do not show" button to the info window.
If you clicked on that button, the next time PPM started, the info window did not appear.

What I have actually done in v1.9.6 is to provide an option Rolling Eyes to show or not configuration changes at startup (Zigbert should be totally freaking out by now Embarassed )

bigpup wrote:
You could add to the suggested solutions a statement about save files

I think I'll leave that for the friendly veterans of the forum Wink
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PostPosted: Sun 22 Feb 2015, 19:13    Post subject:
Subject description: green tick icon missing in PPM2		  
@666philb
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in tahrpup.... applying the latest update in quickpet should fix this.... might need reboot to notice change

It works now. Thanks!

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PostPosted: Sun 22 Feb 2015, 19:41    Post subject:  
Could be something I am doing wrong with applying the new version.

Using V1.9.6

Now I am not getting any error messages.
Only thing I see is some info at the bottom of the Ziggy GUI, and most of it is not very accurate.

I am testing using the conditions I used earlier in testing.

I love computers. Just when you think you are smarter than they are . They prove you wrong Twisted Evil Evil or Very Mad Shocked Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun 22 Feb 2015, 19:49    Post subject:  
bigpup wrote:
Now I am not getting any error messages.

So is flawless Very Happy Razz Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Sun 22 Feb 2015, 20:00    Post subject:  
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What I have actually done in v1.9.6 is to provide an option to show or not configuration changes at startup (Zigbert should be totally freaking out by now )

I like that option.
You decide if you want to see the info.

I could see the info being very useful if you have not used PPM for some time.

Zigbert. Show use some love Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun 22 Feb 2015, 20:04    Post subject:  
mavrothal wrote:
bigpup wrote:
Now I am not getting any error messages.

So is flawless Very Happy Razz Twisted Evil

So, it is showing you error messages when it should? Confused
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PostPosted: Sun 22 Feb 2015, 20:24    Post subject:  
bigpup wrote:
mavrothal wrote:
bigpup wrote:
Now I am not getting any error messages.

So is flawless Very Happy Razz Twisted Evil

So, it is showing you error messages when it should? Confused

YES.
I can not see how couldn't you if the space is not there.
Do you see anything in the status bar that says needs 50MB has 10MB and still no error? If yes start from the terminal and see if any error appears.
Just in case, remove /var/local/petget and /root/.packages/download_path
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PostPosted: Mon 23 Feb 2015, 02:28    Post subject:  
After I recovered my computer from the bushes outside my open window.
That felt so good watching it go out the window. Very Happy Evil or Very Mad Laughing

I re-downloaded PPM V1.9.6.
removed /var/local/petget and /root/.packages/download_path.
Deleted all the other updates to PPM to get back to the version that was initially installed.
Installed the new download of PPM V1.9.6

Now it seems to be giving me error messages when it should. Very Happy

I think the window toss cured it. Idea

I kind of like the info message at start up.
Made me think about where I was going to put stuff I downloaded.
In fact, it reminded me I needed to hook the USB drive back in, that I was using to store packages I downloaded and installed.

Thanks for the hard work on this!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Mon 23 Feb 2015, 13:06    Post subject:  
mavrothal wrote:

I'm afraid Ziggy (and many others including myself) thinks other wise.


I have glanced through the subsequent discussions in this Thread and they all seem to fall into the same category as my "complaint".

If people want to make new versions of programs they are free to do so. But the new versions should not automatically be included with updates to the underlying operating system. User's should not be forced to use new versions of programs.

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