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Setting up a Non-profit Oganization in Australia for Puppy.
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daftdog


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PostPosted: Thu 27 Jul 2006, 20:26    Post subject:  Setting up a Non-profit Oganization in Australia for Puppy.  

I am writing this post to create the setting up of a non-profit organization (also called Foundation) in Australia to develop and promote the Puppy software suite. From what I can gather after a bit of googleing we need to create a set of by-laws, choose some board members and register at least with the Australian Taxation Office. It would appear we may also need an Australian Business Number. Also, depending on where the main address is for the Organization we may have to comply with some Local Government rules.

We need to have an initial (incorporation) meeting to set it up and appoint the board members, finalize the bylaws, etc. The bylaws should state things like the purpose(s) for creating the non-profit organization, the membership structure, rules for meetings, etc. This meeting may not neccessarily have to be face-to -face (I haven't found this out for sure yet) but if it is then there shall have to be a few people (in Australia) who can attend. Maybe a few of us in southern WA could get together to do this initial step if needed.

The original posts about this are here (http://www.murga.org/~puppy/viewtopic.php?t=2186), here (http://www.murga.org/~puppy/viewtopic.php?t=7896) and here (http://www.puppylinux.org/wikka/PuppyNonprofit).

For those who are wondering: I recently discovered PuppyLinux and wanted to get involved (http://www.murga.org/~puppy/viewtopic.php?t=9259). Raffy has asked me to help set up a non-profit organization for registration in Australia.

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PostPosted: Fri 28 Jul 2006, 04:10    Post subject: Further to the above...  

Looking a bit further into it I think that a face-to-face incorporation meeting is the best way to go. All follow up meetings can be done in cyberspace. If we use raffy's draft laws (http://www.murga.org/~puppy/viewtopic.php?p=49163&sid=e7d2e7945bb9d365f3dbeb244484004b#49163) as our starting point then people have to sign this. Those at this meeting would become the initial office bearers and then if they do not want to continue in this role they can vacate the position and a subsequent meeting can elect a replacement.
As to the Charter Page (http://puppylinux.org/wikka/CharterPuppy) I assume that most are happy with it.
Is a meeting in Perth the best way to go? I'm sure there are enough people in the area to get this going. If Barry wants to attend we can time this with one of his visits to Perth. I can attend. We need to find 3 or 4 others prepared to help with this initial step.

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PostPosted: Fri 28 Jul 2006, 08:32    Post subject:  

Sounds good, too bad I'm only 14 and in NSW :p
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PostPosted: Fri 28 Jul 2006, 09:12    Post subject:  

Is there a Perth LUG (Linux User Group)?

Getting a Not-4-Profit going is important and it is likely the numbers can be made up by attending a LUG and asking if members will be willing to make up the numbers.

Once the organisation is up we can direct and vote through the web. The face to face meeting is for legal reasons. You could in fact get a group of friends together and tell them what to vote - then have a barbie (if that is the correct vernacular) Try and get Ian to attend - he might bring a vat of Puppy Brew


http://puppylinux.org/wikka/ConnoisseurPage

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PostPosted: Fri 28 Jul 2006, 09:29    Post subject:  

Yes, there is a PLUG. In fact I looked at their stuff when following this up.
Its a good idea. Thanx

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then have a barbie


I was thinking of a coffee shop but a barbie would be more appropriate for this little aussie venture. Smile

As you say, all we need to do is have this face-to=face and then the community takes over via the web.

I've looked in the members lists and will contact all those who are in southern WA/Perth.

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PostPosted: Fri 28 Jul 2006, 10:05    Post subject:  

Great idea, I hope it will work.
Sadly, I can't help much, as I'm not living in Australia..
But go on, Australia is big; there is sure many Puppy-fans there Cool

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PostPosted: Fri 28 Jul 2006, 20:38    Post subject:  

Too big to drive from east to west Razz
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PostPosted: Sat 29 Jul 2006, 03:08    Post subject: Solemnity  

Thanks, daftdog, for initiating this thread. To the curious reader, we're lucky to have daftdog volunteer his time for Puppy, and I specifically requested his help in putting up the first/parent Puppy Linux organization in Puppy's home, WA.

This is the first and parent organization of/for Puppy Linux, and just like any organization being formed, I hope we can give it the dignity and seriousness that it deserves.

To the WA enthusiasts, I hope you can give this important activity part of your scarce time. It will help make the rest of the organized world look up to Puppy.

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PostPosted: Sun 30 Jul 2006, 21:27    Post subject: Update  

So far we have two people willing to attend a meeting in Perth. We need at least one more and preferably another three.

I think that Lobster's idea about using members of the Perth Linux Users Group (PLUG) is good but I feel it would be a shame not to be able to get our meeting going with Puppy enthusiasts. Surely there are enough of us around Perth to do this.

The member lists don't show many locations of members so if you know of a member who lives in the Perth/ south-west WA area please contact them to see if they are interested in helping for a couple of hours one afternoon.

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PostPosted: Mon 31 Jul 2006, 03:43    Post subject:  

Ian lives in Queensland I think (?) Anyway, from anywhere on that side of
Australia it is about 3 or 4 days sunrise-to-sunset driving to get here.
..and maybe that's optimistic. I went to melbourne when a child, with my family,
car and caravan and an alsatian. Took us three weeks.
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PostPosted: Mon 31 Jul 2006, 04:01    Post subject: Re: Setting up a Non-profit Oganization in Australia for Pup  

The primary reason for filing for nonprofit status is the tax break.

Is this needed?

I would submit the following.

In addition to Puppy's taxes, there are also some other individuals here that could benefit.

For example, writing off donations of time and resources:

1-hosting for the forum and any mirror sites
2-time spent working on code, compiling apps and helping posters
3-mileage driven to post advertising


Any of these could possibly be recorded and itemized on a tax return as a write off (here in the U.S. anyway).

*standard disclaimer, I'm no lawyer, economist or tax preparer.
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PostPosted: Wed 02 Aug 2006, 12:33    Post subject: Educators  

Showing this page to WA educators could add enough number to complete the team: http://elgg.net/mberry/weblog

Here is an image of the relevant section:



Of course there are also articles about Puppy at desktoplinux.com, notably this one: http://desktoplinux.com/news/NS2746872300.html

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PostPosted: Thu 03 Aug 2006, 21:27    Post subject:  

Where I live, Perenjori, 350Km north-north-east of Perth (capital city of Western
Australia), despite our very tiny population we have an Economic Development
Officer -- I just found out about him recently, quite a surprise.
Anyway, very friendly guy, keen on Linux, goes to Perth quite often, so he will
probably be willing to help.

What concerns me mostly I guess is the paperwork. The government red tape
here in Australia is awful. If someone is willing to take on the paperwork...
It comes down to what do we get out of it to make it worth doing? -- we have
to balance the effort required to do the paperwork, financial reports, regular
meetings required by law, against whatever gain we perceive.
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PostPosted: Sat 05 Aug 2006, 11:08    Post subject: Red Tape ...and a name  

From someone who has only been involved for a short time and from what I have read I think that the amount of red-tape/paperwork depends on how far the organization is taken. Initially there only needs to be a very loose structure but once you start doing business eg. selling laptops, the paperwork has to grow.

Once we have this initial meeting then further meetings can be on the net.
A log of these meetings could become the record.

I am quite happy to do the initial paperwork ie setting up and any registration necc. This includes doing the paperwork for the first meeting.

Another thing that has to be considered is a name for the organization. My personal choice is Puppy Users Group which has the acronym PUG.
Appropriate to the overall theme I thought.

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PostPosted: Sun 06 Aug 2006, 19:50    Post subject:  

See also our Group Map by Frappr Maps for visual picture of many Puppy users' locations. Don't forget about our meeting this weekend, although i'm not sure if I can/will make it.
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