Going forward with Standard Puppy

[s243a]

Why base it on anything else?

Why not base a Puppy on Puppy. Build our own pets, or better yet SFSes. I believe an SFS is easier to update (an issue lots of people have) programs.

I hear you on that, but at the same time, I feel like Arch works very well for what we need, at least as an initial starting point, from which we can perhaps start building from.

Besides, where would a new Puppy start if we used Pure Puppy, what Kernel and software would we use, how far would it be behind, how much would need to be done to make it work

I'll be honest, I could try it as a side project, but I'll be honest, it would be a crapshoot for my to try

But I'll see how things go. Really what I want to see is a Puppy that finally brings back Tcl/Tk and Gnocl to the forefront and makes it a first-class language like it was back in the day. I'll probably give it a bit of a retro look like an older icon theme, and a tasteful but retro gtk theme. Probably going to avoid anything with GTK3 like the plague for now. Want to kinda make an ISO that is less than 128MB. You know, bring back some of the older puppy traditions and help keep them alive

If you do an arch version of puppylinux will it have antlr2?

It's a dependency of sqlitebrowser. Antlr2 looked too complicated for me to want to compile under fatdog64. Antlr2 is included with archlinux.

For fatdog64 I used squlitestudio instead of squlitebrower. That said Antlr2 looks like a cool tool even though it is likely well beyond my programming ability.


I need an SQLite tool to try and understand the stucture of the FMS (Freenet messaging system) database. FMS is a usenet like application for freenet. For context I mirror the discussion about me trying to install sqlitebrowser at the following link:
http://www.pearltrees.com/s243a/antlr2- ... m196402931

[foxpup]

My first thought was Tahr. It even runs, with some issues, on my very old machine.

But I really like WARY best.
It is pure puppy and still it can handle packages of other distributions.
It runs very well on old machines. It is often on old machines, crashing with windows, that people get to know Puppy.
It is just a pitty the libs are getting old.

Classic Puppy 214X is still very nice too.

[Lassar]

I would say tahrpup64 6.05, but it's getting a bit old.

I think that I read, that Ubuntu 14.04 tahr packages are stating to disappeared from launchpad.

Zenialpup64 should be the standard, even tho it's still in the beta stage.

[rufwoof]

I do think JWM should stay, it's tradition, maybe even see if we could have an option to use the old non-rounded corners version.

That's just part of <WindowsStyle> section

<Corner>4</Corner>

tag where 0 is square, 5 most rounded

Debian + xorg + jwm + pcmanfm are a great combination IMO. jwm is also still being maintained/developed.

I'm running Debian Standard (command line only), with xorg, jwm and pcmanfm file manager installed on top of that for the gui/desktop. A simple single .jwmrc file that I manually tweak as desired. pcmanfm --desktop .... to provide the desktop (icons). I also use pcmanfm as the 'menu' i.e. when you click menu it opens up pcmanfm menu://applications that shows a list of all the menu options (Accessories, System ... etc.) along with a bookmark to /usr/share/applications so all programs (.desktop files) are readily accessible via a single secondary click.

Nice and simple ... really quick, and based on Debian stable so security patches (and their extensive repository of programs) are readily available.

I'm even using the .jwmrc file as the startup control, so it starts pulseaudio, the desktop (pcmanfm --desktop), libre tray launcher, calendar (orage) ...etc.

<StartupCommand>pulseaudio --start</StartupCommand>
<StartupCommand>pcmanfm --desktop</StartupCommand>
<StartupCommand>libreoffice --quickstart --nologo --nodefault</StartupCommand>
<StartupCommand>orage</StartupCommand>

Other than that I've also added in lxappearance (so I can select gtk theme etc.) which, other than pcmanfm's configuration options, pretty much enables the entire desktop style/layout to be configured.

At the other end of the panel to the menu I have a shutdown type button, that includes a edit .jwmrc option for convenience

[Lassar]

I'll add one more thing to the standard.

I think puppy linux should look good out of the box.

That means using icewm instead of jwm.

Something like Win Puppy.

[hamoudoudou]

why do you want to create standard Puppies when the only pleasure for devs is to create different ones.. i don't know how many Linux they are, but fashion i to puppify all of them..
When devs for apps are moved to phones and tablets, better it would be to wonder future of 32 bits apps.. I know devs only develop, they don't use apps. What they call development is just installing applications, as you will install on a camera different lens, just you have to create the seal kit.
Dogs are specialists. But what you can do with your computer has not changed..Bluetooth for instance remains unavailable on most Puppies.. DOS-emulation on the contrary is ok. To play vintage games, without interest.
You still need to use 32 bits apps with your 64 bits OS, Simply because 64 bits not yet developped.