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PostPosted: Sun 21 Sep 2014, 14:37    Post subject:  U.S. Navy routinely spies on citizens  

Navy routinely spies on citizens
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...In this specific case, a Navy Criminal Investigative Service agent in George scanned the computers of every civilian in Washington state who happened to be using the decentralized Gnutella peer-to-peer network, looking for child pornography. The agent, Steve Logan, found child porn on a computer owned by a man named Michael Dreyer.

Logan then passed his evidence on to local law enforcement, who arrested and eventually convicted Dreyer, who was sentenced to 18 years in prison. The US Ninth Circuit of Appeals ruled that this was a massive overstep of military authority, a disturbing trend, and a blatant violation of the Posse Comitatus Act, a law that prohibits the military from conducting investigations on civilians...

It's worth downloading the 168k pdf of the court's decision to read it. Turns out, the law provides penalties for someone in the Army or Air Force who trespasses on civilian turf, but not the Navy!
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PostPosted: Sun 21 Sep 2014, 20:00    Post subject: Re: U.S. Navy routinely spies on citizens  

Flash wrote:

Turns out, the law provides penalties for someone in the Army or Air Force who trespasses on civilian turf, but not the Navy!


A note of thanks to the dim-bulbs that write the laws, and the stupes that vote for them.
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PostPosted: Sat 04 Oct 2014, 12:28    Post subject: Re: U.S. Navy routinely spies on citizens  

Flash wrote:
Navy routinely spies on citizens
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...In this specific case, a Navy Criminal Investigative Service agent in George scanned the computers of every civilian in Washington state who happened to be using the decentralized Gnutella peer-to-peer network, looking for child pornography. The agent, Steve Logan, found child porn on a computer owned by a man named Michael Dreyer.

Logan then passed his evidence on to local law enforcement, who arrested and eventually convicted Dreyer, who was sentenced to 18 years in prison. The US Ninth Circuit of Appeals ruled that this was a massive overstep of military authority, a disturbing trend, and a blatant violation of the Posse Comitatus Act, a law that prohibits the military from conducting investigations on civilians...

It's worth downloading the 168k pdf of the court's decision to read it. Turns out, the law provides penalties for someone in the Army or Air Force who trespasses on civilian turf, but not the Navy!


Goes beyond that, amercan agencys swore in court they dont spy on innocent civilians of their own country and to an extent thats true, they just do a loophole and hand the work over to "other" countrys...... Thats all I can say.....
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PostPosted: Sat 04 Oct 2014, 14:50    Post subject:  

This might help some in understanding the complex nature of current civilization (I mean this collectively).

By a show of hands, how many know what Maritime Law is? How many know that Corporations operate under Maritime Law (not Single owner or Partnerships, but Corporations)? How many know that the body of Maritime Laws are different from domestic law throughout the world? And how many know what positions Maritimers in terms of citizenry?

If we understand this, we can see why current Laws in US (and others) provide this kind of operations as it also extends to US Navy. Hint: Jurisdiction

With a little knowledge, and expanding this knowledge to others can be beneficial is the steps necessary to redesign the world as it currently operates. In 2014, members on EVERY continent has taken more steps to begin a change in the past order of things in the world. If begins with knowledge and understanding, first, then sharing that knowledge and understanding while recognizing THEY don't want you to know.

Sometimes, though, an accurate concept can get out there and spread far too quickly for it to be shutdown before THEY begin damage control to stunt or regress the knowledgeable concept(s).

Thanks @Flash
P.S. I do understand the courts ruling on this case, too. For example I know the case does NOT stop the NAVY ability, but it does stop some Admiral deciding he can initiate and influence local policing for whatever means he chooses.

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PostPosted: Sun 05 Oct 2014, 13:57    Post subject:  

IN THE NAVY we like to spy on your butt
IN THE NAVY on you search warrants we put
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PostPosted: Sun 05 Oct 2014, 14:51    Post subject:  

Actually, no search warrants. That's the point. Sad
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