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Should Studio 13.37 v2 be free? (answered: No)
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technosaurus


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PostPosted: Thu 31 Jul 2014, 01:35    Post subject:  

$9.99? if you want audiophiles to take it seriously -> $499.99 with a $99.99 sale price and a 50% discount for students.

If you have original code/whatever included with it, one model that I have seen to raise funds is to have a kickstarter style campaign to release code, artwork, multimedia to the public domain once $XXX is reached.

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stemsee

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PostPosted: Thu 31 Jul 2014, 04:16    Post subject:  

l0wt3ch wrote:
My kernels are often updated, but I don't advertise it because there's no easy way to upgrade,


Checkout github woof-ce kernel kit. Using fatdog style initrd and vmlinuz and kernel-modules.sfs (zdrv_*.sfs) Shinobar's initrd is better; is the easiest way to upgrade kernels!

Also note some recent MBs do not boot off of usb-3.0 dongles in usb-2.0 sockets but are readable after boot... in case!
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l0wt3ch

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Aug 2014, 14:13    Post subject:  

technosaurus wrote:
$9.99? if you want audiophiles to take it seriously -> $499.99 with a $99.99 sale price and a 50% discount for students.


Thanks. Pricing is a good question. I'm going to change the price of the download version to something a bit higher, but less than half the price of the usb version. I actually really like your suggestion, and imagine you're right, but...
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l0wt3ch

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Aug 2014, 14:15    Post subject:  

stemsee wrote:
Checkout github woof-ce kernel kit. Using fatdog style initrd and vmlinuz and kernel-modules.sfs (zdrv_*.sfs) Shinobar's initrd is better; is the easiest way to upgrade kernels!


I'll look into it!

Thanks!
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stemsee

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Aug 2014, 14:55    Post subject:  

I am trying to buy the digital download but paypal says the website has a problem!
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l0wt3ch

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Aug 2014, 17:38    Post subject:  

Please wait, the iso hasn't been uploaded yet!

edit: I've changed the website to say "coming soon".
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darkcity


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PostPosted: Tue 05 Aug 2014, 11:49    Post subject:  

l0wt3ch wrote:
OK! This has been up for 10 days, and it's time to close the poll. The results are (in order of appearance):

FOR: cthisbear 8-bit RSH puppyluvr ciento mcewanw stemsee Deacon
AGAINST: l0wt3ch starhawk matiasbatero darkcity

The yeas have it, 2 to 1.

So there will be another commercial release of Studio 13.37. Stay tuned to this channel for further details. Very Happy


Please don't misrepresent me. My post was neither a nay or a yay, but a comment.

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Deacon


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PostPosted: Sun 17 Aug 2014, 03:40    Post subject:  

l0wt3ch wrote:
OK! This has been up for 10 days, and it's time to close the poll. The results are (in order of appearance):

FOR: cthisbear 8-bit RSH puppyluvr ciento mcewanw stemsee Deacon
AGAINST: l0wt3ch starhawk matiasbatero darkcity

The yeas have it, 2 to 1.

So there will be another commercial release of Studio 13.37. Stay tuned to this channel for further details. Very Happy


Nice! And the video is great! -- just sent you a message.
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Pelo

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PostPosted: Sun 10 Sep 2017, 22:16    Post subject: new version 2017  

new version 2017
Sure i will not pay for computing. just for wireless ADSL is enough, and for a brand new battery, quite expensive.

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PostPosted: Sun 21 Jul 2019, 16:22    Post subject:  

GPL2 and 3 apply.
It is that simple.
Follow and comply with the requirements.

As to paying for it.
This is a good example of what is considered acceptable to charge for the service of providing Linux OS's
Osdisc
https://www.osdisc.com/products/puppy

Red Hat is the big Linux OS that charges money.
But you are paying for technical support not the OS and other services that require physical servers, repositories, cloud storage, etc.... that cost money to provide.
A company using Red Hat is basically paying Red HAT to be their computer technical department.

The free to use version is CentOS. It is exactly the same as Redhat Enterprise Linux, except branding information and subscription has been removed and CentOS community re-pack the RHEL packages into CentOS.
That thing is a 4.3GB iso Shocked Rolling Eyes
Well, the small version is only 998MB Laughing

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wiak

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PostPosted: Sun 21 Jul 2019, 18:35    Post subject:  

Work is work and asking to be paid for it is perfectly okay. The market decides.

Size of distro download/hard disk storage space is all but irrelevant nowadays. I have no idea why people worry about needing 1 GB or 5 GB to store a distribution on their harddrive. Even 10 year old computers support hard drives of 100 GB and more and can even quite cheaply by 32GB or 64GB usb flash sticks. Most distros can be configured to use efficient window manager and not run too many services so can run perfecly fine and fast on pretty old machines. Low RAM of less than 2GB is the only major concern and that effects all distros, large and small, near enough the same - the issue is generally the browser filling up the RAM when loading RAM-hungry webpages such as Gmail.

Whether a Pup is 100MB or 300MB is no big deal.

wiak

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l0wt3ch

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PostPosted: Mon 22 Jul 2019, 02:18    Post subject:  

Little-known fact: "Redhat Enterprise Linux Server Entry Level, Self Support" costs $349 and you get ZERO support: https://www.redhat.com/en/store/red-hat-enterprise-linux-server#?sku=RH00005

So Redhat doesn't just sell support. That is a myth.

Did you know I went to see Richard Stallman speak back in university? You should read up on what he says about selling GPL'ed software. "Richard Stallman approves."
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bigpup


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PostPosted: Mon 22 Jul 2019, 03:22    Post subject:  

"Redhat Enterprise Linux Server Entry Level, Self Support" is still paying for access to Red Hat services.
Only no hand holding.
That is to me a high price just to get access to their other resources!
One Example:
Quote:
Can I use RedHat without subscription?
Yes, you have to have an active RHEL subscription to download packages from RHEL's repositories. If your machine has never been subscribed, or the subscription is expired, you will not be able to use any of the repositories provided by RHEL.Sep 9, 2013


The Red Hat OS is still offered as a free download as Centos.

Again, follow the rules and requirements of GPL 2 and 3.

Speaking of free.
Anyone that has a Windows 7 OS can still get the Windows 10 update free.
Just did one.
I was going to post a topic on how, but this is Puppy Linux forum.

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PostPosted: Mon 22 Jul 2019, 03:36    Post subject:  

l0wt3ch is right there is no problem with making money with Open source Software. Only problem is those that moan about said person earning anything (as long as they follow what ever GPL their software is licensed under.
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PostPosted: Mon 22 Jul 2019, 04:18    Post subject:  

This will really muddy the issue, but give you some good info about charging for free software.
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html

You have the right to charge a price for free software.
I have a right to not pay it. Shocked

If it is using Puppy Linux as the base OS.
We all want some of that money.
We all worked on the Puppy OS. Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation

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