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01micko


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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jun 2014, 07:03    Post subject:  Everything is Broken
Subject description: A long read but interesting
 

Once upon a time, a friend of mine accidentally took over thousands of computers. He had found a vulnerability in a piece of software and started playing with it. In the process, he figured out how to get total administration access over a network. He put it in a script, and ran it to see what would happen, then went to bed for about four hours. Next morning on the way to work he checked on it, and discovered he was now lord and master of about 50,000 computers. After nearly vomiting in fear he killed the whole thing and deleted all the files associated with it. In the end he said he threw the hard drive into a bonfire...

IgnorantGuru (mastermind of SpaceFM filemanager) posted a long rant similar about six months ago. Take it FWIW.

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James C


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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jun 2014, 08:04    Post subject:  

Really good read.
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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jun 2014, 17:31    Post subject:  

This gal took the red pill, so what. She didn't bend my spoon.
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Jun 2014, 01:28    Post subject:  

Another typical "you are doomed!" type story with no substance, started by typical big words and big claims to attract attention, written by born-yesterday "tech" journalist, capitalising on her friendship with folks in "infosec" circles, trying to hit it big.

I read the article until I read "C is good for two things: being beautiful and creating catastrophic 0days in memory management". So what language did she recommend, then? Oh, right - none - she does not write computer programs. She's a journalist.

And this gem: "Written by people with either no time or no money, most software gets shipped the moment it works well enough to let someone go home and see their family. What we get is mostly terrible." Yes, perhaps, we all drop all these programming jobs and becomes journalists instead. Everyone knows that unlike in software world, journalists have no deadline pressure, don't have to eat, have no family to look forward to when they go home, and don't get pushed to write crappy or filler stories because they have to fill the empty space in the newspaper in time or update the blogs to attract viewers. Plus, you can still have good conscience: if a journalist writes awful pieces anyway, no one will get hurt. What, no developer means no more software for my iPad? Good - don't spend too much time on that iPad, use the time to think and come up with more stories instead! Wow, total productivity gain.

I gave up when she said "people, as well, are broken". So what, we should cease to be because we are all broken? Laughing

Her last words are: "So yes, the geeks and the executives and the agents and the military have fucked the world. But in the end, it’s the job of the people, working together, to unfuck it.". Translated: "I don't have a solution either, but it is *your* (=somebody else's) responsibility to fix it. Now go away while I'm having my cuppa and writing more stories.". Yeah, a good one.

PS: IgnorantGuru's articles, on the other hand, I respect a lot, not only because he has the credentials, but also because he gives sound reasoning for them, While I don't agree with all of his points, I (unfortunately have to) agree with most of them.

EDIT: Add more sarcasm.

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Jun 2014, 04:30    Post subject:  

Glad you enjoyed it! Razz

It is just a rant which I found entertaining on some level; well it made me laugh. Just as IgnorantGuru's is, although on a different level with different motivation; and also made me laugh. It probably deserves it's own post here, but I'll leave that to you since you discovered it and posted on your blog (@jamesbond). @James C, you may have read that one already.

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Jun 2014, 08:37    Post subject: Humorous look at people & computer security  

Article 2 - IgnorantGuru's
Great expression of how coding and security (maybe insecurity is a better wording) provides right of passage (exploitation) expressed in a personal journey to manifestion.

Article 1 - "Everything is Broken"
Any written article comes to us with a point of view. The point of view of this one, is a clever postulate. Accurate for most of us as she points to the structure of things.

Its a humorous expression on the base of the problems in interworking code all the way to those who understand and have the means to exploit it to their benefit.

Liked (and laughed) the way it was presented. Wink

This would work as a great stand-up act at a security convention. Hmmm...

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Jun 2014, 09:58    Post subject:  

I liked the article. It was very informative.
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Jun 2014, 22:01    Post subject:  

I did the same discovery some time ago, but I didn't throw away the code! My version has the advantage of being totally undetectable, if you don't believe me, check your network connections! But I have decided to limit myself to be lord and master of only 29655 computers, it takes too much time to handle more than that.

Purely by coincidence, that is the number of registered users on this forum... Cool

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Jun 2014, 03:48    Post subject:  

tallboy wrote:
I did the same discovery some time ago, but I didn't throw away the code! My version has the advantage of being totally undetectable, if you don't believe me, check your network connections! But I have decided to limit myself to be lord and master of only 29655 computers, it takes too much time to handle more than that.

Purely by coincidence, that is the number of registered users on this forum... Cool

tallboy (or is it?)

Laughing DAMN! I bet you are really a Chinese hacker (no offence intended to anyone Chinese, just that my host got hacked early today and my site is down).

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Jun 2014, 06:22    Post subject:  

tallboy wrote:
I did the same discovery some time ago, but I didn't throw away the code! My version has the advantage of being totally undetectable, if you don't believe me, check your network connections! But I have decided to limit myself to be lord and master of only 29655 computers, it takes too much time to handle more than that.

Purely by coincidence, that is the number of registered users on this forum... Cool

tallboy (or is it?)

So....that explains the anomalies in the attached image, taken from my current desktop a couple of minutes ago..? Rolling Eyes

And did you also have a hand in the demise of the HDD in my mac a few days ago??

Or....the sound carking it in my HD Media Player/Recorder only a few days before that???

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Jun 2014, 10:49    Post subject:  

01micko wrote:
tallboy wrote:
I did ...
DAMN! ... my host got hacked early today and my site is down
Did anyone else notice, too, that "Smokey01's mainpage" is down? 3 persons, with current issues, are seemingly from the land down-under (always liked that song, though Arrow Australia's Got Talent ).

Probably, all coincidental?
Edit: Forgot 2 questions marks. Now added properly.

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Jun 2014, 12:09    Post subject:  

gcmartin wrote:
Probably, all coincidental

I don't believe in coincidences.

Like the deaths of....
JFK
Martin Luther King Junior
Robert Kennedy
JFK's son
John Lennon
Princess Dianna
And MANY more.

All coincidences, right? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat 14 Jun 2014, 16:14    Post subject:  

I don't think russoodle's site has any issues atm,

Don't know about Grant (smokey01). Haven't seen him in a while which is unusual. All my files on his site are ok.Besides, his server is in the US.

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Jun 2014, 19:17    Post subject:  

I'm sorry to disappoint you all, but I'm afraid my code didn't work very well after all, the only mishaps I manage turn out to be my own! Sad For example losing 20 years of collected engine/car related data (I am a motor engineer), all my notes and tips on Puppy since v.2 something, and lots and lots of other vital stuff as I fried my 160Gig LaCie USB HDD while reading up on different backup strategies... Embarassed

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Jun 2014, 21:31    Post subject:  

How exactly did the drive fry? There may be a way to get it back, depending...
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