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mikeb


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PostPosted: Fri 05 Dec 2014, 15:40    Post subject:  

All I can say is that when it comes to IT teachers are idiots...always have been and probably will continue to be.

We home school so the kids have a chance to actually learn something useful.

I could say more but I am probably preaching to several converted.

Mike
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darry1966


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PostPosted: Fri 05 Dec 2014, 21:13    Post subject:  

mikeb wrote:
All I can say is that when it comes to IT teachers are idiots...always have been and probably will continue to be.

We home school so the kids have a chance to actually learn something useful.

I could say more but I am probably preaching to several converted.

Mike


I second that Mikeb.

My the way Mike just curious is there a way to hack Windows so that you can use another Window Manager other than windows Explorer so that your hooks as were are lessened even further by the underlying system using something more much in the way you can replace Rox-filer with say thunar or PCMANfm in Linux for everything from wallpaper to file management????

Basically is there an alternative to Explorer shell or Underlying explorer system management?? So you don't get windows explorer is not responding messages.
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PostPosted: Fri 05 Dec 2014, 21:53    Post subject:  

darry1966 wrote:
Basically is there an alternative to Explorer shell or Underlying explorer system management?? So you don't get windows explorer is not responding messages.


Hi...

It appears that there are window manager utilities like the ones here and here, but I'm not sure you can remove or uncouple windows explorer from the OS, or at least not easily. Neutral

You would also need to check if the EULA permits this for the version of Windows you're using.

Regards...

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PostPosted: Fri 05 Dec 2014, 21:59    Post subject:  

https://windows.kde.org/

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The KDE on Windows Initiative is an ongoing project to port the KDE applications to MS Windows. Currently supported versions of Windows are XP, Vista and 7.


https://techbase.kde.org/Projects/KDE_on_Windows/Installation
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PostPosted: Fri 05 Dec 2014, 22:04    Post subject:  



http://www.freecommander.com/fc_shots_en.htm
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PostPosted: Fri 05 Dec 2014, 23:29    Post subject:  

thanks guys.
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mikeb


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PostPosted: Sat 06 Dec 2014, 04:24    Post subject:  

Well they all use the same apis anyway.

If you truly remove the IE stuff those 'explorer not responding' occurrences disappear anyway....along with undesirable software Smile

I think it was most dramatic on 98 whaich went from hopeless to a stable safe system....by the way that could use the windows 95 windows explorer.

I just use windows explorer.... works the best once decluttered being the native bunny..... browsui is still called up as that became part of it in a non removeable way as are the internet temp/history...but they have no active X/IE/mshtml hooks to do anything bad with.

If you get the fetish you could always change the desktop program in the registry...even use progman!!...I did play with talisman....but they all ended up clumsy compared to native.

By th e way the test for a truly removed IE is to put a web address in the windows explorer address bar and see what happens.... nothing is the aim....

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PostPosted: Sat 06 Dec 2014, 22:43    Post subject:  

For windows version before Windows 95, you had Calmira has a 3rd party Windows shell. It was actually developed for Windows 3.1 after the year 2000 came.
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PostPosted: Sun 07 Dec 2014, 00:48    Post subject:  

mikeb wrote:
Well they all use the same apis anyway.

If you truly remove the IE stuff those 'explorer not responding' occurrences disappear anyway....along with undesirable software Smile

I think it was most dramatic on 98 whaich went from hopeless to a stable safe system....by the way that could use the windows 95 windows explorer.

I just use windows explorer.... works the best once decluttered being the native bunny..... browsui is still called up as that became part of it in a non removeable way as are the internet temp/history...but they have no active X/IE/mshtml hooks to do anything bad with.

If you get the fetish you could always change the desktop program in the registry...even use progman!!...I did play with talisman....but they all ended up clumsy compared to native.

By th e way the test for a truly removed IE is to put a web address in the windows explorer address bar and see what happens.... nothing is the aim....

mike


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For windows version before Windows 95, you had Calmira has a 3rd party Windows shell. It was actually developed for Windows 3.1 after the year 2000 came.


Thanks Guys for the replies. wow Progman that takes me back to my 3.1 days.

http://www.calmira.de/
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PostPosted: Sun 07 Dec 2014, 00:55    Post subject:  

More Calmira Links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calmira
http://www.d.burgess.clara.net/calmira.htm
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PostPosted: Sun 07 Dec 2014, 06:22    Post subject:  

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but I'm not sure you can remove or uncouple windows explorer from the OS


shell changing has always been an option on NT...... beyond logging in its your choice as such.

It will not change file open dialogs and similar but they come from shell32...hmm not a full shell change really just the desktop and filebrowser.... assume a replacement for the latter is around.

Some did try to use the NT4 explorer but its a non starter unfortunately.

Again don't be running outlook express from yer alternative desktop...that would be naughty.

By the way 'view my desktop as a web page ' must have been the pinnacle of computer and security stupidity Very Happy I suppose if you owned the internet it made more sense...ah megalomania and monopolies are fun to watch.

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PostPosted: Sun 07 Dec 2014, 07:04    Post subject:  

mikeb wrote:
'view my desktop as a web page '


Wow, I haven't seen that in a while! I think the last time was on Windows 98 running Internet Explorer 4 or something like that. Laughing

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PostPosted: Sun 07 Dec 2014, 12:42    Post subject:  

MikeB your comments on schools are apropos. I'm on our district school board and am fighting district union IT and administration over their adoption of Chromebooks for students, Google groups and apps for all staff, teachers etc.

I'd rather see Linux and GNU as a direction for the future. And limitations on the need to connect and share huge volumes of unnecessary and or confidential student performance information, tracking etc. with commercial outfits.

I took home a Chromebook of a type they are considering buying for all the elementary school kids, and tried to simply back up the OS, according to Google's instructions. It required a connection to the Internet to accomplish, and 5 attempts which lasted up to 12 hours failed to do even that. The cancel button didn't work either and there was no progress indicator -- just a spinning icon. Total and absolute crap! I didn't even bother to install a Linux dual boot system, because I couldn't back up what was a piece of school property.

Even more amazing, the district union is addressing the privacy issue now with a proposal to have students sign an agreement to give up ALL rights to privacy and confidentiality. That's IT's and administration's solution to data security problems. Wiggling out of liability. That's the only issue.

Well you ask, why should students want or need privacy? Similar question to the commonly expressed idea that says if you don't patronize porn websites you shouldn't worry about malware.

Here's why students, parents, teachers, and administrators and IT heads should give a damn about what they REQUIRE kids to use, while forcing them to sign waivers:

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/data-mining-your-children-106676.html

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PostPosted: Sun 07 Dec 2014, 13:47    Post subject:  

Yes... my glib comment does glide over the wider issues behind it.

I also find they are very good at spending other peoples money with little thought to value and long term use and other consequences and being non technical will be easily swayed by whoever buys the best slap up meal during the sales hype....hey it works for drug companies all the time.

Educational establishments should be remaining neutral in regards to what they use...forcing one companies or anothers software is not a good investment for anyones future. Apart from the obvious, what happens when big corp A no longer is interested in software b or machine c or system y and student x has not a clue how to work with anything else.

Sure use google, MS and so forth..... and at the same time go for open file/document standards so there is always a choice and you are not locked into one companies system.

Another aspect is since say MS force buying new hardware all the time... and google will undoubtedly be on the same path...it can become very expensive for parents to keep up with this gravy train as well as all the other items schools seem to require now.

If you have kids at school...protest...kick up a fuss...boycott any attempt to railroad anything that smells of someone elses fast buck. .

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PostPosted: Sun 07 Dec 2014, 16:26    Post subject:  

Exactly Mike.

Everybody here keeps saying kids need "tech" at school, which they equate with the ability to touch type and run canned applications.

Thus they now believe that high speed Internet access is essential to run a cloud based typing program that monitors kids performance after they provide personal details, email address, then log in and sign a user agreement.

The concept that a typing program could run locally on a machine without logging into Google, or worse, is incomprehensible. Yet some of the earliest applications in the PC revolution were typing tutors! They're a dime a dozen.

To me, if you want to teach "tech", give kids a Raspberry Pi, let them take it home and try programming something -- just like it was in the late 70's early 80's Let them learn by doing.

Legend here says when and if "rednecks" make a gift of a car to their kids, they take apart the motor first. Kid then has to put it together to get it to run.

Redneck? No, It's just a true understanding of the best education principles.

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