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NEW ! ! Saucy Salamandar CE with kernel-3.15.0-rc6 !
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stemsee

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PostPosted: Tue 27 May 2014, 12:22    Post subject:  NEW ! ! Saucy Salamandar CE with kernel-3.15.0-rc6 !
Subject description: fresh out the oven
 

Get yourselves a grey hound

Saucy EmCE.iso

145mb iso !

stripped a lot of stuff out, quite minimal, too minimal for novices perhaps. Good for use as a building block.

kernel-3.15-rc6
oops!

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4GhZVmB2RkwVFdfV1ZhT252SFk/edit?usp=1

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PostPosted: Tue 27 May 2014, 14:52    Post subject:  

mirrored here: http://archive.org/details/Puppy_Linux_Saucy

well done stemsee, uploading to the archive, will take her for a spin in a while

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PostPosted: Tue 27 May 2014, 15:12    Post subject:  

Wot, no terminal?!!
If desktop icons are unused, I think they should have been removed.
No sound either.
Can't find firefox yet either. Apart from that, running quite well from USB on a 2ghz Pentium lappie from 2005.
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PostPosted: Tue 27 May 2014, 15:18    Post subject: i told you
Subject description: not for novices!!
 

aha

use ppm to install one you like, lxterminal for example, or you can load as sfs your favourite puppy base or main .sfs trry it!!!
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PostPosted: Tue 27 May 2014, 15:22    Post subject: Re: NEW ! ! Saucy Salamandar CE KERNEL 3.15.0-rc6 !
Subject description: fresh out the oven
 

stemsee wrote:
Get yourselves a grey hound

Saucy EmCE.iso

145mb iso !

stripped a lot of stuff out, quite minimal, too minimal for novices perhaps. Good for use as a building block.

kernel-3.15-rc6
firefox

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4GhZVmB2RkwVFdfV1ZhT252SFk/edit?usp=1

stemsee


Shocking! It's up and running, kernel-3.15-rc6 and all on a pre-Dothan Pentium M. Those had PAE, but the flag was disabled. For the first time, I used forcepae as a kernel parameter in Grub4Dos...
Quote:
title Experimental currently saucy
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /Experimental/initrd.gz
kernel /Experimental/vmlinuz forcepae psubdir=Experimental pmedia=ataflash pfix=copy
ipv6.disable=1
initrd /Experimental/initrd.gz

and up it came on...
Quote:
-Processor-
Name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1600MHz
Family, model, stepping : 6, 9, 5 (Pentium M)
Vendor : Intel


Wireless, video resolution flawless. Posting from it (Opera portable) now. A big leap for this old lappie.

More later on sound etc.

Edited: Processor name corrected. Thanks Keef.

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PostPosted: Tue 27 May 2014, 15:28    Post subject:  

Hi, stemcee.

Miam... a juicy new bone for the two-legged Puppies! Smile Downloading now!

TWUL

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PostPosted: Tue 27 May 2014, 15:31    Post subject: try this
Subject description: Marv
 

If you got slacko.sfs or puppy_precise_5.7.1.sfs load it as an sfs load on the fly. that is the idea. That way you get a new kerne libs etc and your favourite old base system.

Happy for you Marv.

If you don't load some other base.sfs then use ppm to reinstall alsa base and alsa-common and deps. Or i can share a savefile with it already in there, what i did today. but it wouldn't remaster properly!!

ALLY

please rename the iso with EmCE in there somewhere! cheers!!
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PostPosted: Tue 27 May 2014, 22:28    Post subject:  

Loading process hangs just before launching X... Can't test, sorry!
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PostPosted: Wed 28 May 2014, 01:32    Post subject: musher0
Subject description: try enter
 

Musher0
did you try pressing 'enter'/


Anyway I just recompiled the same kernel and I will post a remaster shortly, with functioning sound and firefox and a merlin mixer and unused desktop icons gone.
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PostPosted: Wed 28 May 2014, 03:46    Post subject:  

The computer just froze. No keyboard access.
I had to reboot manually by pushing the boot button on the computer face.

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PostPosted: Wed 28 May 2014, 06:46    Post subject:  

Hello stemsee

It's amazing: you can breed puppies faster than I can keep up! But I've tried this one.

What I have found:

It boots to a desktop

The Radeon driver is missing so it says its using ATI but the X.org log looks like vesa.

Pfind in not included, and I'm lost without that. So I can't say how much of the Radeon drive is missing.

My AMD RS880G chipset can operate in UMS or KMS mode, so it will almost always work. But for newer AMD graphics KMS is required.

I tried what you said, and loaded the base SFS from Pemasu's Raring 3.9.9.2, at startup, being the nearest Ubuntu puppy.

When I booted it obviously found the Radeon driver, from there, because it modeswitched during the text mode so it had loaded the KMS mode. But then X.org would not start. I would think a "version mismatch" error, between the radeon kernel module and the radeon driver from Raring.

One other problem is an error message while booting after saucy has been run: "Drive was not properly unmounted"

That was in the scrolling onscreen messages. Win2k complains too.

I expect it is a Woof CE bug, because 01micko's Slacko64 does that as well.

Note: I am running from a FAT32 partition.

Thanks for your efforts. Very interesting.

EDIT:

After some investigation...

The X.org radeon driver won't load because libglamor in missing

The radeon kernel module won't load because the firmware r600_rlc.bin is missing.

There are only 27 items in /lib/firmware/radeon compared with 59 in Pemasu's Precise.

I'll fix that and try again

EDIT 2

Those two items fixed it. So now it loads the correct radeon driver with KMS and 2D acceleration working.

AIGLX 3D acceleration fails, as usual, with the spurious dependency on LLVM. But you don't want that because its HUGE and can easily be loaded from the package manager.

Thanks again.

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PostPosted: Wed 28 May 2014, 08:38    Post subject:  

stemsee wrote:


Anyway I just recompiled the same kernel and I will post a remaster shortly, with functioning sound and firefox and a merlin mixer and unused desktop icons gone.


Thanks. This old dog learned a new trick or two from this pup already. By the way, in the process I unsquashed the sfs and when resquashing used the alternate compression parameters (still xz) in dir2sfs and the resultant sfs goes from 139 Mb to 103 Mb. The relevant lines showing the parameters are 29 to 34 or so in the attached dir2sfs.
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PostPosted: Wed 28 May 2014, 09:31    Post subject:  

Marv wrote:
...By the way, in the process I unsquashed the sfs and when resquashing used the alternate compression parameters (still xz) in dir2sfs and the resultant sfs goes from 139 Mb to 103 Mb. The relevant lines showing the parameters are 29 to 34 or so in the attached dir2sfs.

Regarding the size this command will make it even smaller than the one from dir2sfs ( I guess under 100Mb):
Code:
mksquashfs /path-to-dir /path-to/some-name.sfs -b 1048576 -comp xz -Xbcj x86

Or just replace the COMP= part in line 32 with this:
Code:
"-comp xz -b 1048576 -Xbcj x86"

I think this is the maximum compression you can get with squashfs xz.

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PostPosted: Wed 28 May 2014, 09:59    Post subject:  

musher0 wrote:
The computer just froze. No keyboard access.
I had to reboot manually by pushing the boot button on the computer face.


Hello, stemsee.

I tried again, this time with all files at the same level.*
Same thing, it freezes at "loading kernel modules".

I am attaching a hard info report, if it can be of any help. As an afterthought, would
your PuppySaucy be allergic to certain grub4dos settings?

Best regards.

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* See my folder listing. The first time, initrd and vmlinuz were in
/mnt/sda9/PuppySaucy-5.8/launch and the sfs was in /mnt/sda9/PuppySaucy-5.8.
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PostPosted: Wed 28 May 2014, 15:09    Post subject: WoW !
Subject description: nice
 

Excellent feedback everyone.

I am going to try these optimisations from marv and saintless!

I rebuilt the thing early this morning with a recompiled kernel for Highmem=4gb, so now the kernel sees 3GB instead of 1GB yesterday !! Even though pae is set it doesn't seem to work on this bleeding edge kernel! But it doesn't make any difference to the wonderful performance it brings to my pup.

Any missing libs apps firmware can be downloaded from the fully functional PPM (puppy package manager).

I am trying an experiment that came after using debiandog, ie putting a *.squashfs file in the live directory gets it loaded at boot time. I imagine it uses a wildcard * with extension .squashfs to find such files. If my experiment works then musher0 wil be able to prepare an sfs from some other pup with whatever is missing at the moment and it will load with the base.sfs and any other sfs in the root folder.

I still have to strip much more stuff away though --- if only I knew which files were needed to boot to gui and load an sfs and ppm, that would be all that is needed. Everything else would be brought to the party by the guest base.sfs

I actually build about two/day but i don't post iso experiments which i think are not useful generally. But I will persue this new idea, because i need it. Therefore i tend not to maintain my own distros, it is more interesting to build new ones. But this one is interesting!
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