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jrb


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PostPosted: Wed 25 Dec 2019, 09:14    Post subject: Re: Palemoon 28.8.0 in lupu2016 missing gdkpixbuf2?  

sindi wrote:
I tried this in lupu2016 and got a GdkPixBuf error, which someone else who installed Komodo fixed by installing gdkpixbuf2, which lupu2016 does not have in package manager.
Racy has libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0
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sindi

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PostPosted: Wed 25 Dec 2019, 10:29    Post subject: palemoon 219 tweak in lupu2016 needs /usr/lib/gdk_pixbuf-2.0  

I copied over the one libgdk_pixbuf lib to /usr/lib/palemoon/glibc/lib/
but the next error message is that it cannot fix a directory:
/usr/lib/gdk_pixbuf-2.0. Does lupu 5.2.8... have that?
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Mike Walsh


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PostPosted: Fri 27 Dec 2019, 12:08    Post subject:  

@ all:-

Now then; is it just me, or has anybody else noticed just how long Palemoon takes to fire up, ever since the update to 28.8.0?

I'm talking about a relatively powerful Puppy desktop here; 64-bit dual-core Athlon64 X2 CPU, 3 GB RAM, large amounts of storage space (in assorted flavours). Previous releases fired-up relatively quickly, yet this one takes nearly 40 seconds until there's any signs of life!

Just wondered if I'm the only one to notice this..?


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Wiz57


Joined: 03 Feb 2019
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PostPosted: Fri 27 Dec 2019, 12:21    Post subject:  

Mike,
Have noticed a bit of slowdown in Pale Moon startup the first start after
a boot, but subsequent closing and restarts don't seem to be affected
too much. This is with PM 28.8.0 32 bit, ScPupLXQt 32 bit, frugal install
on shared HDD with other pups and WinXP...also haven't seen a huge
slow down in regular ScPup 32. In XP, I use a fork of PM called New
Moon by Roytam, but have a few add-ons with it that slow initial start
a bit more than the Linux PMs exhibit without add-ons (I use Pup
Advert Block in my puppies).

Acer Aspire One AO150, Intel Atom N270 CPU, 1.6 gHz, 1 gb RAM, 120 gb HDD
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sindi

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PostPosted: Fri 27 Dec 2019, 12:47    Post subject: PM 28.8 10 sec startup on DELL 600M Racy 5.5 glibc 2.2.0  

X takes about 5 seconds to load, then Pale Moon is relatively quick on this 2004 laptop, single-core, 1.4GHz, 512MB RAM.
Only add-on is eta-matrix, disabled. We use My Pal with XP.
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PostPosted: Fri 27 Dec 2019, 19:39    Post subject:  

First time startup.
About 5 to 10 seconds.
That is about normal now.

Quote:
takes nearly 40

That seems a little too long to start.
Any errors reported if run from terminal?

If you have installed Pale Moon or done any updates.
It is all coming from the save, which is not loaded into RAM, but only loaded as read/write.
So, Pale Moon is read from the save and than loaded into RAM.
Takes time to do that.
Plus, who really knows, what other programs it starts, as dependencies, needed to run. plugin programs, add-ons, etc......

After you have used PaleMoon and close it.
It is still loaded in the RAM cache, because you may want to use it again.
Second start will be very fast. It is already in RAM.

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6502coder


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PostPosted: Fri 27 Dec 2019, 21:59    Post subject:  

I've got Palemoon 28.8.0 32-bit running on my 1.3 GHz Celeron laptop, 1 GB RAM, running the most recent Slacko 5.8.3 by Sailor Enceladus. Not seeing any sluggishness here.

Palemoon's window appears in about 9 seconds, although it takes another second or two for PM to become responsive to mouse events.

I also have DPupStretch 7.5 RC 5 installed on this machine. I get the same startup times for Palemoon on that OS.
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Mike Walsh


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PostPosted: Sat 28 Dec 2019, 08:33    Post subject:  

@ bigpup:-

bigpup wrote:
After you have used PaleMoon and close it.
It is still loaded in the RAM cache, because you may want to use it again.
Second start will be very fast. It is already in RAM.


Aye, I'll agree with that. It could be due to the way I run my browsers, of course; all 'portables' are run from an external, remotely-mounted 'data' partition (Mozilla-based, all of these). The only ones I install the normal way are the Chromium-based browsers, since these are awkward to make 'portable'.

(Nowadays I install the browser itself as normal, but share profiles instead.....)

Don't have any problems with those!

Guess it's like as not me being 'awkward'.... Embarassed Palemoon's as fast as always, once she's up-and-running....

(*shrug*)


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PostPosted: Sat 28 Dec 2019, 19:06    Post subject:  

Mike Walsh wrote:
It could be due to the way I run my browsers, of course; all 'portables' are run from an external, remotely-mounted 'data' partition (Mozilla-based, all of these)
I'm running a portable install. I just timed startup at 4 seconds. Have you checked the size of your profile? I use a 1.92 Mb barebones profile template from which I deleted /Cache2, /startupCache, /thumbnails, and places.sqlite*. It is copied to palemoon_profile and then Palemoon fills in the missing files. At shutdown bookmarks and preference changes are copied back to the template. Some changes in about:config allow bookmarks to be saved.
Code:
#!/bin/sh

#open in terminal
tty -s; if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then xterm -hold -e "'$0' '$@'"; exit; fi

echo yes
RD=`readlink -fv ./palemoon-launch`
#echo $RD
DIR=`dirname $RD`
echo $DIR
cd $DIR

cp -af $DIR/home_page.html /root

#echo `pwd`
mkdir $DIR/profile 2> /dev/null
rm -fr $DIR/palemoon_profile*

cp -alpru $DIR/profile $DIR/palemoon_profile
sleep 1
if [ -e "$@" ]
  then
    $DIR/palemoon "$@" -profile $DIR/palemoon_profile
  else
    $DIR/palemoon -profile $DIR/palemoon_profile
fi

cp -au $DIR/prefs.js $DIR/profile
cp -au $DIR/palemoon_profile/bookmarks.html $DIR/profile
rm -fr $DIR/palemoon_profile*

I did this to fight bloat but perhaps it has helped with startup speed as well.

Good luck, J
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PostPosted: Sun 29 Dec 2019, 01:12    Post subject:  

Quote:
It could be due to the way I run my browsers, of course; all 'portables' are run from an external, remotely-mounted 'data' partition (Mozilla-based, all of these).

If the browser is loading up from an external, remotely-mounted drive.
There is your slow to load problem.
Slower read speed than an internal drive.

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Walter Dnes

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PostPosted: Mon 13 Jan 2020, 02:42    Post subject:  

URGENT: Update to version 28.8.1 NOW. Grab and install the tarball if your current Puppy doesn't have PM 28.8.1. http://www.palemoon.org/releasenotes.shtml says, amongst other things...

Quote:
Fixed an issue with the JavaScript JIT compiler that could lead to exploitable crashes. (CVE-2019-17026) actively exploited


This is the same CVE-2019-17026 issue that is in the news with Firefox now.
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PostPosted: Mon 13 Jan 2020, 18:39    Post subject:  

Done. Thank you, Walter. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue 14 Jan 2020, 06:36    Post subject:  

Pale Moon internal update, worked for me, to get to V28.8.1

If you have a Pale Moon V28.0.0 or newer. The internal update will keep it updated to latest version.
Have it set to auto update or help->Check for updates......

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LeithR

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PostPosted: Thu 23 Jan 2020, 07:39    Post subject:  

I'm running xenial64-7.5 on an old Dell laptop and I need to update palemoon. Is there a palemoon.pet available or what is the best version to download from the palemoon site please?
I'm currently using palemoon27.6.1.
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PostPosted: Thu 23 Jan 2020, 16:06    Post subject:  

Have you tried Help->Check for Updates... ?
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