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Walter Dnes
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#466 Post by Walter Dnes »

So the problem is not the machine. I took a look at the Gentoo ebuild (like Puppy .pet) of Adobe-Flash. Among the items listed for "NPAPI_RDEPEND" in the Gentoo ebuild is ">=sys-libs/glibc-2.4". I.e. it needs AT LEAST glibc-2.4 on Gentoo. Here's the full list. Ignore the "[${MULTILIB_USEDEP}]" variable, which doesn't apply to Lucid Puppy.

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NPAPI_RDEPEND="
        dev-libs/atk[${MULTILIB_USEDEP}]
        dev-libs/glib:2[${MULTILIB_USEDEP}]
        dev-libs/nspr[${MULTILIB_USEDEP}]
        dev-libs/nss[${MULTILIB_USEDEP}]
        media-libs/fontconfig[${MULTILIB_USEDEP}]
        media-libs/freetype[${MULTILIB_USEDEP}]
        >=sys-libs/glibc-2.4
        x11-libs/cairo[${MULTILIB_USEDEP}]
        x11-libs/gdk-pixbuf[${MULTILIB_USEDEP}]
        x11-libs/gtk+:2[${MULTILIB_USEDEP}]
        x11-libs/libX11[${MULTILIB_USEDEP}]
        x11-libs/libXcursor[${MULTILIB_USEDEP}]
        x11-libs/libXext[${MULTILIB_USEDEP}]
        x11-libs/libXrender[${MULTILIB_USEDEP}]
        x11-libs/libXt[${MULTILIB_USEDEP}]
        x11-libs/pango[${MULTILIB_USEDEP}]
Is there anything in the list that looks like a showstopper, besides glibc-2.4? According to Adobe's flashplayer-techspecs webpage http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplay ... specs.html the requirements for linux are...
  • YUM, TAR.GZ, RPM and APT packages for NPAPI and PPAPI
    Latest versions of Firefox or Google Chrome

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#467 Post by watchdog »

I also got aware of the problem. Using an old flashplayer (version 26.0.0.143) does not throw the problem. I am in puppy 4.31 (startdust).

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#468 Post by watchdog »

In stretch puppy closing a tab in palemoon containing flash content throws an error about missing libvdpau_i965.so. No package provides the missing lib. Flashplayer 26.0 is also affected but in some ways palemoon let see the flash content.

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Pale Moon with puppy linuxes - only 360p youtube html5

#469 Post by sindi »

Latest Pale Moon 27.5 in Lupu (Sulu) 2016 still plays youtube only 360p
Tahr with 27.4 same problem. Preferences, Content: - MSE stuff is enabled..

Seamonkey 2.4.6 and Chrome 41 offer all the resolutions but use too much RAM and I have 512MB. Smtube (I even tried version 17) only plays some Youtube videos. VLC from 2014 in Tahr does not help.

I would like 240p on older laptops and 480p or even 720p on 'new' ones (2007).

Walter Dnes
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Re: Pale Moon with puppy linuxes - only 360p youtube html5

#470 Post by Walter Dnes »

sindi wrote:Latest Pale Moon 27.5 in Lupu (Sulu) 2016 still plays youtube only 360p
Tahr with 27.4 same problem. Preferences, Content: - MSE stuff is enabled..
Youtube seems to remember previous settings, possibly via cookies. If you last set at 360, it'll try 360 next time, by default. Try a 1080P video, and force it to 1080P, or whatever. Hopefully, it'll remember 1080P next time E.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dC6uJDNf64
  • Click on the "cogged gear" at the bottom right of the menu (Where I have "HD")
    Select "Quality"
    What choices does it show?
Here's what I get
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sindi
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Youtube at 360p (no cookies)

#471 Post by sindi »

I have Pale Moon set not to accept cookies (with Youtube NOT being an exception).
I tried editing about:config and html5 stopped working which I fixed by deleting
/root/.moon* (all the settings went back to default). Only options are auto 360p.

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Re: Youtube at 360p (no cookies)

#472 Post by Walter Dnes »

sindi wrote:I have Pale Moon set not to accept cookies (with Youtube NOT being an exception).
I tried editing about:config and html5 stopped working which I fixed by deleting
/root/.moon* (all the settings went back to default). Only options are auto 360p.
I apologize in advance if this sounds repetitive. What do you get when you click on the work "Quality" on the roller coaster video? Wait for any commercial to finish first, because you can't tweak them.

Here's what the Youtube menu looks like, before clicking on the word "Quality". Also, do you get all 3 versions of "Big Buck Bunny" at the HTML5 test site http://www.quirksmode.org/html5/tests/video.html ?
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pale moon only 360p youtube in lupu and tahr

#473 Post by sindi »

I see ONLY auto 360p for all youtube videos.

At the html5 test site I see Big Bunny videos in webm and ogg format but not H264 (same combination as listed for FF 4).

Flash no longer works at Youtube with either of two add-ons (youtube flash video player is one). Has Google decided that Firefox cannot play it?
I have tried various versions of Flash 10, 11 and the latest gcflash for linux.

I don't know what Seamonkey identifies as - it does offer all the resolutions in html5. Palemoon is set to User Agent Mode Firefox and the only other option is Gecko..

I got notified of a PM but it is not there.

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#474 Post by Walter Dnes »

I may have mentioned this already. In "about:config" toggle media.libavcodec.allow-obsolete to true. If that doesn't help, I don't know what can.

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Re: pale moon only 360p youtube in lupu and tahr

#475 Post by Walter Dnes »

sindi wrote:I got notified of a PM but it is not there.
Look carefully at the header near the top right corner of the page. If someone quotes all or part of a message you posted (like I'm doing now) you'll get numbers beside "Notifications". If someone sends you a PM, you'll get numbers beside "Notofications" and "Private messages". It's a bit confusing at first.

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private messages vs notifications of quotes

#476 Post by sindi »

Thanks for explaining that if I am quoted it emails me to notify me of a private message.
I use lynx (nongraphical) for the forum. I switched to Pale Moon to download your jpegs and access the link.
I should have been notified of a reply to my post not a PM.

I wonder if it is just Puppy Linux that works only at 360p with Pale Moon. I will drag out an XP computer test with.

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still only 360p html youtube with lupu

#477 Post by sindi »

Setting obsolete codec true did not help. Still will not play flash video.
I will attempt to download a video then play it.

Windows 7 can play youtube at 720p with Pale Moon but is jerky full screen (with a whopping 2GB RAM and my fastest laptop from 2007).

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#478 Post by Walter Dnes »

I mentioned this in a reply to someone else on Friday 13th. The Gentoo equivalant of a "pet" is called an "ebuild". The ebuild for downloading and installing the latest Adobe-Flash requires ">=sys-libs/glibc-2.4", i.e. glibc version 2.4 or higher. This may be a problem for Puppy linux.

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#479 Post by tallboy »

Is there a different location for the flash-player lib in Gentoo? Do you have to use an ebuild to install it? If you download and unpack the flash_player_npapi_linux.i386.tar.gz, the contents can be just moved or copied into their respective folders. In Lucid 5.2.8.7, the libflashplayer.so goes to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins, and the other files go to /usr/bin/, /usr/lib/ and /usr/share/, as shown in the attached /usr/ directory in the flash-player package. Depending on the distro, there may be a demand for restarting X and the WM to make things work.
My own flash-player plugin version 10-something is kept for emergencies only, so it is usually disabled.

I have switched back to my former PaleMoon 27.4.2 setup, because I have a problem in 27.5.1 with some websites with no response to mouseclicks, and no functional login window. I also had a funny problem with Youtube; no functional back and forward arrows! Impossible to replay a movie!
I am trying to find out if there are some 'self-made' modifications related to the latest version which make things go bad.

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#480 Post by watchdog »

I'll survive without the flash plugin. I seldom use it e and I use the "Ask for activate" option. In puppy one could use an old version of the flash plugin for emergency use.

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#481 Post by Walter Dnes »

tallboy wrote:Is there a different location for the flash-player lib in Gentoo?
Actually, I believe that Pale Moon uses a different directory than Firefox. See https://linux.palemoon.org/help/faq/#noplugins
My plugins do not show up in Pale Moon.

Pale Moon checks for plugins in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins. Some distros place the plugins in /usr/lib/nsbrowser/plugins. If this is the case and Pale Moon is unable to find your plugins, you can do the following to symlink to the actual plugin directory:

cd /usr/lib
mkdir mozilla
cd mozilla
ln -s ../nsbrowser/plugins plugins

If instead you need to put your plugins in a custom location, you can export MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH=:...

You can also put these export statements in /etc/profile, should you need them to work for all users.
tallboy wrote:Do you have to use an ebuild to install it? If you download and unpack the flash_player_npapi_linux.i386.tar.gz, the contents can be just moved or copied into their respective folders.
The reason I mentioned the ebiuld is that it implies ">=sys-libs/glibc-2.4" is a dependancy for the latest Flash. The glibc bundled with Lucid Puppy may not be enough.

tallboy wrote:I have switched back to my former PaleMoon 27.4.2 setup, because I have a problem in 27.5.1 with some websites with no response to mouseclicks, and no functional login window. I also had a funny problem with Youtube; no functional back and forward arrows! Impossible to replay a movie!
I am trying to find out if there are some 'self-made' modifications related to the latest version which make things go bad.
The quick-n-dirty way to find out is to install 27.5.1 and run...

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palemoon -no-remote -p
...from a terminal and create a new test profile when the profile manager dialogue comes up. Does the problem still happen in a fresh new profile? BTW are you running the official Pale Moon or a custom version or ebuild?

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#482 Post by tallboy »

Walter wrote:The quick-n-dirty way to find out is to install 27.5.1 and run...

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palemoon -no-remote -p

...from a terminal and create a new test profile when the profile manager dialogue comes up. Does the problem still happen in a fresh new profile? BTW are you running the official Pale Moon or a custom version or ebuild?
Thanks for the response! I'll do some tests and come back with the results.
My Palemoons are official out-of-the-box versions, but I have made a lot of modifications in prefs.js and xulstore.json, usually by modifications in about:config.

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flash player location and youtube without X

#483 Post by sindi »

The only file you need to play flash is libflashplayer.so itself in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins.
The rest is decoration or docs.

I have been able to download files from Youtube with the 'best' downloader and then play with mplayer full-screen, same
result as with smtube (360p is the max my 2004 laptop can handle with any method) but far more youtube videos are
available than with smtube. I use mplayer without X, saving memory and CPU, but 720p is still too fast for the cpu.
Google seems not to offer 480p resolution at Youtube. It never works with smtube (goes to 240p).

I do not know if movgrab can still download 480p.

Just type in the URL from lynx or links, or use splitvt to copy between terminal screens. I can play videos on a 233MHz
laptop with 96MB RAM, in low resolution.

Vidmate on an android phone has 480p.

mplayer -vo svga filename.mp4

You need an mplayer with svga support
mplayer -vo help

The 2010 version (probably comes with lupu 2016) has it.

fbdev may also work (you need a kernel that supports it - lupu2016 but not sulu, tahr)

On my laptop mplayer is automatically fullscreen but I think it varies depending on the video chip.

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Re: Pale Moon 27.5.0 available

#484 Post by Walter Dnes »

Pale Moon version 27.6.0 is available. This is a major development update. The release notes are at http://www.palemoon.org/releasenotes.shtml

Instructions for getting the mainstream release are at http://linux.palemoon.org/

The SSE-only build for Pentium3-class machines is available at URL ftp://contrib:get@ftp.palemoon.org/SSE-Linux/ Note that the item about enabling faster SSE2 decoding obviously does not apply to the SSE version. Since the SSE build is not the mainline build it has to be installed manually as per instructions in the first post of thread https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=13530

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The survival...

#485 Post by watchdog »

palemoon-27.6.0-p4-glibc219tweak.pet:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/10IvSvv ... sp=sharing

palemoon-27.6.0-p4-sse-glibc219tweak.pet:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kUCZ_3 ... sp=sharing

See this previous post about installing in puppy4:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 134#953134

PS: I recommend to start with a new profile. The old profile made palemoon 27.6.0 crashing on my PC. You can copy the extensions from old profile in the new profile and you'll be asked to install again them.

EDIT:

palemoon-27.6.1-p4-glibc219tweak.pet:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-cf_Eg ... sp=sharing

palemoon-27.6.1-p4-sse-glibc219tweak.pet:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/15KCRsS ... sp=sharing

EDIT2:

palemoon-27.6.2-p4-glibc219tweak.pet:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ejCQVg ... sp=sharing

palemoon-27.6.2-p4-sse-glibc219tweak.pet:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1meyZ6z ... sp=sharing

EDIT3:

palemoon-27.7.2-p4-glibc219tweak.pet:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ynTa9B ... sp=sharing

palemoon-27.7.2-p4-sse-glibc219tweak.pet:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/18_RTQy ... sp=sharing

EDIT4:

palemoon-27.8.1-p4-glibc219tweak.pet:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hqzJpO ... sp=sharing

palemoon-27.8.1-p4-sse-glibc219tweak.pet:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yVbErF ... sp=sharing

EDIT5:

palemoon-27.8.2-p4-glibc219tweak.pet:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tt7DMh ... sp=sharing

palemoon-27.8.2-p4-sse-glibc219tweak.pet:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/13EZYOZ ... sp=sharing

EDIT6:

palemoon-27.8.3-p4-glibc219tweak.pet:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DSjaz_ ... sp=sharing

palemoon-27.8.3-p4-sse-glibc219tweak.pet:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Z16RFi ... sp=sharing

EDIT7:

palemoon-27.9.0-p4-glibc219tweak.pet:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1H8UxDa ... sp=sharing

palemoon-27.9.0-p4-sse-glibc219tweak.pet:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/16K0-Ov ... sp=sharing

EDIT8: not yet tested:

palemoon-27.9.1-p4-glibc219tweak.pet:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XnVInv ... sp=sharing

palemoon-27.9.1-p4-sse-glibc219tweak.pet:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UUxL6N ... sp=sharing

EDIT9: not yet tested:

palemoon-27.9.2-p4-glibc219tweak.pet:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DaHh3s ... sp=sharing

palemoon-27.9.2-p4-sse-glibc219tweak.pet:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-twkpf ... sp=sharing

EDIT10: not yet tested:

palemoon-27.9.3-p4-glibc219tweak.pet:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/11ay7Dz ... sp=sharing

palemoon-27.9.3-p4-sse-glibc219tweak.pet:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/11Ia2Ev ... sp=sharing

EDIT11:

palemoon-27.9.4-p4-glibc219tweak.pet:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-_rR4Y ... sp=sharing

palemoon-27.9.4-p4-sse-glibc219tweak.pet:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qx6-28 ... sp=sharing
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