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PostPosted: Wed 16 Apr 2014, 01:17    Post subject:  DebianDog - beta version.
Subject description: Debian Wheezy Live CD
 

Edit: 19.04.2014 For OpenBox-XFCE version only desktop icons fix from Fred:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=772262#772262

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Edit: 18.04.2014: Small bug fixed in initrd1.xz for porteus-boot only.
Both iso versions replaced with new ones.
No need to download the iso again if you already did that.
Just replace initrd1.xz with this one:
http://smokey01.com/saintless/DebianDog/Extra-modules/initrd1.xz

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Original first post:

This is beta version of DebianDog iso started as Light-Wheezy+Porteus-Wheezy in this development thread:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=90660

DebianDog is very small Debian Wheezy Live CD shaped to look like Puppy and act like Puppy.
Debian structure and Debian behaviour are untouched and Debian documentation is 100% valid for DebianDog.
You have access to all debian repositories using apt-get or synaptic.

To test DebianDog for first time you need to burn it on CD or to extract /live folder on top of a partition or USB and edit manual your boot grub menu.lst For the moment DebianDog has installer for USB grub4dos frugal install.

DebianDog is set to autologin as root. If you like to use it as multiuser system it is recommended to start XDM login manager. Just type in terminal xdm-start and reboot. xdm-stop will reverse back autologin as root.

Login details:
root with password root
puppy with password puppy

Two versions are available for download:
1. DebianDog-Porteus-jwm_icewm-beta.iso -112 Mb:
http://smokey01.com/saintless/DebianDog/DebianDog-Porteus-jwm_icewm-beta.iso
Default WM - JWM with option to switch to IceWM.
Default File Manager - XFE with option to use Rox.
Default Internet Browser - Dillo.

2. DebianDog-Porteus-openbox_xfce-beta.iso - 150 Mb (from Fred):
http://smokey01.com/saintless/DebianDog/DebianDog-Porteus-openbox_xfce-beta.iso
Default WM - OpenBox with XFCE.
Default File Manager - Thunar with option to use Rox or XFE.
Default Internet Browser - Iceweasel.

md5sum check;
http://smokey01.com/saintless/DebianDog/md5sum.txt

DebianDog has kernel 3.2.0-4-486. If it works for your hardware you need nothing more. If it doesn't, please, read the third post how to boot easy with different kernel.

We have 3 different initrd files included which gives 3 different boot and save file options. I will explain them proper in the next post.
Please, read also Examples-boot-codes.txt for boot options:
http://smokey01.com/saintless/DebianDog/Examples-boot-codes.txt
After testing the boot methods and save file options and decide which one is best for you, just remove 2 initrd files to save 15 Mb space from the system.

Both versions have a lot in common as boot and save file options. The difference is in the WM and applications choice.

In post five on this page you will find information how to install packages in Debian with Synaptic (GUI) or apt-get (CLI).

DebianDog has a lot of tools similar to Puppy. You can load puppy SFS modules and many of them will work out of the box. You can create easy separate sfs modules and remaster the system with all personal changes. I will give more information about the available tools in one of the next posts.

I like to give my Thanks to Smokey for hosting DebianDog project,
to Debian team for keeping Debian such flexible system,
to this forum for the opportunity to work on a project different from puppy linux,
to our forum members working on DebianDog development: Fred (fredx181), Terry (sunburnt), William (mcewanw), Sergey (sklimkin),
and for the valuable advices to: jbv, sfs, catsezmoo, big_bass, emil, dancytron, anikin from our forum
and dzz from www.debianuserforums.org
And to Sickgut for his original idea that made possible DebianDog to exist.

Toni
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PostPosted: Wed 16 Apr 2014, 01:17    Post subject: DebianDog - Boot and Save File options  

Three boot methods available for DebianDog:

1. DebianDog Wheezy live-boot-3x - debian initrd.img created with initramfs-tools-v3.x.
Chose this one if you are familiar with Debian-Wheezy save file options.
2. DebianDog Wheezy live-boot-2x - debian initrd1.img created with initramfs-tools-v2.x.
Chose this one if you are familiar with Debian-Squeeze save file options.
3. Debian-PorteusDog Wheezy (porteus-boot) - porteus initrd1.xz made for debian kernel and firmware.
Chose this one if you are familiar with Porteus or Puppy linux.

Make your boot choice and you can delete 2 initrd files to save 15 Mb space from the system size.

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Boot code examples after extracting /live folder from the iso on top of sda1:

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1. DebianDog Wheezy live-boot-3x

Debian Wheezy Live CD using live-boot version 3.x. Debian Wheezy boot method.
To save changes you need to create save file persistence or ext partition with label persistence + adding persistence.conf file inside.
Save file must be placed on top of a partition but not on the boot partition which is mounted read-only.
Read more about live-boot-3x code options here:
http://live-systems.org/manpages/stable/en/html/live-boot.7.html

Here is 1Gb save file example with persistence.conf file included for testing. Just extract it on top of any partition, but not on the boot one:
http://smokey01.com/saintless/1Gb-persistence-or-live-rw.zip

You need to have persistence in kernel boot line otherwise no save file will be used.

Code:
title DebianDog Wheezy live-boot-3x (sda1)
root=(hd0,0)
kernel /live/vmlinuz1 boot=live config persistence swapon quickreboot noeject autologin showmounts
initrd /live/initrd.img



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2. DebianDog Wheezy live-boot-2x

Debian Wheezy Live CD using live-boot version 2.x. Debian Squeeze boot method.
The difference is initrd1.img is made with initramfs-tools-2x which gives back Copy On Write option.
You need to have save file named live-rw on top of ext or vfat partition. It works on top of boot partition also. Or use ext partition labeled live-rw.
Read more about live-boot-2x code options here:
http://live-systems.org/manpages/oldstable/en/html/live-boot.7.html

Here is 1Gb example live-rw save file for testing the persistent method. Extract it on top of any partition including the boot one. Only on NTFS partition it will not work. There is workaround for this which will be added later here.
http://smokey01.com/saintless/1gb-example-save-file.zip

You need to have persistent in kernel boot line otherwise no save file will be used.

Code:
title DebianDog (sda1)
root=(hd0,0)
kernel /live/vmlinuz1 boot=live config persistent swapon quickreboot noprompt autologin showmounts
initrd /live/initrd1.img



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3. Debian-PorteusDog Wheezy

Debian Wheezy Live CD using porteus boot method (very similar to Puppy linux boot and save options).
The initrd1.xz file is edited from Fred for use only with DebianDog.
It is not the exact Porteus boot method since it uses .squashfs modules extension instead .xzm
and /live instead /debian folder, but the save file options are the same as in Porteus.
You can skip from=/ in the kernel boot line but it is better to keep it this way.
For example if folder /live is inside folder /deb you need to use from=/deb/

This will create automatically /live/changes folder for changes:


Code:
title Debian-PorteusDog Wheezy (sda1)
root (hd0,0)
kernel (hd0,0)/live/vmlinuz1 noauto from=/ changes=/live/
initrd (hd0,0)/live/initrd1.xz



This need to be created "changes.dat" (or whatever custom name) savefile first for saving changes:

Code:
title PorteusDog (sda1)
root (hd0,0)
kernel (hd0,0)/live/vmlinuz1 noauto from=/ changes=/live/changes.dat
initrd (hd0,0)/live/initrd1.xz



This way of saving changes is equivalent of "pupmode=13" in puppy , saving changes only at shutdown:

Code:
title PorteusDog (sda1)
root (hd0,0)
kernel (hd0,0)/live/vmlinuz1 noauto from=/ changes=EXIT:/live/changes.dat
initrd (hd0,0)/live/initrd1.xz



Note for last example: there will be prompt for save or not to save but only when running X; choose "Logout" from menu. Also for prompt to create savefile first time boot.

Like the previous one saving changes only at shutdown but in folder changes:

Code:
title PorteusDog (sda1)
root (hd0,0)
kernel (hd0,0)/live/vmlinuz1 noauto from=/ changes=EXIT:/live/
initrd (hd0,0)/live/initrd1.xz


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Only for live-boot-v.2.x - How to use live-rw save file on NTFS partition:
http://ns1.murga-projects.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=758027&sid=e6d575d4e2a5f4371ba064c5e210e400#758027

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Apr 2014, 01:17    Post subject: Boot with different kernel and extra SFS modules  

Separate system modules for DebianDog:
http://smokey01.com/saintless/DebianDog/System-modules/

Booting with different kernel (only in case DebianDog has boot problems on your hardware):
Download one of the following archives and extract it in /live folder. Change menu.lst to point new initrd and vmlinuz files. There is Readme-initrd.txt in every archive with information for what boot method is every initrd file:

022-kernel-686-pae.zip - Debian kernel-3.2.0-4-686-Pae - for Pae capable processors. It has initrd files for live-boot-v2.x and live-boot-v.3.x

023-kernel-3.9.11-porteus.zip - Porteus kernel-3.9.11 (the smallest one). It has only porteus-boot (Debian-PorteusDog) initrd file.

024-kernel-3.12.0.bpo.1.zip - Debian kernel-3.12.0.bpo.1. It has live-boot-v2.x, live-boot-v.3.x and porteus-boot initrd files included.

025-kernel-3.13.0.zip - Debian kernel-3.13.0.bpo.1. It has live-boot-v2.x and live-boot-v.3.x initrd files included.

You can easy remaster DebianDog with the new kernel. Every kernel module has dpkg-update script in /opt/bin Single click on the script will update dpkg database with information for the new kernel.
Then remove the previous kernel with:
Code:
apt-get purge linux-image-3.2.0-4-486

And remaster the system with RemasterDog.

06-DEVX-DebDog-2.squashfs - DEVX compile programs module for DebianDog. It is easy to apt-get all needed but we have separate module for faster use.

061-man-doc-info.squashfs - all man, info and doc files in DebianDog are zero-sized to save space. This module has all man, info and doc files. Load it with SFS loader or place it in /live and reboot.

00-locale-files.squashfs
- DebianDog has only english localization. If you like to use other localization load this module. It has all /usr/share/locale files for all installed in DebianDog programs. To save space you can simply copy/paste only the language files you need. Otherwise the module adds 22Mb to the system size.

031-firmware-porteus.squashfs - Firmware from Porteus. Use it in case some device does not work. It might fix the problem.

initrd-3.2.0-4-486-linux-live.xz - this is actualy forth boot method similar to porteus-boot. More information here:
http://www.linux-live.org/ Created from Fred and uploaded in case someone wants to test it. Here is example boot code for it:
Code:
title Linux-Live boot (sda1/linux-live)
  root (hd0,0)
  kernel /linux-live/vmlinuz1 from=/linux-live
  initrd /linux-live/initrd-3.2.0-4-486-linux-live.xz


SoftMaker-FreeOffice-2012.squashfs:
http://smokey01.com/saintless/DebianDog/Extra-modules/051-smo-freeoffice.squashfs
You need to make free registration here in order to use it. Also debian package will be available for download:
http://www.freeoffice.com/en/download

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032-Change-JWM-Theme.squashfs:
http://smokey01.com/saintless/DebianDog/Extra-modules/032-Change-JWM-Theme.squashfs
More information about this module here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=772370#772370

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Apr 2014, 01:18    Post subject: Special DebianDog programs and first boot settings programs  

Special programs added in DebianDog that can not be found in Debian repositories and first boot settings programs:

DebianDog-Install - installer for USB using grub4dos with option to install from iso or folder /live

Desktop Files Editor - edit /usr/share/applications/*.desktop files

Menu Puppy - generated from /usr/share/applications/*.desktop files according FreeDesktop.org standard

Menu-Debian - will reverse back the standard Debian menu generated from /usr/share/menu files.

RemasterCow - create separate squashfs (SFS) module with system last session changes only. RemasterCow will not work with live-boot-v.3.x since Copy On Write is not supported there.

RemasterDog - remaster DebianDog with all your changes in new main filesystem module.

Audio-setup - run it only if you do not have sound on boot.

Frisbee - run it only if you do not have working internet connection on boot.

Keyboard layout - add different keyboard layout.

Set Time Zone - run it to setup your time zone. It will setup date and time automatic.

Set Default Apps - changing the links for default programs.

Ram Low Profile and Ram High Profile - stops/starts desktop drive icons and taskbar icons for frisbee and volume-icon and stops/starts automount all drives on boot. Saves around 8-10 Mb RAM for Low ram computers.

Wallpapers - change and setup different wallpapers for each desktop.

AptToSfs - create sfs module from apt-get downloaded programs without installing them.

Make Save File - create save file for any boot method (live-rw, persistence, changes.dat).

SFS-Loader-new, SFS-Loader-old - load SFS (squashfs) modules. There is also right click load/unload option in every File Manager.

SFS-Portable - creates executable script to run (load/unload) SFS module as NoInstallApp.

ScreenShot - scrot-dlg screenshot program.

FtpMount-CurlFtpFS and PureFtpd GUI programs.

Xhippo and Xrecord audio/video player and sound recorder.

Picdrop desktop icon - drag and drop resize pictures utility.

ArcDrop desktop icon - drag and drop archive/extract utility.

Added from Puppy: Pburn, Pfind, Frisbee, MultyCopy/Paste for Rox, transmission 2.31, desktop-drive-icons, Obshutdown.

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Apr 2014, 03:30    Post subject: Installing debian packages  

mcewanw wrote:
If you also/alternatively want to install packages from the commandline rather than use JWM -> Settings -> Synaptic GUI, then the following commands are useful. You can find more from the site this list of commands is basically quoted/extracted from: http://www.tecmint.com/useful-basic-commands-of-apt-get-and-apt-cache-for-package-management/

If you are running as a non-root user then use sudo with the following apt commands:

The ‘update‘ command is used to resynchronize the package index files from the their sources specified in /etc/apt/sources.list file:
Code:

apt-get update


The ‘upgrade‘ command is used to upgrade all the currently installed software packages on the system:
Code:

apt-get upgrade


Use 'install' to install a package whose name you know:

Code:

apt-get install iceweasel


If you don't know the exact name, you can use “search” with apt-cache to display a list of matched packages with short description:
Code:

apt-cache search flashplugin

or use:

apt-cache search flashplugin | less (q key to quit 'less')


You can download any given package without installing it:
Code:

apt-get download iceweasel


To un-install software packages without removing their configuration files (for later re-use the same configuration). Use the ‘remove‘ command:
Code:

apt-get remove iceweasel


To remove software packages including their configuration files, use the ‘purge‘ command:
Code:

apt-get purge iceweasel


To list all the available packages
Code:

apt-cache pkgnames

or use:

apt-cache pkgnames | less


if you would like to check information of package along with it short description, use show:
Code:

apt-cache show flashplugin-nonfree


if you would like to check package dependencies, use showpkg:
Code:

apt-cache showpkg flashplugin-nonfree


The ‘clean‘ command is used to free up the disk space by cleaning retrieved (downloaded) .deb files (packages) from the local repository (which you can usefully, prior to using clean sub-command, find in /var/cache/apt/archives):
Code:

apt-get clean


To fix dependencies if for example you have used an offline installer such as JWM->Utility->Xfpack, use:
Code:

apt-get install -f (with nothing typed after that)


From that same apt commands link:
Apostolis Hardalias wrote:

Two very handy and useful commands are:

apt-cache depends

which shows the package dependencies and

apt-cache rdepends

which shows packages depending on (reverse depends)


EDIT: Of course you find all the details about Debian, including lots on apt, at their documentation pages:

Main Debian Reference Guide:

http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/

Debian Wiki:

https://wiki.debian.org/

Docs home page:

http://www.debian.org/doc/

William


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Important information if you have troubles installing DebianDog on old computer:
mcewanw wrote:
Note that the following suggestion is really only concerned with really old computers (ten years old or so). It will not be necessary for most computers and may not work for you anyway (just did for me). I was having trouble booting from a usb flash stick after originally formatting it with a single ext4 format partition with Gparted (and disabling the ext4 journal to save flash from wear). My machine detects the single usb stick partition as /dev/sdb1:

If you have an older machine (ten year old or so) and are having trouble to get DebianDog to boot from grub4dos when the debiandog live folder is on usb, as a last resort you can try the following method of formatting a usb to ext4 first. If I instead use Gparted to format my usb stick, and install debiandog onto that, I find that the result boots fine on my newer computer, but can't find files on my older one.

By formatting the usb stick in the following manner instead, and then installing debiandog on that, I have no problem booting on either my older machine or my newer one. I don't guarantee this will work on any particular machine, but it is maybe worth a try if all else seems correct but you still can't boot from the usb. If that doesn't work, you might also like to try changing 16384 (which results on partition starting on 1MiB boundary) below to 2048 (which results on partition starting on 1MiB boundary instead) but 16384 worked fine on my old machine:

1. I partition and format my usb stick (on /dev/sdb) with the following two commands:

Code:
echo "16384,,L,*" | sfdisk -f -H 16 -uS /dev/sdb

mkfs.ext4 -O ^has_journal /dev/sdb1


2. The above reduces the apparent heads to 16 (-H 16) (which presumably works around a BIOS limitations problem on my old machine) and formats /dev/sdb1 partition with ext4 fs. Then I simply run debdog-install, click on /dev/sdb1 partition, select debiandog install iso (or my /mnt/home/live folder), and press the install button (I avoid using gparted since that seems to muck up the heads bit; not that there is anything wrong with gparted - it is probably just using the kernel's representation of CHS values, which is fine for most modern computers).

The result boots on both my old and newer computer and the bootable (*) /dev/sdb1 Linux (L) partition starts on 8MiB boundary (16384 sectors).

I wrote more about the experiments that led up to the above here:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=770156#770156

Note that my old machine actually has no BIOS option to directly boot from usb so as a workaround I have grub4dos bootloader itself on the harddrive for that machine (with grub4dos bootloader on harddrive MBR and grldr and menu.lst on the harddrive's first partition)

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Apr 2014, 05:10    Post subject:  

Any plans (for us traditionalists) to give this a full install option ?
BTW gave this a run yesterday , very good job !

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Apr 2014, 09:10    Post subject:  

Hi, Alphadog.
I think with some help it will be possible to give full install option.
I will do some testing how it can be done proper with Debian.

In the meantime you can have something very close to full install but only with live-boot-v.2.x and live-boot-v.3.x It will not work with porteus-boot.
Make frugal install on sda1 (for example).
Create sda2 ext partition and label the partition live-rw (for live-boot-v.2.x) or persistence (for live-boot-v.3.x it will also need persistence.conf file inside).
Extract the content of /live/01-filesystem.squashfs on top of sda2 partition.
Delete 01-filesystem.squashfs.
Then create new empty 01-filesystem.squashfs from empty folder (/live/empty for example).
Code:
mksquashfs /live/empty /live/image/live/01-filesystem.squashfs

Reboot the computer with the same code for frugal install.
Now you boot DebianDog with empty squashfs module and all files are inside sda2 save partition uncompressed in RW mode.
The difference from full install is you still have initrd file in use.

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Apr 2014, 11:22    Post subject:  

Toni saintless wow thanks for providing this Dog.
I am too much noob maybe to get all the needed
instructions so I look at it later when many have tested it.

Much appreciaed you share all details on how to set it up

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Apr 2014, 12:58    Post subject:  

Hi nooby
It may seem complicated because there are many choices but if you just use the standard iso it will work in most cases, as Toni stated in first post:
Quote:
DebianDog has kernel 3.2.0-4-486. If it works for your hardware you need nothing more. If it doesn't, please, read the third post how to boot easy with different kernel.


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PostPosted: Wed 16 Apr 2014, 13:17    Post subject:  

Hi, Nooby Wink
When you decide to test it just write here. We will help.
BTW with porteus-boot method you will be able to save changes in save file on NTFS partition.

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Apr 2014, 13:54    Post subject:  

# Congratulations # DebianDog has been a rather long time in it`s coming.

DebianDog is Debian-Live. Ubuntu and others are based on Debian.

DebianDog is the Linux O.S. that I have been talking about for so long.

It`s greatest strength is having the enormous Debian repository of applications.
It has Debian`s apt-get and Synaptic package managers. So many options...

It still needs polishing like Puppy has been polished for almost 10 years now.

# I`m so very glad I was able to put in my 2 cents worth and help a little bit.
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PostPosted: Wed 16 Apr 2014, 14:07    Post subject:  

Thanks, I will consider it.

What about that porteus has stopped their Dev
and this OS make use of maybe same code.

So this OS maybe can be put into sam legal issues
in case copy-right was the issue with porteus?

Should we try to find somebody that have been active
on porteus that can share light on what made them
shut down?

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Apr 2014, 14:28    Post subject:  

nooby wrote:
What about that porteus has stopped their Dev
and this OS make use of maybe same code.

So this OS maybe can be put into sam legal issues
in case copy-right was the issue with porteus?

Hi, Nooby.

Even if this is true DebianDog does not have a problem. All we have from Porteus is included in initrd1.xz file for porteus boot. In the worst case we will remove porteus initrd1.xz file and DebianDog will boot only pure Debian methods. We can even try to modify Puppy boot method to replace porteus one if it is needed.
I'm sure soon we will know what is the problem with Porteus site.

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Apr 2014, 14:40    Post subject:  

From:
https://www.facebook.com/porteus.org?fref=ts
Quote:
Porteus Linux
4 minutes ago
Looks like some people goes bit paranoid about porteus.org being still down. So to make things clear and answer some questions: No - we did not get hacked and No Porteus is not 'dead' We are still alive and kicking. We cant put the site up till the announcement i want to post is approved by all Team members. OTOH - nice to see that you do care about us Thanks.
- fanthom
12 hours ago
Hi guys. As some of you probably noticed porteus.org is down as we are struggling with bandwidth related problem and some other things. Will post announcement and explain everything once it's up and running again. Apologize for the troubles and thanks for your patience.
- fanthom.


Seems to be a temporary problem.
Fred
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sheldonisaac

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Apr 2014, 16:46    Post subject:  

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fredx181 wrote:
.. if you just use the standard iso it will work in most cases, as Toni stated in first post.
Fred

Yes, it did, and thanks a lot!

I'm back in Lucid Puppy now, because I don't know how to find and install Debian software; are they called "packages".

In Puppy, I look for .pet packages of, for example, claws e-mail, or Opera browser.

I'm certainly aware that Debian uses apt-get, but am almost totally unfamiliar with how to.

Thanks,
Sheldon

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