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oligin10

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PostPosted: Tue 06 May 2014, 20:28    Post_subject: Newer kernel may help  

Hi John, sorry I haven't been able to test this yet. I have tried to but the computers I am running now all have the kernel sync panic. I have a computer I am planning on putting back in use but very busy due to my wife's illness. Please don't get discouraged as I have seen the improvements in this as I tried to put it on my mom's laptop. It won't work (no other linux will either due to problems with the wireless driver and wireless mouse both quit working shortly after booting up. I know you put a lot of time into these. One suggestion
(beating a dead horse here) is to upgrade to a slightly newer kernel. Maybe 2.6.33? Again, thanks for all you do, Rob
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mahto

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PostPosted: Tue 20 May 2014, 00:45    Post_subject: sounds good but won't boot  

Hi, this sounds like a good choice for my old Thinkpad X30, but it doesn't finish booting. I get: "ERROR, cannot find Puppy on 'idecd' boot media."
I'm booting from external USB CD drive. Is there a boot option to tell Puppy to look for the USBCD?

tia
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toomanyquestions

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PostPosted: Wed 21 May 2014, 22:25    Post_subject: Legacy still has purpose  

john biles wrote:
Doesn't appear to be much interest for Forum Members. I'm assuming most of you have moved on to later Puppy versions making Legacy OS obsolete is this correct?


I'm not a regular puppy user and I can't speak for others, but I've always thought Legacy OS was a nice system. ...Perhaps the meaning of Legacy has simply changed as computers have grown faster.

In the future you might consider a Legacy-Infused spin of a current Slacko. Karamba, the folder labels, multiple file-managers, overall styling, and your selection of programs still fills a nice niche in the puppy world.
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Colonel Panic


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PostPosted: Thu 22 May 2014, 02:59    Post_subject: Re: Legacy still has purpose  

toomanyquestions wrote:
john biles wrote:
Doesn't appear to be much interest for Forum Members. I'm assuming most of you have moved on to later Puppy versions making Legacy OS obsolete is this correct?


I'm not a regular puppy user and I can't speak for others, but I've always thought Legacy OS was a nice system. ...Perhaps the meaning of Legacy has simply changed as computers have grown faster.

In the future you might consider a Legacy-Infused spin of a current Slacko. Karamba, the folder labels, multiple file-managers, overall styling, and your selection of programs still fills a nice niche in the puppy world.


Good post. If Legacy 2 has a problem, it's that there are fewer and fewer computers nowadays that it runs on. My (sadly ) now defunct Dell Optiplex was seven years old, which is pretty old by today's standards, and Legacy 2 still wouldn't run on it.

Only a small proportion of people now using computers have a machine as old as my current one (which was made in 2001), so maybe a better strategy for future development would be to concentrate on Legacy OS4, which is based on the 4.21 series and will run on more modern computers.

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James C


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PostPosted: Mon 26 May 2014, 04:13    Post_subject:  

I've moved away from using old hardware very much, but still do occasionally and I still run LegacyOS.
Right now using a powerful P3 with 733 Mhz and 256 Mb of ram. Smile 2.1 runs fine.
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infromthepound

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PostPosted: Tue 27 May 2014, 08:26    Post_subject:  

Hi All,
I have just had a laptop given. It's a Pentium 200, 32 meg RAM. HD, FDD and CD ROM
No Network or USB; it's running Win95
I thought it would be a good demo machine to show what can be done with old computers, and want to put Legacy 2 on it.
The problem is how?
The CD ROM does not show up in the BIOS and I can't boot from it, but shows up and runs OK in Win 95 (A bit odd to me)
Can anyone tell me how to install Legacy on this antique?
Thanks, John
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labbe5

Joined: 13 Nov 2013
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PostPosted: Wed 28 May 2014, 14:39    Post_subject: Pentium2
Sub_title: Once i had a Pentium 2
 

Hi,

Once i had a second-hand Pentium 2 fitted with Windows 2000 (i didn't want to pay a lot), and even with this OS, the laptop was giving me headaches. It was frustratingly slow. I wish i knew Puppy back then, but i was ignorant about Linux alltogether, let alone Puppy.

If only i had Puppy installed, i wouldn't have thrown it in the garbage, because Puppy is reviving any agonisingly slow old computer fitted with a Windows OS.

Anyone having a computer that old should know and use Puppy, but no publicity is done about Linux, let alone Puppy. Only out of curiosity one is reading about Linux while browsing sites, and one has to get over a psychological barrier against an ingrained belief that personal computer IS Windows. Once i got over that barrier, because, first, my Windows XP crashed, and, secondly, because i was curious about computing and about Linux. Very few people are that curious. Most would prefer spend 500-plus dollars on a new computer with Windows 8, even knowing that there is an alternative out there called Linux, made by brillant people having at heart to offer good quality products and operating systems. That is the strenth of good marketing, which is what is lacking with Linux.

I have my parents using Windows 8 and 7, friends still using XP, none of them would ever think changing for Linux. Linux has a bad reputation. Maybe due to the learning curve, which is hardly anymore the case, with such distro as Ubuntu, and, by the way, the learning curve is as hard with Windows 8. It's just marketing, marketing, marketing.

So, there is less and less clunky laptops and 10-year-old second-hand computers out there, but they are still in offer in pawn shops here and there. Puppy, and legacyOS, is good for them, but is anyone knowing? Maybe some geeks, such as me, looking for something else, for more freedom from the all-reaching Windows. If private, Linux would have had much success, with tons of money thrown at people to buy the product. Anything is selling with good marketing.

Please keep up your good work, John. Success is not synonymous with big numbers. If you help even a few computer-literate keep his or her computer, instead of throwing it in the garbage, as i did, so much for nature and preservation of bio-diversity, and so bad for mining interests and industry.

Thanks.
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Colonel Panic


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PostPosted: Wed 28 May 2014, 15:33    Post_subject:  

infromthepound wrote:
Hi All,
I have just had a laptop given. It's a Pentium 200, 32 meg RAM. HD, FDD and CD ROM
No Network or USB; it's running Win95
I thought it would be a good demo machine to show what can be done with old computers, and want to put Legacy 2 on it.
The problem is how?
The CD ROM does not show up in the BIOS and I can't boot from it, but shows up and runs OK in Win 95 (A bit odd to me)
Can anyone tell me how to install Legacy on this antique?
Thanks, John


Hi infromthepound,

I've run a different version of Linux, Basic Linux, on an even older computer than that (a Pentium 100 with 32 MB of RAM and no CD-ROM), so I know it can be done.

However, I think running Legacy on your machine would be a big ask - it normally requires 64 MB minimum. Maybe it could be done though if you had a big enough swap file. John Biles is the one to ask on this.

Failing that, there are one or two other versions of Puppy that I know of which you could try with a machine that old - Puppy 4.12 PULP and Puppy 4.20 Turbo Extreme.

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john biles


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PostPosted: Wed 28 May 2014, 21:36    Post_subject:  

Hello labbe5,
Thanks for your comments. Linux is great software and to me it's Windows users who through ignorance, lack of interest, free equals poor quality are the ones missing out.
Only those who seek knowledge, something different discover Linux and those are the people Linux is for.
We have a level of control over our computing lives the average Windows user will never experience. They live in fear of viruses and other nasties making their computers unusable requiring a trip to their local computer shop costing $$$$ to fix. They never learn or grow in knowledge resulting in more $$$$ trips. Computer shops love these guys. They provide an income where Linux doesn't. Because of this Computer shops hate Linux. It's bad for business.
Those who hate Linux and what it stands for say sooner or later Linux will be attacked by viruses and will become just like Windows, slowed down by anti this and anti that applications to fight these nasties.
What they forget is the person driving a Linux computer. They are in no way similar to their Windows counterparts. Though desire to know more a Linux user understands a lot more about how their computer works. They manager and care for it. The average Windows user treats their computer like an appliance.
We all seen laptops left running under blankets in beds by teenagers dying years before there time. Bad software install decisions, never once reading the small print.
These are not the choices the average Linux user makes.

Hello infromthepound,
200 Mhz CPU and 32Mb of Ram isn't going to lead to a successful pain free install of Legacy OS.
You need to find some more ram! at least 128Mb. Lets say you did find a way to install Legacy OS on your computer with only 32Mb of ram. The frst time you tried to surf the net all ram would be used just trying to display that webpage.

My advice is head down to your local op-shop or charity shop and see what they have lying around. I picked up 2 pentium 4 desktops with LCD monitors for $10.
Tell the man or lady that your wiling to pay $10 for any PC they would normally reject or throw in to the rubbish. If they say their not interested because you most likely won't come back say you'll pay them in advance.
I can tell you Legacy OS won't be an enjoyable experience on the computer you now have.

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Legacy OS 4 Released! Install to newer legacy hardware / early EeePC's Very Happy
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starhawk

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PostPosted: Wed 28 May 2014, 22:50    Post_subject:  

infromthepound wrote:
Hi All,
I have just had a laptop given. It's a Pentium 200, 32 meg RAM. HD, FDD and CD ROM
No Network or USB; it's running Win95
I thought it would be a good demo machine to show what can be done with old computers, and want to put Legacy 2 on it.
The problem is how?
The CD ROM does not show up in the BIOS and I can't boot from it, but shows up and runs OK in Win 95 (A bit odd to me)
Can anyone tell me how to install Legacy on this antique?
Thanks, John


Pentium 200MHz = original Pentium aka Pentium 1 = 586 class, no CMOV. All of that to say... not worth it, you will have insane difficulty even finding a Pup that will boot on that. Even if you do, almost all built-in applications will probably not work. It's really not worth your trouble. I hate to say this, but that one's really best off being sent for recycling. Low-end Pentium III is probably the border between useful and not. (I have a Pentium II system that is too low power for Puppy; I'm working on a P3 laptop and when I get its fan replaced I'll know for sure if that's the boundary or not.)

A little guide post I put together for CPU stuff --> http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=772064#772064

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Colonel Panic


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PostPosted: Fri 30 May 2014, 10:19    Post_subject:  

starhawk wrote:
infromthepound wrote:
Hi All,
I have just had a laptop given. It's a Pentium 200, 32 meg RAM. HD, FDD and CD ROM
No Network or USB; it's running Win95
I thought it would be a good demo machine to show what can be done with old computers, and want to put Legacy 2 on it.
The problem is how?
The CD ROM does not show up in the BIOS and I can't boot from it, but shows up and runs OK in Win 95 (A bit odd to me)
Can anyone tell me how to install Legacy on this antique?
Thanks, John


Pentium 200MHz = original Pentium aka Pentium 1 = 586 class, no CMOV. All of that to say... not worth it, you will have insane difficulty even finding a Pup that will boot on that. Even if you do, almost all built-in applications will probably not work. It's really not worth your trouble. I hate to say this, but that one's really best off being sent for recycling. Low-end Pentium III is probably the border between useful and not. (I have a Pentium II system that is too low power for Puppy; I'm working on a P3 laptop and when I get its fan replaced I'll know for sure if that's the boundary or not.)

A little guide post I put together for CPU stuff --> http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=772064#772064


Maybe, but (and I admit I'm very reluctant to throw away a useable machine), it's possible that PULP or Turbo Extreme would work on it so I'd try those first.

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infromthepound

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PostPosted: Mon 02 Jun 2014, 08:01    Post_subject:  

Thanks for the help.
I was told yesterday that "It works on and off" Since it's only worked for me twice. I think it will go to heaven.
I have 2 more, one of which I also had given. It's running Zorin(Slowly)/Carolina/Magoo at the moment.
JB
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