What's to replace opera-12.1x ?

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bark_bark_bark · #61 Post by **bark_bark_bark** » Wed 30 Mar 2016, 23:04

blink, the web engine that will bring back the cancerous monoculture like the internet suffered from back in the 90s.

01micko · #62 Post by **01micko** » Thu 31 Mar 2016, 02:42

bark_bark_bark wrote:blink, the web engine that will bring back the cancerous monoculture like the internet suffered from back in the 90s.

Speaking from experience?

Let me see..

Started out with :

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mosaic___ internet explorer
          \___ netscape
                              \_____ mozilla______firefox
                                             \_____seamonkey
90              95              00             05

Ted Dog · #63 Post by **Ted Dog** » Thu 31 Mar 2016, 03:15

Lol right highly edited history..
Have fun... so many and oh so bad...

http://browsers.evolt.org/?worldwideweb/NeXT

step · #64 Post by **step** » Thu 31 Mar 2016, 08:22

OscarTalks wrote: In my brief tests of Opera there is a problem with something still running sometimes after the browser has been closed. I think this is the updater and I am seeing attempts to connect to the internet which worry me. Also there is the problem that I couldn't make Pepper Flash work but that could be just me having a mental block. EDIT:- Looks like this might be because the wrapper needs the path to the flash lib file and not the directory...

I've never used Slimjet, though I read about it. As regards Opera, I'm on Fatdog64 running opera-developer as an SFS. I don't see the opera updater running ever. Update checks are strictly synchronous when I open the About page.

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Version information

Version:	37.0.2142.0 - New version 37.0.2171.0 is available
Update stream:	developer
System:	Pretty Unknown (x86_64; Unknown)
Browser identification

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/50.0.2638.0 Safari/537.36 OPR/37.0.2142.0 (Edition developer)

Paths

Install:	/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/opera-developer
Profile:	/root/spot/.config/opera-developer
Cache:	/root/spot/.cache/opera-developer

I use the attached scripts to update Pepper Flash. The trick was to find the right folder location for opera (I think months ago I posted a list of locations for popular browsers in the Pepper Flash thread).

Unpack archive in /usr/bin, mkdir /usr/lib64/chromium-browser/PepperFlash.
Run s-update-pepper-flash to update Pepper Flash when needed.

01micko · #65 Post by **01micko** » Thu 31 Mar 2016, 11:49

Ted Dog wrote:Lol right highly edited history..
Have fun... so many and oh so bad...

http://browsers.evolt.org/?worldwideweb/NeXT

My point exactly.

Pelo · #66 Post by **Pelo** » Sat 16 Apr 2016, 08:16

Vivaldi 1.0 will browse the web for you (issued april 2016)
Personnally when opera is the default browser, i surf with it in spite of it was an old version. (To day with Solidpup opera 12.02)
What i miss is the blog. it was a really well done, popular in the middle east and asian countries.
Musher told the french Vivaldi was an alternative to opera, but i find it's very expensive in MBs. I don't understand why browsers get bigger and bigger. I ask them always the same, the difference often is uploading videos on You Tube.

Colonel Panic · #67 Post by **Colonel Panic** » Mon 18 Apr 2016, 14:22

Ted Dog wrote:Lol right highly edited history..
Have fun... so many and oh so bad...

http://browsers.evolt.org/?worldwideweb/NeXT

Thanks for this archive! Just a couple of observations about a couple of browsers in the list;

I remember Cello, you could run it on a 486 with Windows 3.1 (I know because I did!). Very basic by today's standards but so was the Web back then (late 90s - early 2000s).

Arachne was an amazing browser for the time; imagine a browser that ran in DOS (again on a 486) and not only displayed web pages with graphics as well as text but also had a built-in e-mail client. I used that for all my Internet browsing for more than a year.

Another browser that ran in DOS was Bobcat, a cut down version of Lynx which came with its own dialer. It was text-only; no pictures on display although you could download those to browse later if you knew what you were doing (I didn't know enough to manage this though).

Pelo · #68 Post by **Pelo** » Wed 20 Apr 2016, 02:25

Colonel panic, what would be useful is to tell us what they will not do. Often our Puppy users at home read their mails and watch some videos (TV programs at night, for instance, are illustrated by a short view of the movie)

scsijon · #69 Post by **scsijon** » Wed 27 Apr 2016, 02:00

Just in case no-one has mentioned it, there is also smartware's browser that ran in dos back to 3.01 and drdos. Even worked in colour if it recognized the word in it's dictionary.

For those that arn't that old, smartware was a package containing wordprocessor, spreadsheet, graphics, teachable dictionary, printing system, basic browser, very basic voice identification, and modem interface. All running with an easy to use scripting package controlling and happily working between any parts of it. Very like the early bash was with appropriate extensions. You could do things like have a phone number listed on the spreadsheet sent to the modem to dial and have the information that came back down the line identified back into the spreadsheet or wordprocessor page depending on what came back (although the voice package did cause some 'interesting' errors). It got taken over and dissapeared as happened a lot back then.

starhawk · #70 Post by **starhawk** » Wed 27 Apr 2016, 02:12

@scsijon -- do you have a copy of SmartWare around somewhere that you could upload and send? I'd like to play around with it...

I especially wonder if it could be made to work with slightly more recent hardware, such as a USB Ethernet card... I know USB under DOS is a bit dodgy at best... but it would be interesting to try.

Colonel Panic · #71 Post by **Colonel Panic** » Wed 27 Apr 2016, 03:23

Pelo wrote:Colonel panic, what would be useful is to tell us what they will not do. Often our Puppy users at home read their mails and watch some videos (TV programs at night, for instance, are illustrated by a short view of the movie)

The browsers I'm talking about didn't have Flash, so you can't watch YouTube videos etc. with them. I don't think they had JavaScript either.

Arachne was at about the feature level of Netscape 2.

Ibidem · #72 Post by **Ibidem** » Sun 01 May 2016, 06:27

The last Arachne release I can find was in 2013. (I seem to recall reading about some newer development on the bttr software forums, but could be mistaken.)
Unfortunately, Arachne was a pain to get working under DOS.
There was also a Linux version, based on SVGAlib. I never got it to build completely, IIRC. (The binaries were libc5, and poking around with libc5/svgalib gave *bad* results along the lines of regularly screwing up the screen and system enough to require a manual poweroff. So I tried rebuilding, and build results looked like it might not have been updated since libc5 days...)

Arachne supports an extension system along the lines of local cgi scripts. One of the extensions allegedly allows viewing videos (yes, Youtube in DOS, for real.)

Scooby · #73 Post by **Scooby** » Sun 01 May 2016, 08:25

Tried out otter-browser

works fine on good behaving pages like murga-linux.com
but crashes on more commercial bloatted ones.

As for flashcontent Youtube didn't work but porn sites did.
Trust them to get things right when google can't, right!

I don't know if youtube checks for your browser and stops video
or if it is a html5 problem

Wanted to try qupzilla but had too low version of Qt (mine 5.5, req. 5.6)
from git that is.

Is qupzilla still crashy?

michel804 · #74 Post by **michel804** » Mon 03 Sep 2018, 20:21

I have enjoyed Opera in other computing environment and I am dissapointed that I cannot get it on Puppy Slacko. I am using Slacko64 6.3.2 that comes with FF38.8 ESR.
I am just looking for a browser that will work well for what I want to do which is: use Facebook, including messenger with its features...FF38.8 ESR is not working with facebook...it is too old for facebook requirements. I tried Seamonkey and it failed the test. IRON 66.0.345.0 through sfs simply did not open...I wished OPera had a 64-bit version that will work with Puppy. It works with another distribution that i tried...
Now for my last browser on Slacko64, I want to try Palemoon....I will report as I go. Thanks all for your sharing so far...I hope I can make a long term contribution here...
Michel

Colonel Panic · #75 Post by **Colonel Panic** » Tue 04 Sep 2018, 07:51

Ibidem wrote:Unfortunately, Arachne was a pain to get working under DOS.

Not in my experience; the only thing you needed was enough memory, so I generally used a memory manager such as QEMM or Memmaker.

I never managed to get Lynx working in DOS though.

Colonel Panic · #76 Post by **Colonel Panic** » Thu 25 Oct 2018, 16:38

For those who haven't browsed the whole thread, I can recommend Vivaldi which I've used myself (and still do occasionally).

It was developed by a group of former Opera 12 developers who were reportedly unhappy with the direction Opera was moving in and in particular with the change of layout engine (from Presto to Blink) which removed a number of Opera 12's most popular features. Here's a link to it;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivaldi_(web_browser)

fiskrond · #77 Post by **fiskrond** » Sat 15 Dec 2018, 08:19

Coming from Opera 12.18....

get Vivaldi.... it's from the same people.
Go through the settings/defaults and set as you choose.
Make DuckDuckGo default...

Add the following:
- Nano Adblocker
- Nano Defender
- I don't care about cookies
- Disable HTML5 Autoplay (Reloaded)

..aaaand it's all good from there!

Colonel Panic · #78 Post by **Colonel Panic** » Thu 27 Dec 2018, 14:05

fiskrond wrote:Coming from Opera 12.18....

get Vivaldi.... it's from the same people.
Go through the settings/defaults and set as you choose.
Make DuckDuckGo default...

Add the following:
- Nano Adblocker
- Nano Defender
- I don't care about cookies
- Disable HTML5 Autoplay (Reloaded)

..aaaand it's all good from there!

Thanks! I came across this extension, which seems to work with both flash and HTML5;

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/deta ... nfo-dialog

Colonel Panic · #79 Post by **Colonel Panic** » Wed 02 Jan 2019, 15:18

A quick update: I've now installed all three extensions suggested by fiskrond above. Both the Nano extensions (Adblocker and Defender) are fine and work with no reservations, but the third one, which disables HTML5 Autoplay, comes with a warning from its developer that it is no longer being maintained.

I've had no problems with it so far but other people have reported problems with it. I wish there were another, easy way of achieving the same object.

mikeslr · #80 Post by **mikeslr** » Sat 12 Jan 2019, 02:17

Hi all,

Thought this the best place to post this info as it is possible that those looking for a web-browser that uses as little RAM as opera-12.1x might also have a computer so old that it lacks the sse2 instruction set.
The first thing to note is that neither of these browsers should be used to access your bank or any other financial institution. You will probably be denied access. But if you aren't, the next thing you should do is change your bank or credit provider. It's security is about 10 years out-of-date.
I ran some tests on my quad-core with 8 Gbs of RAM. Note in particular that this was a Quad-core. Having previously compared its RAM usage to that of a Dual-core, the impression I have is that the more powerful the CPU(s), the less RAM will be needed to accomplish the same task. So expect results on your computer to vary accordingly.
Opera uses substantially less RAM than palemoon-sse. With only opera and PupSysInfo open, 124 Mbs of RAM was in use: substiute palemoon and 241 Mbs of RAM was needed. With Youtube -- 320 Mbs.
Youtube would not play in opera. Although opera 12.16's "get extensions" takes you to a page which offers extensions that enable the viewing of Youtube, turning off html5, or forcing the use of flash-player-plugin [the latest is installed on my system] none of these extensions could be installed directly; and trying to follow links to publisher's cites receive an "access denied" response.

We all become attached to our "toys", no matter how old. Perhaps that's why my State has laws prohibiting driving too slow on highways.

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What's to replace opera-12.1x ?

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Replacement for Opera

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