What's to replace opera-12.1x ?

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musher0 · #46 Post by **musher0** » Sun 27 Mar 2016, 02:14

WoodenNickle wrote:
musher0 wrote:Hello, Puppy-ists!

If you'd like a start page for Pale Moon that doesn't use the Google
search engine -- with its analytics and spying stuff, here's one!

I've replaced the Google URL with StartPage, so the search results should
be pretty much the same. I also substituted the WhineDose thumbnail
with Softpedia's, and then added a thumnbnail for DistroWatch at the
bottom. I didn't touch anything else. I understand that the people at Pale
Moon probably want the info and the advertising "royalties" from Google,
but...

musher0
I downloaded the 32 bit version & started exploring it. The default search engine is duck duck go! A welcome change from the info suckers. Shockwave flash had to be downloaded & installed. No big deal with the help from a multitude of Puppy Linux posters and contributors. Have to update jre also. I agree, Moonchild Productions may want to consider paying a little attention to Linux users. My main reason for switching was because of S/M & FF both crashing every 5 minutes. Palemoon has crashed 3 or 4 times over the last 3 days. I'm gonna suggest they might want to browse around a bit on the best forum on the internet!

Hello WoodenNickle.

As you may not know, newer versions of PaleMoon (newer in the sense of "after
this thread was initiated") are for 64-bit computers only. It may account for your
troubles.

As for me, I'm hanging on to my old opera-14.16, and switching to either the
surprisingly versatile links2 or firefox when opera cannot display a webpage
properly.

Since I have no money at present to buy a reasonably powerful 64-bit desktop,
I've decided to boycott PaleMoon -- AND Vivaldi, for the same reason.

Bye for now.

nic007 · #47 Post by **nic007** » Sun 27 Mar 2016, 03:31

Are you sure about the 64-bit only part? Anyways, Seamonkey still remains a viable option. I don't like Firefox

musher0 · #48 Post by **musher0** » Sun 27 Mar 2016, 06:31

nic007 wrote:Are you sure about the 64-bit only part? Anyways, Seamonkey still remains a viable option. I don't like Firefox

Hi nic007.

Not absolutely, no. What I know is that Palemoon now requires to be run on a
computer that has a CPU with a certain math instruction (SS3 instead of just plain
SSE; "my understanding") -- that my 32-bit machines don't have.

So I'm not absolutely sure that that is the same as needing a 64-bit chip. I thought
it was demanding it covertly. Maybe I'm wrong.

BFN.

nic007 · #49 Post by **nic007** » Sun 27 Mar 2016, 08:20

Hi, musher0. I asked because I checked their website and they have 32 bit downloads for the new release (at least the page I visited had a download for Windows 32 bit system). BTW - My old machine runs the latest Tahr with the included Pale Moon browser. The browser works well.

musher0 · #50 Post by **musher0** » Sun 27 Mar 2016, 09:14

I'll give PaleMoon another try, then.

Thanks, nic007.

bark_bark_bark · #51 Post by **bark_bark_bark** » Sun 27 Mar 2016, 12:11

musher0 wrote:
nic007 wrote:Are you sure about the 64-bit only part? Anyways, Seamonkey still remains a viable option. I don't like Firefox
Hi nic007.

Not absolutely, no. What I know is that Palemoon now requires to be run on a
computer that has a CPU with a certain math instruction (SS3 instead of just plain
SSE; "my understanding") -- that my 32-bit machines don't have.

So I'm not absolutely sure that that is the same as needing a 64-bit chip. I thought
it was demanding it covertly. Maybe I'm wrong.

BFN.

No Pale Moon requires SSE2 (not SSE3) and it does come in 32-bit flavors and 64-bit flavors.

musher0 · #52 Post by **musher0** » Sun 27 Mar 2016, 20:59

SS2, eh? I have to remember that. Thanks, bark_bark_bark.

OscarTalks · #53 Post by **OscarTalks** » Mon 28 Mar 2016, 15:36

Stable Opera for Linux 32bit version 36.0.2130.32
Still runs in Wheezy and various recent official Puppies (glibc-2.13 and later).
Still not my Chromium derivative of choice but uploaded for demonstration and experimentation purposes only in case anyone is interested in taking a look.
Pepper Flash 21.0.0.197 added.
https://yadi.sk/d/kbkFDOa3pGaxF

nic007 · #54 Post by **nic007** » Wed 30 Mar 2016, 09:02

I hardly ever use these big browsers, I only do for streaming media. I use Opera Mini (run on emulator) for general browsing. Blinding fast.

musher0 · #55 Post by **musher0** » Wed 30 Mar 2016, 14:21

Hello all.

Just to report that I tried the newest PaleMoon 32-bit Monday, but it's still refusing to
launch on this old AMD Athlon 2600+.

BFN

bark_bark_bark · #56 Post by **bark_bark_bark** » Wed 30 Mar 2016, 16:29

musher0 wrote:Hello all.

Just to report that I tried the newest PaleMoon 32-bit Monday, but it's still refusing to
launch on this old AMD Athlon 2600+.

BFN

That CPU must not have SSE2 then. There is a 3rd-party build for CPUs without SSE2, but have SSE.

Ted Dog · #57 Post by **Ted Dog** » Wed 30 Mar 2016, 17:39

Low brow Burlesque shows based on history.

step · #58 Post by **step** » Wed 30 Mar 2016, 18:06

OscarTalks wrote:Stable Opera for Linux 32bit version 36.0.2130.32...
Still not my Chromium derivative of choice...

I'm curious why not. I'm using opera-developer all the time and I like it. But I have no experience with other Chromium derivatives to compare with.

OscarTalks · #59 Post by **OscarTalks** » Wed 30 Mar 2016, 19:36

step wrote:I'm curious why not.

Perhaps I have just grown accustomed to Slimjet, but it has extra features that I like, it doesn't update the browser in Linux (yet) but does auto update Pepper Flash which works.

In my brief tests of Opera there is a problem with something still running sometimes after the browser has been closed. I think this is the updater and I am seeing attempts to connect to the internet which worry me. Also there is the problem that I couldn't make Pepper Flash work but that could be just me having a mental block. EDIT:- Looks like this might be because the wrapper needs the path to the flash lib file and not the directory.

Maybe it is because I am trying to use my browsers in slightly older Puppies that I see the snags.

01micko · #60 Post by **01micko** » Wed 30 Mar 2016, 21:18

qupzilla-2.0 has just been released based on qtwebengine - the successor to qtwebkit (webkit in linux is rather unmaintained). This requires the new qt-5.6. Qtwebengine is based on blink.

I actually built qt-5.6beta (over Christmas) and qupzilla-1.9.9 from git at the time and while it was crashy on nvidia and intel graphics hardware it runs beautifully on my radeon hardware. I reported it to the developer (with a backtrace) and he reckons it was a bug in the graphics stack - maybe, And if so I'll wait to build it again unutil I'm on slackware-current (soon to be 14.2). Qt-5.6beta took over 6 hours to compile!

. It would probably take another 3 to split into doc/dev/nls so it would be an over nighter.

Otter browser has also moved to qtwebengine.

For the record, VLC ran perfectly compiled against Qt-5.6beta on nvidia, intel and radeon graphics hardware.

bark_bark_bark · #61 Post by **bark_bark_bark** » Wed 30 Mar 2016, 23:04

blink, the web engine that will bring back the cancerous monoculture like the internet suffered from back in the 90s.

01micko · #62 Post by **01micko** » Thu 31 Mar 2016, 02:42

bark_bark_bark wrote:blink, the web engine that will bring back the cancerous monoculture like the internet suffered from back in the 90s.

Speaking from experience?

Let me see..

Started out with :

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mosaic___ internet explorer
          \___ netscape
                              \_____ mozilla______firefox
                                             \_____seamonkey
90              95              00             05

Ted Dog · #63 Post by **Ted Dog** » Thu 31 Mar 2016, 03:15

Lol right highly edited history..
Have fun... so many and oh so bad...

http://browsers.evolt.org/?worldwideweb/NeXT

step · #64 Post by **step** » Thu 31 Mar 2016, 08:22

OscarTalks wrote: In my brief tests of Opera there is a problem with something still running sometimes after the browser has been closed. I think this is the updater and I am seeing attempts to connect to the internet which worry me. Also there is the problem that I couldn't make Pepper Flash work but that could be just me having a mental block. EDIT:- Looks like this might be because the wrapper needs the path to the flash lib file and not the directory...

I've never used Slimjet, though I read about it. As regards Opera, I'm on Fatdog64 running opera-developer as an SFS. I don't see the opera updater running ever. Update checks are strictly synchronous when I open the About page.

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Version information

Version:	37.0.2142.0 - New version 37.0.2171.0 is available
Update stream:	developer
System:	Pretty Unknown (x86_64; Unknown)
Browser identification

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/50.0.2638.0 Safari/537.36 OPR/37.0.2142.0 (Edition developer)

Paths

Install:	/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/opera-developer
Profile:	/root/spot/.config/opera-developer
Cache:	/root/spot/.cache/opera-developer

I use the attached scripts to update Pepper Flash. The trick was to find the right folder location for opera (I think months ago I posted a list of locations for popular browsers in the Pepper Flash thread).

Unpack archive in /usr/bin, mkdir /usr/lib64/chromium-browser/PepperFlash.
Run s-update-pepper-flash to update Pepper Flash when needed.

01micko · #65 Post by **01micko** » Thu 31 Mar 2016, 11:49

Ted Dog wrote:Lol right highly edited history..
Have fun... so many and oh so bad...

http://browsers.evolt.org/?worldwideweb/NeXT

My point exactly.

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