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Blue Pup V4

#271 Post by ETP »

Hi Raj,

In the original post in this thread I commented that Blue would be likely to polarise opinion knowing that the mere sight of anything resembling the Metro interface would put some people off even trying it! A few posts later I commented as follows:

My thinking behind this release is to offer the bling that is fashionable and likely to attract youngsters to try and experience the benefits of Linux. Witness their obsession with smart-phones and fondle slabs. If we fail to keep pace with the times and only major on code and functionality at the expense of form, we will stand little chance of attracting the next generation to Linux who will perceive the traditional desktop as something archaic only suited to geeks or grandfathers.

I use XP Pro on a daily basis but agree that MS have lost their way, managing to hide sometimes great features behind an extremely messy user hostile interface.
Other goals for Blue were Chromebook like speed together with ease of use. It attempts to combine the best of two OSs in a manner that is, like it or not, currently fashionable.

Please be assured that that your comments have not caused offence. Given that you have a new HP laptop with Win 8.1 it will probably have a USB3 port. If you install Blue to a USB3 stick you will be able to draw an objective comparison.

Blue has received the following reviews:
V1
http://www.centralkynews.com/amnews/new ... 7bea3.html

V3
http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/80483.html

http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Linux-Di ... 3459.shtml

http://www.efytimes.com/e1/fullnews.asp?edid=139276

http://www.itworld.com/open-source/4201 ... -interface

V4 (Not yet reviewed)

BTW – Blue Pup sticks are in fact movable between PCs.
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Optional Hot Screen Sides Toggle Pet for Blue Pup V4

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Optional Hot Screen Sides Toggle Pet for Blue Pup V4

In Blue Pup V4 hot screen sides are enabled by default. This feature may however not always be desirable if for example, you were using a small netbook. In addition whilst it is fine for everyday use, if you were working on something with multiple windows open and could easily inadvertently bump the mouse pointer into one of the sides it is convenient to toggle it off.

If you turn it off permanently, the easiest way of switching between the desktop and the Metro interface is the two digit toggle first introduced in V2. (Press the right hand Windows or menu key with your thumb followed by the enter key with your index finger.)

This pet creates a toggle menu item at the top of the JWM desktop menu. In addition the .desktop file needs to be dragged onto the desktop. Upon clicking the icon a screen popup will appear inviting you to restart the X-server to give effect to the change. In addition both the JWM menu icon and the desktop icon will change colour to reflect the status. (Red-Enabled Blue-Disabled). This gives an immediate visual indication of the current state as the OS boots.

Installation:

1. Install the attached pet then reboot.

2. Using Rox navigate to /usr/share/applications/HotScreenSides.desktop and drag that file onto the desktop.

3. Right click the icon and edit it to remove the text beneath and optionally assign it a hotkey. (I assigned the Scroll-Lock)

Other Issues:

Chinese Language Pets for Blue Pup V4.
Thanks go to forum member icake.
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 047#786047

Flash
Adobe has released a security update (11.2.202.406) for Linux Flash.
To update to this latest version run "GetFlash" off the JWM Internet sub-menu.

Thunderbird
Version 31.1.1 is now available.
To update it, please see item 7 in the second post of this thread.

N/B – Pet alert has been turned on & will remain so for 72 hours.
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Optional Boot Toggle Pet for Blue Pup V4

#273 Post by ETP »

Optional Boot Toggle Pet for Blue Pup V4

This is another toggle switch pet similar to the “Optional Hot Screen Sides Toggle Pet for Blue Pup V4
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Blue Pup V5 – Released 30th Sept 2014

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Blue Pup V5 – Released 30th Sept 2014

V4 was intended to be the final release of Blue Pup but I reckoned without the ongoing changes to Skype for Linux. The Skype fix pet issued on 22nd Aug which allowed us to continue to run 4.2 has now been blocked so it is time to change tack.

This version contains the Skype 4.3.0.37 dotpet produced by watchdog that contains the apulse fix which basically fools Skype into believing that the pulseaudio server is running.

Major change since V4:

OOTB V5 will boot to the desktop rather than the Metro interface and “hot screen sides
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V5 Metro interface with new Google Cast logo, wallpaper & “Talkyâ€￾ tile.
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gcmartin

#275 Post by gcmartin »

I applaud the good work you have done to keep this distro current. It brings a new use of desktop management for this community to begin approaching. I understand what you've done and why you bring this for our use. THANKS! :D

2 questions that come to mind:
  • The BASH issue found last week AND has BLUE addressed it?
  • With what you've done, has there been any additional thought given in use of touch screen devices? (Reason: TaZoC's Lighthouse is the ONLY PUP distro which has made any headway for simple touch-screen app use and menu use when tapping an open area of the screen. The large buttons of METRO are geared for easy finger work.
I use an older HP touch laptop in seminars and presentations, my finger is my pointer.

This is a very LOW priority set of questions.

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Blue Pup V5–Released 30th Sept 2014

#276 Post by ETP »

Hi gcmartin,

Thanks for the plaudit. There are a number of threads dealing with the BASH vulnerability. I will issue a tested fix by way of a service dotpet in due course.
Unless you happen to be running a web server it appears not to be critical.

For the complete range of touch/pinch/gestures, I would suggest the full blown version of Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Trusty Tahr.
Attempting to include all the necessary components in a light weight Pup would be fraught with difficulty and add enormous bloat. Better to use a known working solution.

http://sourcedigit.com/8080-ubuntu-14-0 ... -features/

https://launchpad.net/canonical-multitouch
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I hate W8

#277 Post by charbaby66 »

The best thing about Linux is that it is not Windows :)

You have really blown away my kids and co-workers who prefer the new fangled gear with this little number, and I thank you for the idea of having
something that appeals to the mainstream MS scared of Linux fogeys and the young crowd. In my world, this is amazing! The kids want to use it, some of the co-workers want a copy! I want to thank you for that, I have been trying to accomplish this for years... All because of a Metro screen who'da thunk?

I have been asked to get Netflix working. So far no joy. The latest Chrome/
Chrominium 37 maybe/38 yes with latest nss 3.16 is rumored to work
without wine et al. Can I update without breaking anything? (not in PPM)

I also had trouble installing to a fresh OOTB Transcend 8g using the new
Lucid 5.28. I also got the no more room on device error (or not error) so
I fired up a broken XP, installed the tools and finally created the disk. I did
have to reboot twice before Blue 5 loaded. Runs well but volume icon left
and will not return. Used ALSA wizard to set volume. Side screen unbearable
to keep running - constantly pops up with touchpad use on this Dell 610

I am going to retry an install under Slacko (which should run the above browsers/libs ergo wineless Netflix) if I can't upgrade them here.
pfft.. I just use my tablet if I need to 'flix, it's simpler, but if Metro &NF
converts the unconvertable, I'm game!

I'll keep you posted on how the install went, and if the few issues did too..
if no joy, I can do the XP deal... but my feelings are in the first line. :)

Thanks for all the good work.

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Re: I hate W8

#278 Post by ETP »

Hi charbaby66,

Thanks for your feedback. V5 was released in a hurry to deal with the Skype issue and I was forced to put some other changes on hold. Specifically I had been attempting to get both “O/K Google
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Bash Security fix for all versions of Blue Pup & QT 6.0.5

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Bash Security fix for all versions of Blue Pup.

A dotpet (bash-4.1.16.pet) is now available here:

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id= ... sp=sharing

Before applying this patch it is recommended that you use Snapshot Manager to create a snapshot. It can be found at the bottom of the JWM Filesystem sub-menu. (This utility was a stroke of genius by BARRYK and is equivalent to the Windows restore point tool)

Having installed the pet the currently patched vulnerabilities show as fixed:

Code: Select all

GNU bash, version 4.1.16(1)-release (i686-pc-linux-gnu)
Copyright (C) 2009 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later <http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html>

This is free software; you are free to change and redistribute it.
There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.

Test Again 04th Oct 2014
# curl --insecure https://shellshocker.net/shellshock_test.sh | bash
  % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed   Time    Time     Time  Current
                                 Dload  Upload   Total   Spent    Left  Speed
100  2533  100  2533    0     0   9997      0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 10132
CVE-2014-6271 (original shellshock): not vulnerable
CVE-2014-6277 (segfault): not vulnerable
CVE-2014-6278 (Florian's patch): not vulnerable
CVE-2014-7169 (taviso bug): not vulnerable
CVE-2014-7186 (redir_stack bug): not vulnerable
CVE-2014-7187 (nested loops off by one): not vulnerable
CVE-2014-//// (exploit 3 on http://shellshocker.net/): not vulnerable
# 
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#280 Post by step »

Thank you, ETP, for V5 and the bash update.
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no succes yet

#281 Post by Volhout »

Yesterday tried to install Blue V5 on 8 Gbyte USB stick using the linux (in my case LxPup 13.11) method.
- Emptied the USB stick, ensured it was FAT.
- downloaded the image, and stored on HD
- decompressed directly to USB stick (in my case sdb1) in terminal.

It took a long time.....
I started to read this thread backward, to see what I could encounter, but after 30 minutes, still no prompt.
Went to bed ...
This morning ... a prompt. And no error messages. The decompression had finished.
sync(-ed) (but after soo many hours this should not have been needed).

And rebooted.
Just a flashing cursor on a black screen for more than 10 minutes (laptop = HP DV2000, Intel T2400). Decided this was not working.
Different laptop: Dell E6430 (intel i5). Same behaviour.

Somewhere in the proces something must have gone wrong.
During decompression, the USB stick was mounted (how else could I know it was sdb1) but not actively used (i.e. PCmanFM).

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RE: no succes yet

#282 Post by ETP »

Hi Volhout,

The process should take no longer than 10-20 minutes. Given that the stick is now in an unknown state it would be best to return it to its virgin state before trying again.
In Linux use Gparted to do that:

1. Start by clicking on “device
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succes

#283 Post by Volhout »

Hi ETP,

Used a W7 PC to format the stick, and 7zip to unzip. With windows image writer it worked (took zome 20 mins). I have a working USB stick now. Blue boots into JWM (not metro as in post #1) and I can toggle to metro using the menu.

On a netbook (1024x600) I scaled to 67% and have a nice metro desktop.
It boots quite quick, when I have (my own) internet tonight I will give it A GO.

Thanks for the quick reply

Volhout

ps: is there a hotkey to toggle between metro and jwm ? I noticed that there is no "browser" shortcut in the taskbar to ease life. And when I quit Chromium and restart it through the menu, to does default to the metro screen, but NOT full screen. Always in a tab. Any thoughts ?
pps: I understand the "hot sides" function now, but why bring up menu with the "quit" function every time I go to JWM ? On my netbook it is extremely large and covers most desktop icons. Every time I have to manually close it. Wasn't it better to add the 10 functions in this popup to the JWM desktop as icons ?

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Re: ps and pps

#284 Post by ETP »

Hi Volhout,
ps: is there a hotkey to toggle between metro and jwm ? I noticed that there is no "browser" shortcut in the taskbar to ease life. And when I quit Chromium and restart it through the menu, to does default to the metro screen, but NOT full screen. Always in a tab. Any thoughts ?
The left hand windows key is used to launch it full screen. Please see README.txt tile on Metro interface.
pps: I understand the "hot sides" function now, but why bring up menu with the "quit" function every time I go to JWM ? On my netbook it is extremely large and covers most desktop icons. Every time I have to manually close it. Wasn't it better to add the 10 functions in this popup to the JWM desktop as icons ?
One of the aims of Blue Pup is to provide as many alternate easy means of navigation as possible. Please see the two digit toggle described in the hot screen sides dotpet post which it provides. The panel items can be launched with the mouse or by using the arrow keys followed by the enter key.

On a small netbook in order to fit the 10 icons around the panel visit the JWM Desktop sub-menu and reduce the global font size to 84 then restart X.
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Blue Pup V6 – Released 11th Oct 2014

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Blue Pup V6 – Released 11th Oct 2014

A revised 1080p slideshow covering V4, V5 & V6 can be found here:

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/ ... slide=id.p

Changes since V5:

1. Image size reduced to 293 MB.

2. Latest versions of Flash, Thunderbird and Chrome extensions.

3. New default wallpaper & custom Conky display.

4. New toggle switch on JWM Desktop menu to turn Conky display on and off.

5. Expanded README notes with original launcher on Metro tile and additional bookmark in browser.

6. For V6 there now remains only one optional dotpet - BlueScreenSaver.pet. All other service packs and previously optional pets having been incorporated.

7. On the new desktop the “Moon
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v6 testing

#286 Post by charbaby66 »

Well, the most important things I learned so far are:

- Blue6 (re)installs fine under linux (yay - no Win needed) using gparted to erase both partitions and recreate lone fat32 partition (remember do not
set boot or any flag)

- Code: xz --decompress --stdout blue_pup_v6.img.xz > /dev/sdX
(remember /dev/sdX does NOT mean /dev/sdb1 just /dev/sdb [for my usb])

- if watching htop is not thrilling then as soon as you see another "#" in
your terminal type - Code: sync

- learned that you must overtype in the boxes when changing tile settings
like weather locations, as it is not clearly defined to do that

however, without checking PPM I installed peasywifi-3.1.1.pet http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 60&t=94501
(now that I know how to use it, I prefer it to solve ongoing disconnect issues, with much thanks to rcrsn51) but maybe I ought not fix if not broken, eh?

now I have no sound and cannot get it to turn up even after mucking in the retrovol settings.. possible bug in 6 as 5 was fine OR I broke something with peasywifi :( I can't remember if I had sound b4 it was installed... then tried alsawizard and it restarted x, and lost the purty wallpaper and corrupted
the file... and lost conky, (can we resize him (fonts) a bit?)

I have attached my dmesg hoping it will show what's amiss, but this is an
old Dell D610, and it seems these Pentium M's have a few issues that a snip of code added or removed fix besides the wifi as above

(on precise 5.x non PAEs anyway :) but not all my bugs on slacko 5.x non PAEs) eg: to avoid shutdown hang/no savefile on 1st reboot I need to comment out "modprobe -rv `echo $line | cut -d ' ' -f 1' " in /etc/init.d/10alsa but I still lose my pinboard on reboot in slacko and wifi drivers not detected
not sure if any hacks needed in Blue

so I will reinstall Blue6 (and time it this time cuz it seemed faster than 20 mins :) Sorry Google broke for you, what about the beta? 38 was supposed to be pretty stable, and the only browser so I hear, that will play with Netflix
natively using HTML5. Be back soon, will let you know if it was peasy that broke my sound :)

▶—— Video ——◀

Display:
OpenGL vendor string: Intel Open Source Technology Center
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 915GM x86/MMX/SSE2
OpenGL version string: 1.4 Mesa 10.0.1
Screen Resolution: 1024x768 pixels (270x203 millimeters)
Screen Depth: 24 bits (planes)
X.Org version: 1.15.0

Video Chip:
2.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 03)
oem: Intel(r)915GM/910ML/915MS Graphics Chip Accelerated VGA BIOS
vendor: Intel Corporation
product: Intel(r)915GM/910ML/915MS Graphics Controller Hardware Version 0.0

▶—— Audio Devices ——◀

Multimedia audio controller : Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller [8086:266e] (rev 03)

▶—— Network Devices ——◀

Ethernet controller : Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5751 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express [14e4:1677] (rev 01)
--
Network controller : Broadcom Corporation BCM4309 802.11abg Wireless Network Controller [14e4:4324] (rev 03)

▶—— COMPUTER MEMORY ——◀

Memory Allocation:
Total RAM: 2017 MB
Used RAM: 474 MB
Free RAM: 1543 MB
Buffers: 1 MB
Total Swap: 2047 MB
Free Swap: 2047 MB
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RE: V6 testing

#287 Post by ETP »

Hi charbaby66,

Thanks for testing V6 and your detailed report. With regard to the wireless I suspect that it would have worked with SNS and that installing peasywifi was premature.
Then again the Broadcom chip is a bit of a swine. I will await your feedback on that.

Sound/Alsa:
Don’t run alsawizard. In my experience you stand no chance once you have done so.
If you have no sound icon on the taskbar, launch Skype (ALT+S) then click on the X to close the window. On the taskbar you will have the white Skype icon as you did not quit it. More importantly to the right of it, you may have a gap before the next icon.
That gap is your invisible retrovol icon! It becomes invisible when either the master volume or pcm have defaulted to off or zero.
Right click the invisible icon then set pcm to 100% and set the master, if one appears to 75%.
If the above does not apply it is possible that your audio chip/card has not been detected. A quick test for that is to open a terminal and type “alsamixer
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#288 Post by gcmartin »

Hello @Charbaby66.

I still have an use a PentiumM, but, my version does not have the same problems as other have. My system has the PAE flag enabled. But, on a test earlier with a friend's laptop, I tried @Shinobar's FIX for PentiumM and indeed, his solution enable his PentiumM to the point where there seem to be a similar performance increase associated (although this was NOT mesured, only using user's response).

You "may" want to consider this. My experience is as follows:
  1. Boot the distro, Pristine
  2. Add @Shinobar's fix for exposing Intel hidden flags
  3. Boot
  4. Monitor your LAN/WLAN behavior
  5. Sound presence
  6. After confirmation, add any/everything you would want and need.
Enjoy...Cheers!

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v6 testing will continue..

#289 Post by charbaby66 »

Thank you to both ETP and gcmartin for your input

Will be back to testing Blue after testing shinobar's modified tahr for Pentium M patch (now an iso) ..so far SNS seems ok, will try frisbee as i can see the disconnects easier.. no shutdown hang, 1st boot create save folder ok (and so cool!) EDIT: some issues ..I best go to that forum for fixes....

not sure how to tell if PAE is forced successfully or showing a difference other than my mentioned bugs seem possibly better (more detail later)

EDT I can test if you want to try the same kernel mod/patch in Blue for
other Pentium M users, but I was not needing to use the fixes I had
to for Precise 5.7.1 and Slacko 5.7/5.9.x. In Blue, The issues here are due to my clumsiness more than anything I think!!

For what it is worth, the only newer derivative other than Blue (and tahr) not to give such grief is the tried and true Lucid 5.2.8 series & permasu's precise-3.8.3.1.SCSI dpup (my thanks to him too!) I have been trial &
erroring what runs or not on here, Thanks for all the help :)

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Barry's snapshot, it works, but not immediately.

#290 Post by Volhout »

Hi ETP,

I installed Blue V6, and a quick checkup, it seems okay.

How can I prevent that the right windows key (menu key) brings up that popup on the JWM desktop ? "Blue Pup Version 6 ... click an icon... The big Blue button shuts down your PC". Almost always I hae to close it without using it.

I used Barry's snapshot utility to make a snapshot before I tried following.
I installed LxPup_per_SFS version for Quirky Tahr, from PeeBee, since I prefer LxDE over JWM. But there where many things that didn't work correctly. So I decided to revert back.

Used the snapshot utility to revert back, and choose for "after reboot".

After reboot the machine crunched for a few minutes, and brought up a mix between LxDE and JWM (it still had the LxDE menu entries, but the JWM desktop.

It was only after another reboot that things where back in order, and I had a pristine BlueV6.

So far my observation.

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