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#16 Post by RSH »

yordanj94 wrote:Hi.
Thanks for your work.
So far works well except my pppoe connection.
I had to replace pppoe-setup files from Shinobar's version to be able
to connect.
Could you tell me exactly, what files you did replace, or even send me a package?
So I could provide it for anyone else having same problems.

Thanks.
toomanyquestions wrote:LASSIE has a nice original feel.
That's just how it was supposed to be. No confusing the user by doing too many or too different changes. Just trying to keep it original as far as possible and to add useful tools and apps for the easiness and joy of using a Puppy Linux.
The icons are unique, and the wallpaper is nicely tuned to the icon theme. The default wallpaper could be a little lighter though - the drive icons blend in a bit on old monitors
The Icons are created by ARu, I've just made some additions and re-creations and added the Wallpapers also provided by ARu - except the default Wallpaper, which I did found on the web long time ago and did some work on it for the use in L.A.S.S.I.E. by using GIMP 2.6.12.
You might consider adding one or two additional b&w/sepia wallpapers; perhaps an old farmhouse in a field or a classic still-life, etc.
Do you got a link to such (free) images?
I think,some more Wallpapers could/should be provided in a different SFS Module.
konaexpress wrote:Or steampunk......... :lol:
Please, could you explain, what is a steampunk? Maybe adding a picture?

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I have added new information to the second post of this topic about the use of the new boot option lpextsfs.
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#17 Post by konaexpress »

Steampunk?

It's like Dieselpunk, kind of a concept of cyfi and fantasy.

Sorry, wrong thread for this idea.

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#18 Post by James C »

Examples of Steampunk.....
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#19 Post by konaexpress »

Yep, vacuum tubes, steam, brass and copper.

Punk Puppy anyone? :shock:

John

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pppoe-files

#20 Post by yordanj94 »

yordanj94 wrote:
Hi.
Thanks for your work.
So far works well except my pppoe connection.
I had to replace pppoe-setup files from Shinobar's version to be able
to connect.

Could you tell me exactly, what files you did replace, or even send me a package?
So I could provide it for anyone else having same problems.

Hi.
I took them from Puppy precise 5.7.1JP.
She worked so hard, long time ago to solve that problem.
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yordanj94 wrote:Hi.
I took them from Puppy precise 5.7.1JP.
She worked so hard, long time ago to solve that problem.
Thanks for the Information and also for sending the .tar.gz by pm.
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#22 Post by RSH »

HowTo's, Tips and Information

The 1st and 2nd post have been updated.

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How to use the new boot option lpextsfs ?
My menu.lst wrote:kernel /PreciseLassie/vmlinuz lpextsfs=no psubdir=PreciseLassie pmedia=atahd pfix=ram,fsck nouveau.noaccel=1
This is the 'kernel'-line from one of my boot menu entries. The main part is: lpextsfs=no.
Use this option to avoid L.A.S.S.I.E. to load the Lassie_Extension.sfs. If this option is not used, L.A.S.S.I.E. will try to load Lassie_Extension.sfs and even if it wouldn't be existing, L.A.S.S.I.E. tells the user at boot up about the Lassie_Extension.sfs was successfully loaded.

This option can be used for different SFS Modules, ex: lpextsfs=MyPrivate.sfs, to load such a SFS Module.
Note: The SFS Module has to be stored at boot directory (if installed in a directory) to work properly.



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How to use Openshot 1.4.3 and Blender 2.63 3D Studio ?

This will work only if these files, Openshot 1.4.3 and Blender 2.63 3D Studio are locally available and used.

Here we go (1):

- do a right-click onto the Openshot 1.4.3 SFS Module and choose 'Add Dependencies'
- drag 'n' drop the Blender 2.63 SFS Module into the first window that will open up
- close the window clicking 'OK' or 'Apply' (click the button!)
- just close the 2nd window

The Openshot 1.4.3 SFS Module is automatically replaced with the one you have added a SFS Dependency to it.

Here we go (2):

- do a right-click again onto the Openshot 1.4.3 SFS Module and choose 'Create RunScript'
- select the .desktop file for openshot (1st tab, left frame)
- disable option to load the SFS from directory 'Module' (2nd tab)
- close the window clicking 'OK' or 'Apply' (click the button!)

Now refresh JWM and there should be a Menu Entry. If you do a remaster now, make sure to keep the files in /root/.my-sfs-scripts.

From now on you can execute Openshot 1.4.3 by a Menu Entry and it will load Blender 2.63 automatically before Openshot is starting.

All you need to do after Openshot is started, is to set the blender executable in Openshot's Preferences from 'blender' to 'blender263'.

If I'm able to do so, I'm going to work out a wrapper script for Openshot to set this automatically after the SFS Modules are loaded and before executing the Openshot binary (python file). Maybe it will work just to rename the script blender263 to blender inside the Blender 2.63 SFS Module.



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How to add Icons to the VarioMenu-Group (Desktop) ?

- just drag 'n' drop whatever you want onto the Desktop
- - maybe .dektop file from /usr/share/applications or a script from /usr/local/bin etc.pp.

- switch to another VarioMenu-Group by the Icon on top of the Screen or by the icon in systray
- - it's either the one with the penguin or another icon presenting or even the Icon with black number on white background

- switch back to the previous used VarioMenu-Group

That's it. Icons now added to the VarioMenu-Group.
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#23 Post by nooby »

RSH Always fun to try to follow your efforts.

Way above my capacity to even grasp.
So Go Man Go keep it coming.
I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
not an ideal solution though

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#24 Post by Puppus Dogfellow »

LassiePrecise_Extension.sfs and Lassie Precise001.iso mirrored here

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Puppus Dogfellow wrote:LassiePrecise_Extension.sfs and Lassie Precise001.iso mirrored here
Thanks.

Anyone out there, who found the 2nd Collie in the Wallpaper? :)
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in the clouds on the right? and sitting in the foreground?? :D

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RSH wrote:Anyone out there, who found the 2nd Collie in the Wallpaper?
Tote wrote:in the clouds on the right? and sitting in the foreground??
Yes, that's right. The one in the clouds I was asking for...

Ok,

as I've stated before: L.A.S.S.I.E. is a result of development of my LazY Puppy ISO Builder, which is a compilation of Woofy 0.91, LazY Puppy Transformer and LazY Remaster Suite and I'm still working on it.

I'm now at version 1.0.18 and I was luckily able to improve that monster of development to remaster a new ISO/OS into a specific language. A French, German, Italian and Turkish version has been already build (just by installing the language packages while the ISO Builder does its job) for some testings and all did start directly into X and into the wanted language (incl. timezone and keyboard layout - though could not find Turkish keyboard layout, so I used US for this).

I think, when it's time to update L.A.S.S.I.E., there may be even a DE, FR, IT and TR version to upload.

We will see...

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#28 Post by seetravel »

Probably i am doing something wrong,but way can't i have any icon on my desktop ?
Sorry to bother you.

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Re: Icons

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seetravel wrote:Probably i am doing something wrong,but way can't i have any icon on my desktop ?
Sorry to bother you.
What does that mean?

You can't drag 'n' drop a .desktop File onto the desktop?

Or just: why there isn't any Icon on the desktop?

Click the VarioMenu-Button on top of the Screen (the one with the penguin) or the one in the systray (the Icon with black number on white background).

A GUI appears (at least it should do so) - first time takes a little longer when the VarioMenu-Button on top of the Screen is clicked.

Choose 'Favorites' and you should have the full Puppy Icon setup.

If this doesn't help, please give a little more information of what you have done or what you are trying to do.

Are you using a save file?

If so, you need to change the VarioMenu-Group at least one time after dragging some Icons onto the desktop and before shutting down the computer.

Thanks

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#30 Post by seetravel »

Sorry again to bother you.
First boot everything is fine,
The problem starts when i change my country localisation to SR.
Whatever i do i can't fix it.

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Hi,

You are certainly one of the most innovative developer for Puppy. No doubt, your innovations will have an impact on future development of Puppies. But it is a bit slow in the making. You are way ahead, i think.

I will try Lassie, mostly out of curiosity, not only because it is new, but also because there is real new stuff coming from you, and new skills to learn from you.

I follow your projects since the beginning.

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labbe5 wrote:Hi,

You are certainly one of the most innovative developer for Puppy. No doubt, your innovations will have an impact on future development of Puppies. But it is a bit slow in the making. You are way ahead, i think.

I will try Lassie, mostly out of curiosity, not only because it is new, but also because there is real new stuff coming from you, and new skills to learn from you.

I follow your projects since the beginning.

"don't worry, be happy"
Thank you very much!
seetravel wrote:Sorry again to bother you.
First boot everything is fine,
The problem starts when i change my country localisation to SR.
Whatever i do i can't fix it.
Never mind, I don't feel bothered!

Ok, I have checked this and got equal results.

Currently I don't have any idea, why this is happen.

But, if you do change the country and language settings when desktop is on VarioMenu-Group 1 (Administrator, the one with the penguin icons), no icons will get lost, because there aren't any icons on the desktop.

When switching to another desktop after the country settings are done and X has restarted, the icons of VarioMenu-Group "Favorites" will appear as usual.

So, for now (until I found the issue and solved it, just change the country settings when VarioMenu-Group 1 (Administrator) is active.

As soon as I found a solution, I will post a fix (when possible).

Thanks for reporting this problem.

RSH

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If icons do accidentally disappear from the desktop, go to /initrd/pup_ro2/usr/local/variomen/data/advanced and copy everything or just the needed script to /usr/local/variomen/data/advanced - I recommend to copy only the needed script for the VarioMenu-Group, that has lost its icons. So its sure not to overwrite VarioMenu-Groups wherein you have placed already some of your own icons.
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#33 Post by RSH »

Ok.

The disappearing icons seems not to be a bug or issue or what ever.

L.A.S.S.I.E. is booting into a clean desktop (VarioMenu-Group 1, Administrator) with no icons on it, right?

I can't check it because my version is newer and I do always own only the newest build. While developing the LazY Puppy ISO Builder, I'm developing L.A.S.S.I.E. and a old settings file of ISO Builder says NoIconSetup.

This is the clue.

After changing the country settings it seems to be checked what desktop icon setup is used and this seems to be restored before X starts again - just how it is used to be.

So if you are on "Favorites" when changing the country settings, this VM-Group is restored after X is started. Activating a VarioMenu-Group saves first the current activated VM-Group and loads the new one after this.

So if the current VM-Group is "Favorites" and the new activated one is also "Favorites" it will overwrite itself before loading it again. This means: at first the empty desktop (after changing country settings and restarting X) is saved as VM-Group "Favorites" and then re-loaded, which results in an empty desktop.

So do only change country settings at VM-Group 1, Administrator.

I hope you can follow and understand this explanation and how the VarioMenu is working.

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#34 Post by sovielenamen »

LASSIE comes with a pae kernel and refuses to start up on myIBM R51 Thinkpad because Intel thought its a good idea to enable the M-CPUs for pae but let them not set the realted flag so the OS thinks pae is a nogo.
There exists a patch for this as deb package but I am far from being able to apply it. In a few weeks maybe.

I actually asked about this and was told non-pae what surprised me a little bit.

I would very much like something as Lazy on my machine again just more up to date.
And GnuPG and a frontend for it, its strange this is not more or less mandatory for all Linux flavors....

If another kernel must be used then I would like to ask if the realtime kernel from Musix (or a variation thereof) can be used without having to reinvent the wheel?

Pls. dont tell me I dont need it, I prefer to decide this myself. If not I would use Windows or worse: Ubuntu.


Up to now:
- Lazy worked out of the box with minor flaws but is outdated and wont install frugal to hdd (say: I was not able to)
- Precise non-pae runs from CD, installs to hdd and starts decomposing immdiately, icons gone, colors shifted and every reboot makes it worse. Did not like it anyways.
- SLAX looks good, new version without modules not updated since months, no support.
- Bodhi Linux tries to hide it but its evil, its Ubuntu. Wipes Grub4Dos every boottime no questions asked. Desktop dies every 20 minutes, likes to disintegrate too.

and some more.

Puppy Linux and Lazy in special look by far the best. Sadly looks the most chaotic too like somebody tries hard NOT to get famous. Fame is a scourge, so ok.

I am willing to invest some time and effort into getting this running for me, I will not get enslaved by the commandline (its DOS just worse) though. Hey, my first computer was a Mega-Atari :wink:


All help is appreciated, usually pointing me to the information is enough.
But not into the direction, but to the information, I must work sometimes too and reading 20pages threads for 5 lines of information needed is something I cannot afford, sorry.


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sovielenamen wrote:LASSIE comes with a pae kernel and refuses to start up on myIBM R51 Thinkpad because Intel thought its a good idea to enable the M-CPUs for pae but let them not set the realted flag so the OS thinks pae is a nogo.
There exists a patch for this as deb package but I am far from being able to apply it. In a few weeks maybe.

I actually asked about this and was told non-pae what surprised me a little bit.
Hi.

As I wrote in my pm: as far as I know, PAE Oeprating Systems/Puppies do have PAE included in their names. The ISO I'm building L.A.S.S.I.E. from is named precise-5.7.1.iso, but I can't remember from where it has been downloaded.

As far as I know, my machine is non-PAE -but I'm not sure anymore on this detail- and L.A.S.S.I.E. runs fine here. Though, as I wrote in my pm: VirtualBox refuses running L.A.S.S.I.E. and tells me I would need a PAE machine. So I'm a little confused also.

When I'm releasing L.A.S.S.I.E. 002 it will be a non-PAE version, if I'll find a non-PAE precise version to build it from.
I would very much like something as Lazy on my machine again just more up to date.
L.A.S.S.I.E. is intended to be a LazY Puppy, but just more up to date and build in a completeley different way as LazY Puppy was build.
And GnuPG and a frontend for it, its strange this is not more or less mandatory for all Linux flavors....
As I wrote in my pm: GnuPG is in the Puppy Package Manager. I had successfully build a SFS Module from the files downloaded by Package Manager (two different versions).

I seems it hasn't got a graphical front end included. But I'm not the network/internet expert and also I'm not interested in. So all I could do is to provide a SFS build from the files downloadable by Package Manager. To find a front end and/or to find out how this will work is a job, that could not be done by me.

I don't care about privacy on the internet (still using LazY Puppy's Firefox 7 SFS Module) and I don't save any "top-secret" information (like passwords etc. on my computer (usually!). There are many ways to learrn how to keep such information in mind without the need to save it anywhere else. Also I don't want to waste my time to find out how things will work or how to get things to work, that are out of my needs and out of my interest.

And just to make it clear at all: I don't want to provide such a huge collection of SFS Modules available, as I did for LazY Puppy. L.A.S.S.I.E. includes each and every tool, that's needed for the user to build SFS Modules easily by himself. Also lots of LazY Puppy's SFS Modules still do work in L.A.S.S.I.E. (Precise). Though L.A.S.S.I.E. 002 at least will be more up to date for these jobs.
If another kernel must be used then I would like to ask if the realtime kernel from Musix (or a variation thereof) can be used without having to reinvent the wheel?
Sorry, switching kernel version in a puppy is way far out of my knowledge and trying to learn this needs way much more time as I could spend on it for L.A.S.S.I.E. or in general.
Pls. dont tell me I dont need it, I prefer to decide this myself. If not I would use Windows or worse: Ubuntu.
No, I don't want to do such!
Up to now:
- Lazy worked out of the box with minor flaws but is outdated and wont install frugal to hdd (say: I was not able to)
How about a manual frugal install (just copying files to HD and editing menu.lst file)?
Meanwhile I do install all puppies only this way, since it is the easiest way ever to install a puppy. Just need to run Grub4DOS (or another boot loader) after copying the files (if it was installed onto a new HD or USB flash drive). Forget about all the usual puppy-installers!
- Precise non-pae runs from CD, installs to hdd and starts decomposing immdiately, icons gone, colors shifted and every reboot makes it worse. Did not like it anyways.
Got a link to this precise non-PAE version for me?

Maybe you'll need to add some to your boot menu entry in menu.lst:
(Needed for nvidia graphics adapters)
nouveau.noaccel=1 (put in into the kernel line).
SLAX looks good, new version without modules not updated since months, no support.
Don't know much about SLAX. Don't want to test it, don't want to use it. Don't want to do anything on it/with it.
Bodhi Linux tries to hide it but its evil, its Ubuntu.
Precise is Ubuntu too (12.xx Precise Pangolin).
Puppy Linux and Lazy in special look by far the best. Sadly looks the most chaotic too like somebody tries hard NOT to get famous. Fame is a scourge, so ok.

I am willing to invest some time and effort into getting this running for me, I will not get enslaved by the commandline (its DOS just worse) though.
Yes!

Puppy Linux is the best to me too. And LazY Puppy of course is still one of the best Puppies out there. I don't mind about Puppy's "chaotic-look" (as you named it, which of course doesn't mean its "graphical-look") since I'm an Artist.

As you decide to use a Puppy Linux, it's strongly recommended to be willing and able to invest some time to learn how things will work. To create LazY Puppy has taken a huge amount of time and there was a huge bulk of things to learn as well.
Hey, my first computer was a Mega-Atari
My first computer ever was a Atari 520 ST plus SM 124 Monochrome Monitor.
All help is appreciated, usually pointing me to the information is enough.
But not into the direction, but to the information, I must work sometimes too and reading 20pages threads for 5 lines of information needed is something I cannot afford, sorry.
I'll try to give help where I'm able to do so. But the only way to avoid reading "20 pages for 5 lines of information" is to do a post and asking for it.

Thanks for your interest.

RSH

EDIT:

Ok.

A information-request on the forum did guide me to how to find out if my machine is PAE or non-PAE. I have a PAE machine (which I did not know until today).

Could you send me the link to the non-PAE precise, please?
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