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Avoiding Tracking - Now with Data
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majorfoo

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PostPosted: Mon 23 Dec 2013, 19:57    Post subject:  

I use current seamonkey 2.23 with preferences set up as shown

Do you think this helps me to really avoid tracking?
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gcmartin


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PostPosted: Mon 23 Dec 2013, 20:59    Post subject:  

@MajorFoo points out some of the standard elements browsers provide to allow reasonable use and protection. Yes those settings will filter certain kinds of activities and provide a level of behavior to control comings and goings on the Internet.

Beyond these elements, many people have personal preferences to certain kinds of settings and even certain browsers. So expect others to offer their ideas to security as its seen. I have been a Seamonkey user since the original Netscape==>Mozilla days.

But, as others have pointed, there are add-ons which can be added to add more hardening to the surface of your browser with add-ons. Some to the problems we are asked over the years is about which add-ons and what settings must be done so that any given user will have the protection they anticipate by the use of the browser settings AND the setting in each add-on that is added to your browser. The unfortunate issue is that each add-on has its own structure, controls, and setup which are different than EVERY OTHER add-on. So arriving at a consistent level of protection can be a little-bit of a challenge in desired behavior.

Again if a Security Add-on PET exist for each browser with some standard add-on items contained (vs. downloading each add-on individually) it could deliver a consistent start for users in their use negating each user having to remember locate and download helpful protective add-ons, as is done today.

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PostPosted: Tue 24 Dec 2013, 01:58    Post subject:  

majorfoo wrote:
I use current seamonkey 2.23 with preferences set up as shown

Do you think this helps me to really avoid tracking?

If the objective is to avoid tracking by Google don't tick the boxes I have coloured red (below) as they are Google services ...

mozilla.org wrote:
What information is sent to Mozilla or its partners when Phishing and Malware Protection are enabled?

...in the event that you encounter a reported phishing or malware site. Before blocking the site, Firefox will request a double-check to ensure that the reported site has not been removed from the list since your last update. In both cases, existing cookies you have from google.com, our list provider, may also be sent.
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-does-phishing-and-malware-protection-work
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mikeb


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PostPosted: Tue 24 Dec 2013, 04:16    Post subject:  

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If the objective is to avoid tracking by Google don't tick the boxes I have coloured red (below) as they are Google services ...


they also generate large files which is why I untick them and delete those large files ... I don't consider what they do worthwhile...malicious sites are pretty much a problem for IE users anyway.

Like the other poster I am interested in browser efficiancy...if reducing data harvesting helps then so be it.

If someone feels their life is richer by logging my search for washing machine bearings then so be it. No government agency is the slightest bit interested in my crappy habits or the other 99.99999% of traffic on the net... sure they could target a suspect but who is sitting there sifting through unimaginable piles of data on the offchance a terrorist is buying explosives off ebay...

ok must go.... got some secret documents to post on facebook...and does anyone happen to have my bank details cos I seem to have mislaid them?

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playdayz


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PostPosted: Tue 24 Dec 2013, 12:35    Post subject:  

I am seeing a lot of agreement. First, we are all pessimists. "There is nowhere to run and nowhere to hide," (except to stop using the internet)
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greengeek: I don't believe it is even possible to 'hide' what you are doing anymore.
nooby: I have that view too. I am a pessimist.If the NSA and similar bodies wants to know then they sure will see to it that they find the means.


Also, greengeek and I, and others I see, have the same goals (see his message above for details). http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=745903#745903
Quote:
1) Speed of browsing
2) Non-collection of malware
3) Avoidance of tracking


gcmartin wrote:
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Secure features for popular browsers...which would collect several add-ons into a simple secure addition to such. Even if such a PET existed, it does NOT need be the greatest to provide usefulness

Yes, that's a/the goal. And I agree with nooby again
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playdayz I think that is a good goal but I would warn people that maybe it help with some privacy but not all.


Tentative first conclusion: it is complicated as heck trying to find anything that would be "one-size-fits-all." Experienced users can configure add-ons and browser settings the way they want for their own browsing uses, but as a designer my goal would be to find a package that would work for most everyone and make some improvement without interfering with ease of use, etc. I think that means that add-ons should work with defaults for the popular web sites--luckily most are trying to do that.

Right now I am running NoScript and DoNotTrackMe together in Firefox 27 and my websites seem OK. An added benefit is that they seem to be blocking ads also, so I am not running AdBlock Plus as usual. I will keep experimenting and reading this thread and try to correlate something that may satisfy greengeek's priorities and be useful to newbies--and nooby Wink Then I would post it for comment.

Question: Barkin and mikeb, Does Firefox have those phisihing and malware options as in Seamonkey--they are also able to be turned off in Google Chrome. In general, is there any reason to prefer SeaMonkey to Firefox in this regard?

Question: bark_bark_bark, Why did you say that DNTM doesn't work and compromises privacy itself? And as I say, DNTM is less intrusive on weather.com--as Ghostery blocks the radar map. Ghostery seems very good otherwise. Ghostery does have better ratings, but they both have 500,000-900,000 users. I cannot see on first glance what blocked url is killing the radar map or I could customize.

Comment: I freely admit that part of my opposition to tracking is personal and philosophical (the other part is greengeek's #1). If you want a laugh here is a short explanation: Tracking treats people as objects to be marketed to, and I regard treating people as objects to be ethically wrong. "Consumerism is an abomination because it degrades the Earth and the human spirit." I would like not to participate and even interfere to the extent possible, even though I know it will not make any difference to the world at large.

Thanks for the comments. It is good to be communicating with greengeek, mikeb, majorfoo, nooby and other old friends. Happy holidays to all.

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PostPosted: Tue 24 Dec 2013, 12:46    Post subject:  

Firefox has those antiphishing settings.

I am a jolly soul.... I worry about that which is under my nose, or feet, or in my underwear.

If you are creating a custom browser would be nice to throw in some profile optimisations...even with recent firefox it can be trimmed down...cache sizes, vacuum databases, and others.... so a bonus bunny of your package would be to keep it lighter and sweeter for the save file and with less crud coming through off the net.....might reduce those 'my 1GB save file is nearly full' posts.

I see no harm in throwing in things like flashbock and such ...they are small, useful and can always be removed if desired... a useragent spoof is useful too. ..And why not a tiny you tube downloader just to p**s off google Very Happy...actually come to think of it that is my base 3 addons along with space saving. I actually use the isp's router to block domains... including ad sites.

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playdayz


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PostPosted: Tue 24 Dec 2013, 12:53    Post subject:  

Quote:
even with recent firefox it can be trimmed down...cache sizes

Yes, I was able to limit cache sizes with command line switches in packages I prepared of Chrome for Lucid--a good idea for Puppy in general I think.

Quote:
Firefox has those antiphishing settings.

The antiphising and malware options in Firefox are Tools -> Options -> Security.
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Barkin


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PostPosted: Tue 24 Dec 2013, 13:38    Post subject:  

playdayz wrote:


Also, greengeek and I, and others I see, have the same goals (see his message above for details). http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=745903#745903
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1) Speed of browsing
2) Non-collection of malware
3) Avoidance of tracking


2&3 can be competing interests : the in-browser anti-phising anti-malware services lower the odds you’ll accidentally visit a lookalike site and get scammed or have malware added, however those in-browser services communicate with Google which would allow your browsing to be tracked by Google.

There are services like WOT which warn you about dodgy website before you click on them,
but they too would be able to track the websites you view, ( WOT is the lesser of two evils IMO ).


playdayz wrote:
Question: Barkin and mikeb, Does Firefox have those phisihing and malware options as in Seamonkey--they are also able to be turned off in Google Chrome ....


Google Chrome, and anyone who uses it is owned by Google. If you want to avoid being tracked by Google don’t use it …

wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome#User_tracking wrote:
User tracking

Chrome sends details about its users to Google through both optional and non-optional user tracking mechanisms.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome#User_tracking
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PostPosted: Tue 24 Dec 2013, 17:05    Post subject:  

playdayz wrote:
Tracking treats people as objects to be marketed to, and I regard treating people as objects
to be ethically wrong..

I totally agree. And I feel it is a form of theft when a company or organisation uses my (paid) bandwidth to
do that tracking. Why am I paying for the privelege of having my behaviour recorded and analysed ??#$@!!

Technosaurus had a thread dedicated to finding ways to eliminate the delays caused by google etc redirecting
to websites that do the monitoring and analysing: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=82639

I guess you could make a case for saying that the owner of a website has the right to allow whatever
monitoring / tracking they want, but I feel the least they should do is warn the user that the tracking / redirecting
is about to occur, will cost the user time and money, and giving them the opportunity to go elsewhere.
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PostPosted: Tue 24 Dec 2013, 17:19    Post subject:  

Playdayz wrote:
Question: Barkin and mikeb, Does Firefox have those phisihing and malware options as in Seamonkey--they are also able to be turned off in Google Chrome. In general, is there any reason to prefer SeaMonkey to Firefox in this regard?
As I see it, although there are other browser that people use as well, the "top 4" in Puppyland that most posts are about is:
  • SeaMonkey
  • Firefox
  • Chromium
  • Chrome
Since they are supported differently, you might have 2-4 "Security Add-on" PET packages for these 4 browsers. There would only be 2 PETs, if you classify the related versions; Mozilla (Ff &SM) and Google (Chrome & Chromium).

This could be a plus to the many users as some of the hardening aspects would be already packaged such that it reduces the constant searching efforts that go on when new PUPs are tested/used or when new browsers are added to a PUP by the user(s)..

Hope this helps

Happy Holiday Season to each and everyone in this community! Peace be with you.

Edited: some typos and clarity in a sentence

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PostPosted: Wed 25 Dec 2013, 03:31    Post subject:  

greengeek wrote:
... they should do is warn the user that the tracking / redirecting is about to occur ...

In recent years this was brought in in Europe where websites must warn users that cookies (which can be used to track) are included ..
http://www.theeucookielaw.com/

However with browser-fingerprinting, cookies stored on your computer are not necessary for tracking.
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PostPosted: Wed 25 Dec 2013, 04:51    Post subject:  

Barkin wrote:
In recent years this was brought in in Europe where websites must warn users that cookies (which can be used to track) are included ..
http://www.theeucookielaw.com/

Interesting that the link states that the law also applies to HTML5 local storage. It bothers me how much control HTML5 gives to the remote website, and I'd like to know what I can do to ensure I minimise it's impact on my system.
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PostPosted: Wed 25 Dec 2013, 09:33    Post subject:  

don't use a html5 capable browser
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PostPosted: Wed 25 Dec 2013, 12:19    Post subject:  

Mike wrote
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they also generate large files
which is why I untick them and delete those large files


How do I know how to delete them
if you don't tell the name of these files Smile

Warm Christmas hug to you please give me the name.

I use Firefox 26

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PostPosted: Wed 25 Dec 2013, 12:30    Post subject:  

/root/.mozilla/firefox....profile......

urlclassifier3.sqlite ...delete when not running and after changing the setting...

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