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My report on Quirky 6.0
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Volhout


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PostPosted: Thu 19 Dec 2013, 12:43    Post subject: vesa and 486  

Quote:
486 is the mimimum, there are a couple of non-FPU boards we don't support (vortex86SX ... any 486SX processors for that matter)
586 is not a significant jump as far as instructions only cmpxchg (it was mostly architectural improvement)
586mmx _is_ a significant jump and is almost required to get decent video playback
686 adds cmov which is 1)technically wrong 2)not widely supported 3)not very useful. See Linus's comments on the subject

Current CPUs should work with 586mmx (including the vortex86MX in Barry's gecko) all the way back to 2nd gen pentiums and amd k6 circa 1997 ... so if we want to support 20+ yr old computers and the vortex86DX, then we would need to do 486 for a few more years otherwise I am all for 586mmx


This quote is from TechnoSaurus in the pupngo thread. May be a good idea if you plan to have minimal video drivers (vest only)
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PostPosted: Thu 19 Dec 2013, 13:07    Post subject: Re: Google Chrome on Quirky 6
Subject description: Google Chrome on Quirky 6
 

BarryK wrote:

In most cases we will have to compile apps especially for Quirky, and some apps might not be compilable without addition of extra packages.


Indeed video drivers fail to compile because some xorg devel files appear to be missing (xvmc in one case and xaa.h in another).

Is full xorg support in future plans by anyone?

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PostPosted: Thu 19 Dec 2013, 14:28    Post subject:  

Got her phone/email, Billtoo?

As one of the great unwashed who isn't capable of filling in blanks in CLI instructions, here is a list of mistakes I made:
I decompressed the .xz file - don't do this.
I didn't cd, change directory, to location of files
I had no idea what 'number" was required in the first question - it is the list number in the list of files - should be obvious, but it isn't unless you know the qualification that should accompany the question. Bad English grammar/parsing for outsiders.
The same grammatical shortcoming when selecting a partition except they now have their numbers shown alongside.
shalsum or sha1sum? - depends on your font selection.

After days of fruitless grappling with Q6, it seems I have a working partition accompanying a FULL Slacko5.6.5. Amazing! Just need micko to fix FULL shutdown/poweroff (for his masterpiece - Q6 does shutdown OK).

As BK says, he is retired and doesn't wish to take supplementaries from us plebs. So, if one of the kind gurus could occasionally grasp his pearls and expand them into stepwise textual instructions that would make a lot more folks happy, esp. as Q6 has been announced as a public offering. Well, that's enough grief for one day, back to educating the masses about the iniquities of methyl(chloro)isothiazolinone. No, don't ask - I'm also retired...

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PostPosted: Thu 19 Dec 2013, 14:48    Post subject:  

Painless install to an ext3 partition - HP Compaq nc6120

ipw2200 wifi working fine with SNS, but have switched to ethernet now.
Only problem noted so far is that it will not reboot. Hangs when it gets to saying it is restarting. Have to resort to the power button.
Shutdown does work correctly though.

VIDEO REPORT: Quirky, version 6.0.1

Chip description:
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 03)
00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 03)

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
Resolution (widthxheight, in pixels): 1400x1050
Depth (bits, or planes): 24
Modules requested to be loaded: synaptics dbe

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
Loaded modules: dbe extmod fb kbd mouse shadow synaptics

Actual rendering on monitor:
Resolution: 1400x1050 pixels (370x277 millimeters)
Depth: 24 planes

============== KERNEL Options ==============

video=640x480 root=/dev/sda7 rw

============== System Info =============

VIDEO REPORT: Quirky, version 6.0.1
Current time: Thu 19 Dec 17:48:10 GMT 2013
Language: en_GB.UTF-8
Operating system: GNU/Linux 3.12.2
Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 2.00GHz
Frequency(MHz): 2000
Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5705M_2 Gigabit Ethernet
Dell Computer Corp. Optical Wheel Mouse: Optical Wheel Mouse
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timothyli

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PostPosted: Thu 19 Dec 2013, 15:39    Post subject:  

starhawk wrote:
@BarryK -- I have neither 4gb+ SD card nor funds to get one.

Is it possible to make a Quirky Puppy that fits on a 2gb card? I have one of those, if I can find it...


I tried installing Q6.01 on a 2GB USB stick. It works fine. I have about 1GB free space left on the stick after installation.
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James C


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PostPosted: Thu 19 Dec 2013, 16:49    Post subject:  

Install of 6.0.1 to an ext3 partition on my old Athlon XP box booting with good old Legacy Grub. No problems.

# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Quirky, version 6.0.1

Chip description:
VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] (rev c1)

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
Resolution (widthxheight, in pixels): 1440x900
Depth (bits, or planes): 24
Modules requested to be loaded: dbe

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
Loaded modules: dbe extmod fb kbd mouse shadow

Actual rendering on monitor:
Resolution: 1440x900 pixels (380x238 millimeters)
Depth: 24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
#

-Computer-
Processor : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+
Memory : 1033MB (122MB used)
Machine Type : Physical machine
Operating System : Quirky - 6.0.1
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Thu 19 Dec 2013 03:03:38 PM CST
-Display-
Resolution : 1440x900 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Unknown
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Audio Devices-
Audio Adapter : VIA8233 - VIA 8235

-Version-
Kernel : Linux 3.12.2 (i686)
Version : #1 SMP Thu Dec 5 03:05:44 WST 2013
C Library : GNU C Library version 2.17 (stable)
Distribution : Quirky - 6.0.1

Code:
# free
             total         used         free       shared      buffers
Mem:       1033512       270704       762808            0         7136
-/+ buffers:             263568       769944
Swap:      1228936            0      1228936
#
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don570


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PostPosted: Thu 19 Dec 2013, 18:34    Post subject:  

There seems to be interest in an app that makes graph paper (SVG image).

I put together a pet package (gettexted).

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=90843
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BarryK
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PostPosted: Thu 19 Dec 2013, 18:47    Post subject: Re: Google Chrome on Quirky 6
Subject description: Google Chrome on Quirky 6
 

mavrothal wrote:
BarryK wrote:

In most cases we will have to compile apps especially for Quirky, and some apps might not be compilable without addition of extra packages.


Indeed video drivers fail to compile because some xorg devel files appear to be missing (xvmc in one case and xaa.h in another).

Is full xorg support in future plans by anyone?


There is a video upgrade PET, see the "zcombo_xorg_glsoft" here:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/quirky6/x86/packages/pet_packages-quirky6/

I compiled it as described here:
http://bkhome.org/news/?viewDetailed=00017

....however, I included the 'xv' package but left out the 'xvmc' package, coz I didn't know what the latter is useful for.

You could repeat those steps, but include the 'xvmc' package, and a lot more video drivers can then be compiled.
-- oh, no, xvmc is not a package, it is a configure option for 'xorg-server', I used "--disable-xvmc"

Sources are all here:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/quirky6/sources/

Hmmm, I might repeat those steps, rebuild the PET, but this time with xvmc enabled.

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PostPosted: Thu 19 Dec 2013, 18:59    Post subject:  

starhawk wrote:
]@BarryK -- I have neither 4gb+ SD card nor funds to get one.

Is it possible to make a Quirky Puppy that fits on a 2gb card? I have one of those, if I can find it...


The install script for 6.0 is for a 8GB card, but the guys figured out how to get around that.
For version 6.0.1 I have rewritten the script, and a different download file, so can install to any size Flash drive >=2GB.

I have only tested on one 8GB USB Flash stick so far, one one laptop, so the install script needs more testing.

Please read the release announcement for 6.0.1:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/quirky6/x86/quirky-6.0.1/release-Quirky-6.0.1.htm

Quoting:
Quote:
Firstly, the steps to install to any size Flash drive. This will optimise the installation to whatever size drive you want to install to (anything 2GB or bigger)

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zekebaby


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PostPosted: Thu 19 Dec 2013, 22:38    Post subject:  

BarryK wrote:
I have only tested on one 8GB USB Flash stick so far, one one laptop, so the install script needs more testing.

6.0.1 installed OK on a 2.5GB partition. Install files were on sda1 (FAT32) and the target partition was sda2 (ext2).

The script complained about my FAT32 partition, but I ignored it and told it to go ahead since I know the target was ext2. xz seemed perfectly fine extracting a file from my FAT32 partition.

Distro used to install was a clean (no savefile) boot from Upup Precise 3.8.3.1 because GParted v0.16 in Quirky wouldn't let me shrink my FAT partition, but v0.18 in Upup Precise did.
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PostPosted: Thu 19 Dec 2013, 23:18    Post subject:  

BarryK wrote:
The install script for 6.0 is for a 8GB card, but the guys figured out how to get around that.
For version 6.0.1 I have rewritten the script, and a different download file, so can install to any size Flash drive >=2GB.


Very nice! Thanks -- I'll download it tomorrow and try it out.

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eowens2

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PostPosted: Fri 20 Dec 2013, 00:17    Post subject:  

I am trying to install quirky6.0.1 on to a laptop 32GB SSD drive, selecting a f2fs format. I am installing from a 16 GB USB stick running quirky6.0.

The install process reported no errors and resulted in a 16 MiB /dev/sdb1 with apparent required files (including a syslinux.cfg with a valid UUID for partition 2, and a boot flag present), and a 28.5 GiB /dev/sdb2 with what appears to be a normal root file system.

When I try to boot I get "This is not a bootable disk. Please insert a bootable floppy and try again". I checked on my version of syslinux and it is 5.10.

BK warned that syslinux 5.10 has problems, and when I try to install syslinux-4.05-86.pet I get "Error, package 'syslinux-4.05-86.pet' failed to install."

I found a copy of "syslinux-3.73.pet" but when I clicked on it, it also failed to install.

Any suggestions as to what I am doing wrong?
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PostPosted: Fri 20 Dec 2013, 01:08    Post subject: Re: Google Chrome on Quirky 6
Subject description: Google Chrome on Quirky 6
 

BarryK wrote:
mavrothal wrote:
BarryK wrote:

In most cases we will have to compile apps especially for Quirky, and some apps might not be compilable without addition of extra packages.


Indeed video drivers fail to compile because some xorg devel files appear to be missing (xvmc in one case and xaa.h in another).

Is full xorg support in future plans by anyone?


There is a video upgrade PET, see the "zcombo_xorg_glsoft" here:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/quirky6/x86/packages/pet_packages-quirky6/


These (and its DEV pet) where installed. Sorry for not mentioning it.

Another little issue is that PPM opens to a blank window (no packages shown) and when you try to get a pet defaults to local folder with no remote repo options available to download from.

Latter: Trying to boot quirky this morning failed to start X because xkb module failed to initialize. xorgwizard could not solve this.
Apparently the zcombo_xorg_glsoft pet broke X. Crying or Very sad

Latter latter: Removing the pet manually brakes X tottaly Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad
Obviously some of the original X files where clobbered and being a full install they are gone after removal.
Oh, well...

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PostPosted: Fri 20 Dec 2013, 06:10    Post subject: My report on Quirky 6.0.1  

I moved my SDHC card to an Acer desktop pc.

video-info-glx 1.5.3 Fri 20 Dec 2013 on Quirky 6.0.1 Linux 3.12.2 i686
2.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 1Cool
oem: Intel(R)Ironlake Desktop Graphics Chipset Accelerated VGA BIOS
product: Intel(R)Ironlake Desktop Graphics Controller Hardware Version 0.0

X Server: Xorg Driver: intel
X.Org version: 1.14.3
dimensions: 1920x1080 pixels (507x285 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes


Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU 540 @ 3.07GHz
Core 0: @1200 1: @1200 2: @2533 3: @2533 MHz

I installed new intel video pet and the other two pets.

Quirky 6.0.1 is working well on this pc.
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PostPosted: Fri 20 Dec 2013, 06:23    Post subject: Quirky
Subject description: Install HD problem
 

I am unable to install quirky quirky - partition.sh. It should be ext2,ext3 or ext4 partition. However, Please note that I trying to install quirky 6.0.1 from Precise 5. 7.1. Barry Sir, Please help me
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