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mcewanw

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PostPosted: Mon 21 Jul 2014, 20:20    Post_subject:  

Hi Toni,

Just a small comment that I feel you shouldn't attach the word 'final' to the iso name. Best just to remove the word beta and comment that it is the first stable release if you wish to in the download thread notes. Nothing is final :-)

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saintless


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PostPosted: Tue 22 Jul 2014, 00:22    Post_subject:  

Hi, Anikin.
anikin wrote:
Are you discussing bringing DD out of beta stage?

Yes, the next iso in a day or two will be the last updated Wheezy iso (unless someone find something critical for fixing). All firther fixes will be provided as separate files to replace or deb packages. And new packages will be added to the site for download and install.
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Had a quick run of the latest JWM iso and am curious to know what happened to ipinfo, that Richard has tailored specifically for DD? Why has it been replaced with the one from Woof?

I'm not sure what you mean by ipinfo from Woof. DebianDog version has small edit here because some errors appeared running it from terminal. It does not connect by default to icanhazip.com and it is the one you asked from Richard as far as I know.



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PostPosted: Tue 22 Jul 2014, 00:24    Post_subject:  

mcewanw wrote:
Nothing is final Smile

Hi, William.
OK, I will remove the word final before uploading both versions on the site but this does not mean new iso will be updated unless something critical is found for fixing. But I doubt there will be something critical for fixing from this point.

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mcewanw

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PostPosted: Tue 22 Jul 2014, 00:48    Post_subject:  

One non-critical utility I would like to have upgraded to latest version for including in iso is ver 1.4.2 of FFConvert. Shinobar upgraded it apparently to fix the multiuser issue we had with it till I put in a temp fix, he also fixed a few other things I haven't had time to check out. Unfortunately I've been too busy fixing up some of my own code for both Slacko and DebianDog, so haven't yet got round to check what if anything needs altered in FFConvert this time round to make it work correctly in DebianDog. Hope to check that soon though. Having said that, the existing 1.4.1 FFConvert seems to work for most things I've tried so far.

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PostPosted: Tue 22 Jul 2014, 02:50    Post_subject:  

Hi, William.

There always will be newer packages versions. I don't see this as enough reason to rebuild the iso image. We will make deb packages available for download with new applications and new package versions but iso rebuilding should stop at some point. For DebianDog-Wheezy we reached this point.
There is no much interest and no reports about problems. The next updated iso is perfect for my own use and I see nothing more to be added or fixed. I will play a bit more with Squeeze version and maybe I will make one more iso update there. Then I prefer to test more SID or Jessie upgrade instead adding more applications and updating Wheezy iso. Debian repositories are more than enough source of applications to be added from the user.

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mcewanw

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PostPosted: Tue 22 Jul 2014, 03:00    Post_subject:  

Yes that's a fair view, Toni, and it is sufficient to update apps via debs as and when required; if apps are actively being developed they tend to need that regular upgrade mechanism via package management anyway.

As for interest in DebianDog, it would be nice to know how many people are actually using it or have even tried it. Considering its flexibility, it would make sense that many would be drawn to it, but users tend to stick with what they are used to or trust. I expect many more users have at least tried DebianDog than have posted to the DebianDog threads (though who knows?) - pity they don't say though, since feedback definitely encourages developments (which is always a lot of work, so difficult to maintain enthusiasm for such work when everything is already working so nicely anyway... I remember stopping work on Precord for a couple of years, because there was so little feedback - unknown to me it had stopped working because of ffmpeg changes, yet no-one said anything and it was in Puppy by default! I fixed it one day after I noticed...:-) Personally, I doubt I'd be doing any development work these past several months if it hadn't been for the fact that I took a shine to the concepts and work you started with Debian Light Squeeze followed by DebianDog - so that had a knock on effect in that it encouraged me to upgrade, a little, some of my earlier apps (such as Precord, and pAVrecord, and produce the backends for xhippo etc, with a view to perhaps doing more with these later).

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anikin

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PostPosted: Tue 22 Jul 2014, 07:30    Post_subject:  

Hi Toni and everyone,

The word "icanhazip" in DD GUI ... it's tacky, it makes DD look cheap ... as if Debian has lowered its standards. Why not have the Debian networkmanager as default and frisbee as a downloadable deb?

I'm not sure which ipinfo is in my current DD - self-edited, or the one from Richard. As shown in the pic below, it looks differently.
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PostPosted: Tue 22 Jul 2014, 08:43    Post_subject:  

Hi, Anikin.

DebianDog was born from the idea to look closer as possible like Puppy and keeping Debian functionality untouched. Frisbee is Puppy application, very good one and it is the best one in my opinion regarding size and functions. I see it as improvement compared to Debian alternative network managers.
If it looks cheap to you because of external IP name option (disabled by default) it is enough just to remove it and use Network manager or WICD, but the size of both is much bigger.

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anikin

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PostPosted: Tue 22 Jul 2014, 12:34    Post_subject:  

Toni,

My original question was about Richard's version of ipinfo, that doesn't display the word "icanhazip" in the network GUI - which *is* *cheap* and tasteless by any standards (and was always hidden in Puppy, btw). Just a concerned user, thinkin' aloud, not an attempt to criticize your work.
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PostPosted: Tue 22 Jul 2014, 13:24    Post_subject:  

anikin wrote:
My original question was about Richard's version of ipinfo...

Because in next page post he decided to use this ipinfo version for next DebianDog packages and seems this ipinfo version includes some fixes missing in the previous one:
rerwin wrote:
Quote:
About ipinfo:
I did extract one version from the latest slacko with the new comment
Code:
#131126 zigbert: gui (gtkdialog) improvements.


I really like this version better. Looks better and has added a checkbox for optional
use of icanhazip. Only thing I wanted to change was not to use icanhazip by default
(line 17 and 18 in the new version)

from
Code:
[ -f $HOME/.ipinfo ] && . $HOME/.ipinfo || CB0=true

to

Code:
[ -f $HOME/.ipinfo ] && . $HOME/.ipinfo || CB0=false
I think I will use yours as a new basis for the DD version, to get zigbert's fix, but with the icanhazip stuff removed, as was requested.


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fredx181

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PostPosted: Tue 22 Jul 2014, 14:04    Post_subject:  

Hi anikin, Toni,
anikin wrote:
My original question was about Richard's version of ipinfo, that doesn't display the word "icanhazip" in the network GUI - which *is* *cheap* and tasteless by any standards (and was always hidden in Puppy, btw). Just a concerned user, thinkin' aloud, not an attempt to criticize your work.


Please let me understand what's so cheap about "icanhazip", I don't know nothing about it.
Or is it just about displaying IP adress option itself?

Edit: I should have searched first before asking, reading here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=66968&start=15
Made me a little wiser, but don't have a strong opinion about it yet.

Anyway here's the exact same ipinfo I modified without icanhazip option and still with the same improvements.
Attached ipinfo.tar.gz.

Toni, I'll need another day also to upload new iso.

Fred
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dancytron

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PostPosted: Tue 22 Jul 2014, 14:32    Post_subject:  

Saintless and others,

Well, I use it, but to be honest I use Windows XP as my main system because of my non-linux TV card and Beyond TV.

I think you'll get some more people using it once you announce that it is out of beta. A lot of people don't want to mess with beta releases. At least that seemed to be what happens with the main Puppy releases.

I understand that you built this for yourself. But I think that it is just too good to not try to "market" it outside the Puppy Community, at least a little.

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greengeek

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PostPosted: Tue 22 Jul 2014, 15:16    Post_subject:  

anikin wrote:
The word "icanhazip" in DD GUI ... it's tacky, it makes DD look cheap.
I think it looks fine. There has been a lot of discussion about the benefits (or downside) of connecting to an external site in order to find out the external IP that Puppy is using - and the fact that this function is able to be enabled/disabled whichever the user wants seems like a good thing to me.

dancytron wrote:
A lot of people don't want to mess with beta releases
I think dancytron is right - as long as people know that beta testing is finished more people will be prepared to try it. (I know that attitude doesn't help testing/development much but many people are not confident trialling a system that still has bugs - they want to wait till the experts feel happy with the overall performance)
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PostPosted: Tue 22 Jul 2014, 16:36    Post_subject:  

@dancytron

What is the chipset in your tv card?
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dancytron

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PostPosted: Tue 22 Jul 2014, 17:24    Post_subject:  

Not sure anymore what chipset it is.

It is a avertv hybrid volar max.

Per this page, not supported. http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/AVerMedia

It was years and years ago, but I spent some time trying to get it to work in Puppy and Ubuntu and couldn't.

I am happy with it and how it works in Windows XP.

I am using Debian Dog on my old Pentium III military/police surplus laptop (Itronix ix-250) too. For it, it will probably be the main OS from now on.
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