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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jun 2014, 23:51    Post subject:  

fredx181 wrote:
Hi Toni,
Just for info, don't know a solution yet:
When installing your modified x11-xserver-utils package it is suddenly (after doing apt-get update) one of the "upgradable" packages I see in synaptic.

Fred

Hi, Fred.
Try this one (latest sid version):
http://smokey01.com/saintless/Fredx181/x11-xserver-utils_7.7+2_i386.deb
Removed cpp from dependencies and libxrandr2 changed to point stable version (>= 2:1.2.99.3). I see no problems with this but I will test it few days.
I think we should do something similar with xdm package.

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Jun 2014, 00:03    Post subject:  

mcewanw wrote:
This test file contains a mix of playlist types (using | and # as separators). I've not tested it myself yet (since on different machine) and haven't tried testing such mixture, but I think it should work...

Thanks, William.
It generates working playlist inside $HOME/.xhippo/playlists and I can play it with right click option from xhippo. Tested with root and puppy user. Works for both.

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Jun 2014, 05:50    Post subject:  

Hi, Fred.
Here is the fix for xdm and x11-xserver-utils upgradable issue:

1. Remove xdm if it is installed.

2. Install this one (it is sid latest version not upgradable. Only cpp removed from dependencies)::
http://smokey01.com/saintless/Fredx181/x11-xserver-utils_7.7+2_i386.deb

3. Extract this xdm package and change the content with the files from OpenBox setup in /etc/X11/xdm and /usr/share/X11/xdm
http://smokey01.com/saintless/Fredx181/xdm_1.1.11-2_i386-DebDog-Jwm-IceWm.deb
Now xdm is also not upgradable.

The changes from the original stable version xdm deb:
a) Removed only cpp dependency. All others left inside control file as it should be.
b) The version number change at the end (2 instead 1). There is no such version actually but this is the only way I found to prevent upgrade. I don't think this will make troubles later.
c) Changed confuguration files and pictures in /etc/X11/xdm and /usr/share/X11/xdm with thefiles from Jwm version setup.

4. Repack and install this new xdm package.

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Jun 2014, 05:58    Post subject:  

For information what I'm working on now:
http://live.debian.net/manual/oldstable/html/live-manual.en.html#513
Live-Snapshot is different persistent method in cpio.gz archive instead live-rw save file.
This is something Sergey pointed few times in the beginning but I did not have time to test it proper. Any information from anyone about this is welcome but it works with live-boot-2x on JWM version from quick test. Unfortunately it is not very well documented or at least not clear enough for me yet.
ForOpenBox version some files from live-boot-2 will be needed inside the system. I will get back with details later.

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Jun 2014, 14:05    Post subject:  

Quote:
Hi, Fred.
Here is the fix for xdm and x11-xserver-utils upgradable issue:


Thanks Toni!

About xdm I'm not sure yet to include because I still can't solve the complications it brings.

Here's what I think what the common updates for new version are:
When I'm not sure there's comment/question otherwise it's ok
Can you write your comments/answers between the lines? Then I have complete sight.

- Replace gmplayer with gnome-mplayer-1.0.7 and mplayer2:
Not include configuration for it in $HOME

- kernel upgrade pinning:
Shall we upgrade the kernel to latest: version 3.2.57-3+deb7u1 ?
Then content of /etc/apt/preferences should be:
Code:
Package: linux-image-3.2.0-4-486
Pin: version 3.2.57-3+deb7u1
Pin-Priority: 1001

I won't forget then that vmlinuz1 needs to be replaced. Smile

- Pup-Volume-monitor umount configuration change

- Remove dhcpclient and install new Frisbee .deb (also install the custom x11-xserver-utils from SID deb you made)

- FFMpeg scripts:
My choice to include is:
-- video2audio-gui-x (make .desktop file to show in menu)
-- video2audio-x (As an option from right-click menu to open video files)

- New apt2sfs version

- Scripts to change frisbee to SNS
(CLI option to replace Frisbee with SNS from local deb package)
-- Add to menu?: my vote is yes

- FFConvert + Pavrecord
Just install the debs from the site I guess.

- adduser puppy video + adduser puppy cdrom

- MakeDeb (replace right-click "build deb" ?)

- Remove swapon from live-boot-3x and add mount-swap script
where is mount-swap script? (to be honest I didn't search yet for it)

- DoMyCommand and DoMyFile script
Just install the debs from the site I guess.

- pet2sfs and pet2deb (I'll add to right-click menu)

- apt-get install xinput

- apt-get install apt-rdepends

- Script to activate touchpad tapping ??

- X11-Xserver-Utils (mentioned already above)

- xhippo update (not sure yet)

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Jun 2014, 15:08    Post subject:  

Hi, Fred.
Quote:
About xdm I'm not sure yet to include because I still can't solve the complications it brings.

No problem. I just gave the fix in case you need it.
Quote:
- Replace gmplayer with gnome-mplayer-1.0.7 and mplayer2:
Not include configuration for it in $HOME

Yes.
Quote:
- kernel upgrade pinning:
Shall we upgrade the kernel to latest: version 3.2.57-3+deb7u1 ?
Then content of /etc/apt/preferences should be:
Code:
Package: linux-image-3.2.0-4-486
Pin: version 3.2.57-3+deb7u1
Pin-Priority: 1001

I prefer not to upgrade the kernel. It will not be the last upgrade with sure and to be safe we will have to rebuild the initrd files again. For example after latest upgrade of 3.12 separate module it does not start X anymore on my old hardware but the old 3.12 separate module on the site does start X fine. I'm not sure upgrading is the best choice without proper testing first. And I will have to rebuild the default kernel module on the site again or to remove it. Pinning the current kernel version is what I prefer.
Quote:
- Pup-Volume-monitor umount configuration change

Yes, I already tested this long enough and works OK.
Quote:
- Remove dhcpclient and install new Frisbee .deb (also install the custom x11-xserver-utils from SID deb you made)

Yes.
Quote:
- FFMpeg scripts:
My choice to include is:
-- video2audio-gui-x (make .desktop file to show in menu)
-- video2audio-x (As an option from right-click menu to open video files)

OK, I will do the same. Not sure about the right click option but I will try.
Quote:
- New apt2sfs version

Yes.
Quote:
- Scripts to change frisbee to SNS
(CLI option to replace Frisbee with SNS from local deb package)
-- Add to menu?: my vote is yes

OK, menu entry.
Quote:
- FFConvert + Pavrecord
Just install the debs from the site I guess.

Yes.
Quote:
- adduser puppy video + adduser puppy cdrom

Running from puppy user with sudo in terminal the commands, logout and login again before remaster. Just to make sure the change groups are active from first login after remaster.
Quote:
- MakeDeb (replace right-click "build deb" ?)

No, I will not change right click redeb option in Jwm version. I still need to test and add some options to make-deb-package like automatic package size control entry and the names of the packages to be generated different way. I will upload deb package for testing in a few days but I will add it in JWM as option to use from terminal. But make your choice as you like for OpenBox, Fred.
Quote:
- Remove swapon from live-boot-3x and add mount-swap script
where is mount-swap script? (to be honest I didn't search yet for it)

It is from mountlink if I remember correct. You will find it here. I will add it in /opt/bin:
http://smokey01.com/saintless/Fredx181/new-kernel-scripts.tar.gz
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- DoMyCommand and DoMyFile script
Just install the debs from the site I guess.

Yes, but if you do not make the changes for xhippo better do not install DoMyFile. It depends on this changes.
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- pet2sfs and pet2deb (I'll add to right-click menu)

Yes, but I will use separate call scripts for single file convertion and all files from folder conversion. I can upload my setup if you like to do the same.
Quote:
- apt-get install xinput
- apt-get install apt-rdepends

Both are very small and useful.
Quote:
- Script to activate touchpad tapping ??

You can download it from here. I will just put it in /opt/bin The user will decide to symlink it in $HOME/Startup or not.
http://smokey01.com/saintless/Fredx181/tapbutton.tar.gz
Quote:
- xhippo update (not sure yet)

If not - skip DoMyFile.

More changes to come later, Fred. With sure I will add live-snapshot for live-boot-2x but not ready to set it up as I like yet.

Toni

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Jun 2014, 16:09    Post subject:  

Hi, Fred.

First problem with SNS. Gftp fails after entering the correct password:
Code:
PASS xxxx
530 Login authentication failed

I will test more tomorrow with remstered version with SNS instead frisbee.

Edit: The problem is only with the previous version from you, Fred.
The last one works and the first one that was only base and didn't work for you also works for Gftp. I will test more tomorrow but I think the last SNS version works fine for me.

Edit2: Actually the problem turns to be not exactly a problem. Changing frisbee with sns last version works fo Gftp password connection all the time. The previous version worked once the same way and 3 times with the error login message. But after running SNS setup from menu I get working Gftp connection with previous sns version also.

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Jun 2014, 19:40    Post subject:  

saintless wrote:

Yes, but if you do not make the changes for xhippo better do not install DoMyFile. It depends on this changes.


Toni, just a slight clarification to your above comment:

DoMyFile itself does not depend on the changes to xhippo. DoMyFile itself just depends on bash and gtkdialog being installed. Only the first command provided in DoMyFile needs make-xhippo-playlist installed; but any of the provided DoMyFile commands can be deleted (or altered) by the user (or the installer) if xhippo is not being used or is not being updated (in the form of updates to the backend xhplay and the radio streaming playlist convertor make-xhippo-playlist).

It is up to yourself Fred, if you find DoMyFile useful. It can be used to duplicate a few of the functionalities in your own ffmpeg scripts, and other file processing commands can be user added anytime, but again, these commandlines are editable or be removed from DoMyFile command list prior to installation if they are duplicating any functionality you don't want. DoMyFile has been available to Puppy for years really, though I used to call it Pfetch, and have updated that somewhat and renamed more appropriately, I feel, as DoMyFile. I actually used the program a lot when I was originally developing pavrecord, since it allowed my to test lots of the ffmpeg commandlines ultimately used in pavrecord. It is a separate matter if you are updating xhippo or not. If you are installing xhippo, you definitely should update it, since it is not just the ability to play streaming radio that is improved, but some fixes to the xhippo.config file allow some other media types to be played by it. The new commandline script make-xhippo-playlist is generally useful should xhippo be installed whether DoMyFile is installed or not (just using DoMyFile as a simple GUI for make-xhippo-playlist, but the latter can also be run from the commandline direct of course.

As far as streaming radio is concerned, xhippo can convert any of the Simple GTK Radio playlists and use them happily. However, xhippo does not include a search facility for those who wish to use large playlists; for that Simple GTK Radio is better (though I only personally use a couple of dozen streaming radio stations so xhippo is best for me for that since using lower a bit less RAM resources than a gtkdialog frontend such as Simple GTK Radio (though the additional RAM usage of Simple GTK Radio is a minor issue on most modern systems and it is only a small addition for those who want both).

I've been testing xhippo changes on current openbox debiandog too, and they seem to be all working fine.

Cheers, William

Note: Actually, xhippo binary is itself only a control program, which I'm happening to use via specially configured xhippo.config to control various underlying standalone player utilities. In fact xhplay and xhrecord are standalone commandline players that do not themselves depend on xhippo binary being installed (xhplay depends on alsa utils only for some of its audio playing capabilities, and mplayer if used also for video and streaming media playback. xhrecord just depends on alsa utils, in particular arecord and also lame for mp3 recording (albeit without stop, start, pause buttons etc if xhippo itself is not installed).

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Jun 2014, 01:11    Post subject:  

Thanks for explaining this, William.
My comment about DoMyFile was misleading.

Fred, the menu entry for changing frisbee could be "System" -> "Replace Frisbee with Simple-Network-Setup"
Or different if you have other suggestion, but I think we should add the same name in the same menu section for both versions.

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Jun 2014, 08:48    Post subject:  

Hi Toni, William,
Thanks for the clear explanations!
Quote:
About xdm I'm not sure yet to include because I still can't solve the complications it brings.

No problem. I just gave the fix in case you need it.

Btw, I found that the "working autologin" with XDM we discussed earlier is sort of fake:
When /etc/inittab stays the same you just autologin on tty3 like before but on tty7 there's xdm idle waiting to get a loginname and password.

Quote:

I prefer not to upgrade the kernel. It will not be the last upgrade with sure and to be safe we will have to rebuild the initrd files again.

Ok, just for info; I now downgraded the kernel to v 3.2.51-1 (I had 3.2.54 in openbox version) so both versions will have the same then.

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No, I will not change right click redeb option in Jwm version. I still need to test and add some options to make-deb-package like automatic package size control entry and the names of the packages to be generated different way.

Maybe you like new version I made more:
Attached makedebpackage_0.0.3_i386.deb.tar (remove dummy .tar)
It inserts automatic package size control entry and the name (in folder: <name>_newbuild) generated is exactly the same way as redeb does.
Also added fakeroot before dpkg-deb -b command which is very important in case the package is build by unprivileged user.
Needs very small package "fakeroot" installed though (not sure if you have it already on JWM version)

Now, excuse me, I have work to do on new iso Smile

EDIT:
Quote:
Fred, the menu entry for changing frisbee could be "System" -> "Replace Frisbee with Simple-Network-Setup"

I'll do exactly that.
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PostPosted: Sat 14 Jun 2014, 10:08    Post subject:  

Toni wrote:
Yes, but I will use separate call scripts for single file convertion and all files from folder conversion. I can upload my setup if you like to do the same.

Yes, please upload your pet2sfs and pet2deb setup.

EDIT:
One thing is not clear yet:
I do want to include DoMyFile, does xhippo need updated? and how?

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Jun 2014, 10:29    Post subject:  

Hi, Fred.

Extract the scripts in /opt/bin:
http://smokey01.com/saintless/Fredx181/Temp-stuff/pet2sfs-pet2deb-jwm-scripts.tar.gz

Then use symlink for right click option to:
pet2deb-convert - pet2deb for single pet file.
pet2deb-dir-convert - pet2deb for all pet files in directory.
pet2sfs-convert - pet2sfs for single pet file.
pet2sfs-dir-convert - pet2sfs for all pet files in directory.

The scripts are simple but work fine for me. Test them with small pets just to be sure all works.

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Jun 2014, 10:46    Post subject:  

Hi, Fred.

I think we should replace ipinfo inside deb packages for frisbee and sns with the one attached in this post:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=781110#781110
Any objections?

William wrote DoMyFile will work without xhippo upgrade for other commands.
About xhippo updates I think it is best William to explain it again in one post when he has time. I followed the instruction here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=782735#782735
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=782739#782739
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=782745#782745
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=782758#782758
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=782761#782761

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Jun 2014, 11:18    Post subject:  

saintless wrote:
Hi, Fred.

I think we should replace ipinfo inside deb packages for frisbee and sns with the one attached in this post:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=781110#781110
Any objections?

William wrote DoMyFile will work without xhippo upgrade for other commands.
About xhippo updates I think it is best William to explain it again in one post when he has time. I followed the instruction here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=782735#782735
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=782739#782739
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=782745#782745
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=782758#782758
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=782761#782761

Toni

I just tried that ipinfo and there are errors (you'll probably see them also when running frisbee from terminal and clicking "network status")
Some files are missing.
Btw, the occurrence of gawk needs changed to awk in ipinfo, also in new included frisbee.
Thanks for the pet2... scripts!

William, any chance you make a package for updating xhippo?

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Jun 2014, 11:54    Post subject:  

fredx181 wrote:
I just tried that ipinfo and there are errors (you'll probably see them also when running frisbee from terminal and clicking "network status")
Some files are missing.

Extract the attached one. Should be fine now. I really prefer this one if it works for you.

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