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dancytron

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PostPosted: Tue 01 Apr 2014, 16:57    Post subject:  

Just installed the latest ISO. Great job guys.

Installed as porteus as "manual frugal" install. Installed iceweasel, xineui, mesa-dri, mesa-utils, and lxterminal from synaptic. No issues.

Did remastercow and put resulting module in modules folder. Rebooted to a different changes folder. No issues, everything worked.

Only small issue is on set default apps utility, the size of the windows cuts off some of the instructions.

edit: realized I forgot to install flash. In order to get it, I had to add "contrib" to one of the repository lines in synaptic. Now rebuilding my module file using remasterdog.

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PostPosted: Tue 01 Apr 2014, 17:50    Post subject:  

saintless wrote:
Hi, Terry, Fred, William, Sergey and all interested from testing.
...
Uploaded DebianDog-PorteusDog-test2.iso - 107 Mb.
http://smokey01.com/saintless/Light-Wheezy/DebianDog-PorteusDog-test2.iso
...
Added examples-boot-codes text file in the iso.
Toni


Given it a quick spin and looking great. xdm, synaptics etc working fine with root and puppy user.

A few minor issues/suggestions at this stage:

1. I think it would be good to also put copy of fixed Examples-boot-codes.txt in http://smokey01.com/saintless/Light-Wheezy/. Also there are a few errors in the existing text (some just being small typos):

"Boot code exaqmples" should be "Boot code examples"

2. Since you are saying to copy "live" folder for Porteus method then (including spelling fix):

"This will create automaticly /portdeb/debian/changes" should be "This will create automatically /live/debian/changes"

3. I think the Porteus/saving_to_directory grub menu.list stanza needs changed from:

Code:
Like the previous one saving changes only at shutdown but in folder /live/changes:

Code:
title PorteusDog (sda1)
root (hd0,0)
kernel (hd0,0)/live/vmlinuz1 noauto from=/live/ changes=EXIT:/live/
initrd (hd0,0)/live/initrd1.xz


to:

Code:
Like the previous one saving changes only at shutdown but in folder /live/changes:

Code:
title PorteusDog (sda1)
root (hd0,0)
kernel (hd0,0)/live/vmlinuz1 noauto from=/live/ changes=EXIT:/live/debian/
initrd (hd0,0)/live/initrd1.xz


I am using this last method, though I am using a different partition (hd1,1) on my usb stick.

I suggest we thoroughly test multimedia facilities are all working on our machines as well as menu and other system components.
Also need to test both Xfe and Rox filemanagers working as expected in terms of mime handling, left and right mouse clicking default actions etc. Despite Xfe being available, I think it is important to remember that many Puppy Linux users will tend to use Rox in preference to Xfe at the beginning at least.

EDIT1: Should also check out what happens when alternative webbrowser is installed. I installed iceweasel but then made symbolic link from /usr/local/bin/default_web-browser back to /usr/lib/iceweasel/iceweasel. I should have tried using Set Dflt Apps under JWM menu Settings (which I think would best be in menu as "Set Default Apps") but forgot to. Problem I had was the desktop icon remains as the Dillo one with the big P in it unless I also change /usr/local/bin/default_web-browser.icon link to point to iceweasel icon.

EDIT2: I'm wondering if you should include deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free (EDIT: or as dancytron suggests above) in /etc/apt/sources.lst, so a user can easily install adobe flash with:

Code:

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree


or have a paragraph in Examples-boot-code.txt (maybe calling it install_information.txt or similar instead)? Or perhaps a link to a site that tells how to do it for Wheezy such as http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-linux-7-wheezy-install-flash-player/

or have a quick-set up script that does all that and other such stuff (calling up System -> Timezone program) for the user? Another job for Terry...? :-)

All in all, looking very nice now and clearly about ready for beta release in own thread. Well done Toni for keeping track of everything and getting it all together!

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PostPosted: Wed 02 Apr 2014, 01:33    Post subject:  

Guys; Basically there are 2 things that need to be done, #1 soon, # 2 sometime.
1) Find a point in the boot code before any partitions are mounted to do a fsck.

2) The aufs command makes the union and sets the layer order.
Stop the mount of the live-rw file and replace it with the dir. path /media/(part.)/live-rw
This is all that needs to be done to use a dir. for persistence.

# dzz answered at the Debian forum, a very helpful and knowledgeable guy.
/live/image is mounted ro, so it can`t be used as is for a Live dir.
Apparently the image file only needs to be rw, it being on a ro partition doesn`t matter.?
But he said there was a work-around, I`m guessing remount /live/image to rw.
As it is now, there`s no point in having a live dir. So USB Install will use an image file.

### HELP... I`m stuck on grub4dos. Nothing explains what`s really going on.
The Puppy help pages actually explained most of it. But I`m still stuck on details.

### Is this correct.? 4 files are needed:
bootlace.com puts grldr.mbr in drive`s MBR.
At boot MBR runs grldr that uses menu.lst info.

Apparently for Linux the boot flag does not matter, but some BIOS need it.


dancytron; I`ll look at the Set Default Apps utility.


Currently debdog-install does: drive wipe, partition, format, and makes good live-rw file.
BUT... It will not copy the DebDog files from the live dir. It`s fine cli, but the script fails.
# I`ve been staring at code too long. Can some one find what I can`t see.?
The section that the copy command fails is marked: #########

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PostPosted: Wed 02 Apr 2014, 01:53    Post subject:  

Thank you for testing, guys!

William, Dancytron,
Just change /etc/apt/sources.list with sources.list.bak in the same folder. It has all needed repositories. I will change them for the beta.
I use the default sources to be sure nothing non-free will be added in DebianDog.
I will fix the typos.

Default browser and Default browser icon - I'm not sure we can have them both changing auto. I left them to be changed manual from Set Default Apps GUI. We have to remove Default Browser Icon if we make every new browser to auto-become default.

Terry.
Quote:
But he said there was a work-around, I`m guessing remount /live/image to rw.

Do not waste time to search workaround. As I wrote it is already done for DebianDog.
saintless wrote:
In initrd.img /scripts/live line 1829 I added:
Code:
mount -o remount,rw /root/live/image

which does the rw remounting of /live/image

I will try to dig out some info for grub4dos and test.
Debian Wheezy do not have default boot fsck so this will need changing the code in initrd.img.

Fred, does porteus initrd have boot code for fsck?

Toni

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PostPosted: Wed 02 Apr 2014, 02:08    Post subject:  

Toni; I ment to ask if the login gui is a text thing like ncurses.? It looks pre-desktop.
I was thinking boot codes and some setup options could be put into a check box panel.

Sorry I have not been able to do any testing for you. Hopefully in a day or so...
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PostPosted: Wed 02 Apr 2014, 02:27    Post subject:  

Terry, I think to make DebianDog autologin as root without using XDM by default.
Multiuser is working fine but I doubt many puppy users will like the login prompt at every boot.
There is easy switch on option typing xdm-start and reboot to get back XDM login. And with all Rematser scripts options it is easy to make what you need from DebianDog now.
I also plan to try to make Slim login manager work and add it as debian package or sfs file as optional login prompt on the site.

Toni
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mcewanw

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PostPosted: Wed 02 Apr 2014, 06:07    Post subject:  

sunburnt wrote:

### Is this correct.? 4 files are needed:
bootlace.com puts grldr.mbr in drive`s MBR.
At boot MBR runs grldr that uses menu.lst info.


I use grub4dos on this machine I'm typing on, and have used it pretty much always since 2008. However, once it is installed, I tend to forget about the details since all I need to bother about thereafter is what I put in menu.lst.

Nevertheless, from memory, the 4 files you mention sound correct.

A grub4dos tutorial link:

http://diddy.boot-land.net/grub4dos/files/install.htm

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PostPosted: Wed 02 Apr 2014, 06:32    Post subject:  

Hi, all.

Just tested the localization with bulgarian language. Adding only /usr/share/locale/bg folder works for the programs and I can get debian-root-menu translated (most of it) in my native language.
Unfortunately it is not possible for mk-jwm root menu.
For root menu localization the user will have to use menu-debian option.

Toni

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PostPosted: Wed 02 Apr 2014, 06:45    Post subject:  

sunburnt wrote:
BUT... It will not copy the DebDog files from the live dir. It`s fine cli, but the script fails.
# I`ve been staring at code too long. Can some one find what I can`t see.?
The section that the copy command fails is marked: ######

Terry, I get error failed mounting for hard drive partition in this section.
Code:
      mkdir -p "$MNT"
      mount -t "$FS" "/dev/$PART" "$MNT"
      [ "$?" -gt 0 ]&& xmessage -center " Partition Mount Failed." && exec "$0"

Not tested proper with usb yet since I have only 512Mb one free at the moment. I will test it with 8Gb usbe in the next days.

About the copy failed command I think you should add -r or -rf as option because of subfolders in /live and /live/debian (but I might be wrong):
Code:
      cp -r /media/iso/* "$MNT/live"
      cp -r "${PF%/*}/*" "$MNT/live"

I think it also should be "$MNT" instead "$MNT/live" since the copy command is cp /media/iso/*

Toni

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sfs

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PostPosted: Wed 02 Apr 2014, 08:42    Post subject:  

sunburnt wrote:

### HELP... I`m stuck on grub4dos. Nothing explains what`s really going on.

bootlace - does not work with ext4
weesetup need
http://forum.puppyrus.org/index.php/topic,15557.0.html
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PostPosted: Wed 02 Apr 2014, 11:27    Post subject:  

sfs wrote:
http://forum.puppyrus.org/index.php/topic,15557.0.html

Привет и большое спасибо для помощи по porteus-initrd!
Thank for your help with porteus-initrd, Sfs!

Terry, it seems bootloader created with bootlace does not load grldr from ext4 partition.
I see some discussion here about this:
http://code.google.com/p/grub4dos-chenall/issues/detail?id=3
I read puppyrus forum pointed from Sfs to use this code for weesetup for solving UEFI secure boot if I understand right:
Code:
fdisk -l /dev/sdb |egrep ' GPT$'


Terry, I had positive experience creating bootable flash drive with unetbootin. Maybe we can use something from unetbootin flash setup method or create separate Unetbootin module for making bootable flash drive from DebianDog.iso?

Toni

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PostPosted: Wed 02 Apr 2014, 13:03    Post subject:  

Hi, all.

I'm making some changes on the site. Created new DebianDog folder where the Beta iso will be placed later.
http://smokey01.com/saintless/DebianDog/
Two subfolders System-modules and extra-modules

System-modules content:
http://smokey01.com/saintless/DebianDog/System-modules/
00-locale-files.squashfs - 22Mb. - all /usr/share/locale files included. I think there is no need to create separate archives from each folder since single click on the module will open the content in new window with easy copy/paste option for any language folder in the system for remastering with only needed locales included.
.
00-man-doc-info.squashfs -29 Mb. - all /usr/share/man-doc-info files in case someone needs them.

02-wheeze-boot-folder.squashfs - /boot folder with kernel and initrd modules for 3.2.0-4-486 and 3.2.0-4-686-pae.

Separate kernel modules available for user remaster:

021-kernel-486.zip - default included in DebianDog. Available for download in case it is needed for remaster tests and test with other live linux as puppy.

022-kernel-686-pae.zip - Pae debian kernel

023-kernel-porteus-3.9.11.zip - Porteus kernel from first Porteus wheezy with option to add dpkg database information. Eventualy it will have problems to make linux-headers work but I think it is good to have it.

All we need is to extract the archives in /live and to change the boot code to point the correct initrd and vmlinuz and reboot.
All kernel modules have /opt/bin/script to update dpkg database if needed. Single click on the script does the job.

Remastering with new kernel process - boot with the new kernel and apt-get purge the default 486 kernel to save space. remove the previous vmlinuz and initrd from /live. Use RemasterDog to make DebianDog different kernel version and new iso.

06-DEVX-DebDog-2.squashfs - Devx compile programs module.

Initrd files for different save file options:

initrd-3.2.0-4-486-linux-live.xz - for linix-live boot similar to Porteus boot with similar save file options made by Fred.

initrd1-live-boot-v3-3.2.0-4-486.img - original Debian Wheezy initrd created with live-boot v.3

initrd2-live-boot-v3-3.2.0-4-686-Pae.img - original Debian Wheezy initrd created with live-boot v.3

Extra-modules folder for extra sfs modules:
051-smo-freeoffice.squashfs - SoftMakerOffice-FreeOffice - needs free registration with e-mail to use it.
More to be added later.

We keep Fredx181 folder for deb packages and other files related to DebianDog and Porteus-Wheezy:
http://smokey01.com/saintless/Fredx181/
Some cleaning and editing of the packages there is needed. I found gnumeric.sfs does not have working executable link for example. It will be fixed in time.

Fred,
if you like to have something different structured in Porteus-Wheezy folder just write what is needed.

Toni

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PostPosted: Wed 02 Apr 2014, 13:19    Post subject:  

Hi Toni
It didn't happen overnight but now we got something!
Quote:
Uploaded DebianDog-PorteusDog-test2.iso - 107 Mb.
http://smokey01.com/saintless/Light-Wheezy/DebianDog-PorteusDog-test2.iso

Just a few minor issues to solve and the beta is ready I think.
What we didn't think of (well, at least I didn't) is the fact that it can't be installed on a FAT partition because of the symlink in the base folder for porteus boot (symlinks not supported by FAT).
I'll see if I can come up for an idea about that, at least the user should be warned about it.

Installed some programs and menu updates fine, with icons, great job by Terry!

The installer from Terry looks promising and IMHO it's a must to include.

So many things to test, I tested of course if porteus-boot-method works with the saving and all, it's fine except for the makepfile.sh script, it is not updated with progress bar (see below for new one, remove dummy .tar extension).

One unexpected thing for me was:
When activating some module there should be no traces left when you deactivate it.
But there are; in the menu, because of the mk.jwm generating I think.
Refresh-menus from menu made them disappear though.
Maybe it's me but I have same problem as William described about Wallpapers; stretch doesn't work, tested it with 06.jpg and still see bars on left and right (I have normal monitor, not wide-screen).

I like your decision for autologin as default on coming beta.
I'll test some more in next few days.

Fred
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PostPosted: Wed 02 Apr 2014, 13:46    Post subject:  

Hi Toni
Quote:
Fred,
if you like to have something different structured in Porteus-Wheezy folder just write what is needed.

Yes, good idea, something like 'packages-porteus-wheezy' maybe for e.g. special xfce, openbox or whatever packages.
Coming more I expect but here's one:(see attached, remove dummy .tar)

About fsck for porteus-boot you asked:
Savefile will always be checked by default.
For all partitions to check there's boot parameter 'fsck'

Fred
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PostPosted: Wed 02 Apr 2014, 13:59    Post subject:  

Hi, Fred.
New folder for Porteus-Wheezy apps only:
http://smokey01.com/saintless/Porteus-Wheezy/Packages-Porteus-Wheezy/
I will also test mostly in the next few days and then I will add all fixes we find.

Toni

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