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PostPosted: Sat 15 Mar 2014, 03:28    Post subject:  

Hi, William.
mcewanw wrote:
This looks great now, Toni!

Yes, much better than it was at the beginning Smile
BTW we can run xclock, xeyes, or similar program as an option in the login screen but the default login will stay as it is on the picture.

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PostPosted: Sat 15 Mar 2014, 13:11    Post subject:  

Toni; I`ve waited for DebianDog`s apps to get finalized to make a group of Open-With links.
I have PicDrop parsing some image sizes. I`ll make desktop files for ArcDorp & PicDrop.
I made a bunch of links for Open-With, but setting up the menu will add more desktop files.

# Here is JWM menu. # It is stand alone, do not use any Debian or other menu utilities.

It has the jwm.head_Fred file with more leading menu items in it. It takes up the root menu.
I was thinking some of them should have desktop files and they can be in the sub menus.
I`m not sure which ones are good for this, you can use my Desktop Editor, or post me a list.
To use jwm.head_Fred, rename jwm.head to jwm.head_ORG and jwm.head_Fred to jwm.head

It`s going to take a little work getting the menu-root.lst and categories.lst files edited.
I think more root menu groups are needed. Some root menu groups are empty ( Games ).
While doing this we need to add desktop files for all the apps that need them.

Delete ALL old menu files in $HOME/.jwm and /opt/bin
Put HOME_.jwm.zip and opt_bin.zip files in the proper dirs and extract them. Delete zip files.

Run mk-jwm.menu and try clicking the JWM menu. All installed icons should show.
My menu will show icons in /usr/share/pixmaps with no path, and all icons with /path/icon

It works well for me, we know how apps can fail on other PCs, but I think it`ll work first time.
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PostPosted: Sat 15 Mar 2014, 13:43    Post subject:  

Thank you, Terry.
Not sure if I can test it proper tonight but it will be my first job tomorrow.

Toni

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PostPosted: Sat 15 Mar 2014, 14:44    Post subject:  

Hi All
Here's a way to exit X and go to commandline on tty1 without having to press Ctrl+Alt+F1:
Code:
apt-get purge console-tools

It will install kbd instead then and problem solved Smile

Fred
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PostPosted: Sat 15 Mar 2014, 15:58    Post subject:  

Hi Terry
Just tried your menu-maker.
It seems a lot faster then your previous mk-menus and almost all icons show.
However it has some disadvantages e.g.:
When opening ePDFviewer or gpicview I get this error message like this:
Code:
Error Loading File "%f"

I have Iceweasel installed and when running from menu:
Code:
Iceweasel can't find the server at www.%u.com

These should come from the Exec= line in the .desktop file.
I didn't see these errors with previous mk-menus.

Some suggestions for greater chance of icons showing:
- include in IconPath also for example: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/24x24/apps
- install lxde-icon-theme, copy all files then from (for example): /usr/share/icons/nuoveXT2/24x24/apps to /usr/share/pixmaps
And remove lxde-icon-theme if you wish then.

Good luck!

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PostPosted: Sat 15 Mar 2014, 17:57    Post subject:  

Hi Fred; It`s the %f and %u that`s the problem of course. They`re meta data for media apps.
Previous mk-menus removed them. I thought it`d be okay, but I`ll fix mk-menus.

# Fred, if you have the the icons from lxde-icon-theme already, just post them.
I looked in Lxde Puppy ISO I have and there`s very few icons ( probably removed...).

# mk-menus only tests & modifies an icon`s path if path is bad, tries /usr/share/pixmaps.
I could have it try all the paths set by IconPath, but there`s so little in the /icon dir.

# We could just link: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps => to /usr/share/pixmaps
But this has the same problem as IconPath, a new theme in /icons is not in the icon path.
# /icons is pre-sized icons. But menus & desktops auto. size icons anyway. Outdated

# I could have mk-menus write the <IconPath> statements, one for each theme in /icons


# Toni; Need to add this line to the jwm.tail file where the other <IconPath> statements are.
Code:
<IconPath>/usr/share/icons/hicolor/24x24/apps</IconPath>
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PostPosted: Sat 15 Mar 2014, 18:54    Post subject:  

Hi Terry
Quote:
It`s the %f and %u that`s the problem of course. They`re meta data for media apps.
Previous mk-menus removed them. I thought it`d be okay, but I`ll fix mk-menus.

Maybe I'm wrong but I think the opposite:
Just remove the %f and %u if you can, afaik they are useless for JWM menu, just causing error messages.
They are useful for xfce (or lxde I think also) to point to .desktop file on "open with ..."

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PostPosted: Sat 15 Mar 2014, 22:53    Post subject:  

Thanks for the icons Fred, always looking for more.

# Here`s the meta data fix we talked about.
You can see this is a short section of the mk-menus file.
Just comment out the old command at line #16.
And add the new command that strips the meta data at line #18.
Code:
if [ "$TEST" != 'y' ];then

   cd $HOME/.jwm

#   mk-jwm.main > ./jwm.main

   mk-jwm.main |sed 's, %.,,g' > ./jwm.main      # remove meta data exec. args.

   cat ./jwm.head ./jwm.main ./jwm.tail >  ../.jwmrc

   jwm -restart

else                  ###   Test code
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PostPosted: Sun 16 Mar 2014, 01:35    Post subject:  

fredx181 wrote:
Hi All
Here's a way to exit X and go to commandline on tty1 without having to press Ctrl+Alt+F1:
Code:
apt-get purge console-tools

It will install kbd instead then and problem solved :)

Fred


Good one Fred. Thanks.

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PostPosted: Sun 16 Mar 2014, 05:37    Post subject:  

fredx181 wrote:
Hi All
Here's a way to exit X and go to commandline on tty1 without having to press Ctrl+Alt+F1:
Code:
apt-get purge console-tools

It will install kbd instead then and problem solved Smile

Fred

Thank you, Fred.
I remember Dancytron also made the same suggestion to replace console-tools with kbd while back in this thread regarding some fonts issue. Debian documentation says console-tools are new replacement for kbd but since it makes troubles we will change it.

Toni

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PostPosted: Sun 16 Mar 2014, 05:40    Post subject:  

Hi, Terry.
Seems new mk-jwm.menu is working OK for me as well. I have to add some more .desktop files and I will test it more and report back.

Toni

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PostPosted: Sun 16 Mar 2014, 11:58    Post subject:  

sunburnt wrote:
Just comment out the old command at line #16.
And add the new command that strips the meta data at line #18.
Code:
#   mk-jwm.main > ./jwm.main

   mk-jwm.main |sed 's, %.,,g' > ./jwm.main


Hi, Terry.
I also will use this line. for DebianDog.
Up to the moment new mk-jwm.menu works fine. I had to add many desktop files and still have to create new ones for the content of System and Utilities.
We need to sort the menu categories better and to replace the programs from some category to another. We will do it in the process.
We have menu entry buttons to switch from menu-puppy (mk-jwm.menu) to menu-debian now.
Menu-debian will be the default till we fix menu-puppy.
I edited a little make-save and wallpapers names entry in your desktop files. The names were too long. I hope you do not mind.
Added desktop icons from Fred in /usr/share/pixmaps and the icon path <IconPath>/usr/share/icons/hicolor/24x24/apps</IconPath>

Much more to do to set it up but in the next testing module we will have mk-jwm.menu included.

Console-tools are removed and kbd installed.

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PostPosted: Sun 16 Mar 2014, 12:05    Post subject:  

fredx181 wrote:
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uxterm doesn't run Fred on my machine. Seems to be a locale issue.

Yes, perhaps package locales needs to be installed but I think in future updated version I'll just remove it because there's xterm and xfce4-terminal already.

Hi, Fred.
If you like to keep uxterm I have it now working in DebianDog. It needs only one small file to be added in /usr/share I can upload it in no time with path to place it.

Toni

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PostPosted: Sun 16 Mar 2014, 14:01    Post subject:  

Toni; It sounds like you`re talking about the GenericName= , it`s a very long description.
But mk-jwm.main only uses Name= , which is very short.

Maybe you are talking about the Debian menu, maybe it uses GenericName= to make menu.?

Looking at DebianDog and Puppy desktop files, most have Name= as a short item.
There doesn`t seem to be much consistency in the way desktop files are made ( like usual...).
I`ve seen GenericName= used for the Comment= , and all other poor uses.

That`s why I made Desktop File Editor, because I realized many desktop files need fixing.
It edits & creates desktop files with the most important variables, and menus don`t use all of them.
Only variable I can think of that should be added to it is Terminal=true/false
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PostPosted: Sun 16 Mar 2014, 14:12    Post subject:  

sunburnt wrote:
Maybe you are talking about the Debian menu, maybe it uses GenericName= to make menu.?.

Yes, Terry. The debian update-menus method creates this long titles. It can switch them to short ones but I have to reconfigure all other debian menu files in /etc/menu-methods to get the result I have now for debian menu. I prefer to edit few menu files than loosing the result I have with debian menu. I still can not get use to debian menu method to set it as I want easy.
I still experiment with your mk-jwm.menu so I might be wrong somewhere.

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