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#16 Post by James C »

Installed Iceweasel and MTpaint........

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user@debian:~$ uname -r
3.2.0-4-486
user@debian:~$ uname -a
Linux debian 3.2.0-4-486 #1 Debian 3.2.51-1 i686 GNU/Linux
user@debian:~$ 
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#17 Post by sunburnt »

Tx James; I`ll give it a try immediately.

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#18 Post by sunburnt »

The menu EXIT exits JWM and it restarts, and RESTART restarts JWM. There`s no shutdown.

Tried login with "root" and it replies Login incorrect. So I can`t install anything.

# Pentum D 805 ( 64 bit cpu I`m sure. ). I`m using vmlinuz1 for the non-pae kernel.
I had to dig through the config. files to find out which one was which.
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#19 Post by James C »

sunburnt wrote:The menu EXIT exits JWM and it restarts, and RESTART restarts JWM. There`s no shutdown.
I've been using the terminal.. "sudo poweroff" or "sudo reboot".
sunburnt wrote:Tried login with "root" and it replies Login incorrect. So I can`t install anything.

# Pentum D 805 ( 64 bit cpu I`m sure. ). I`m using vmlinuz1 for the non-pae kernel.
I had to dig through the config. files to find out which one was which.
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Used "sudo" to run apt-get and install packages too.Worked for me anyway.

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#20 Post by Schpankme »

sunburnt wrote:
... apt-get
... This distro has Debian parentage.
... Most Puppies have no real package parentage.
... Debian "just works"...
Thx, this 'parentage is what I liked about Debian 7.2; which does allow for Minimal Debian Install:

Getting Debian (http://www.debian.org) > small installation image (select required iso) > Install to Flash drive or CD

Boot > Debian Installer Boot Menu > Advanced Options > Expert Install > Follow the prompts from here ...


edit: Debian changed the links - updated
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[url=http://www.smokey01.com/pemasu/DpupWheezy/DpupWheezy35211][b]Puppy Wheezy 3.5.2.11[/b][/url]
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[url=http://www.wellminded.com/puppy/pupsearch.htm]Search Puppy Linux for Answers[/url]

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#21 Post by sunburnt »

James C; How about a quick tutorial on apt-get installing.?
Ones for Ice Weasel and MtPaint would be good.

Also... How is Wheezy saving anything at all.?

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#22 Post by saintless »

musher0 wrote:Hi, Toni.

I tried to boot using three of the four options, and each one hangs at:
[ok] Starting anac(h)ronistic cron: anacron
I suppose that doesn't help much, does it?

Oh well. BFN.

musher0
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PS. If you think it'll help, I'll PM you an "inxi" description of my rig.
Thanks, Musher0,
it helps and anacron is already removed.

Thanks for all the tests, guys.
Please, do not play with this version anymore. The main reason was to see if network and apt get is working.
It is in very rough unshaped form yet. There is no links in the menu connected to www browser etc.

Wait a few days to upload proper version for testing. I hope the size also be smaller.

Do not use autologin option in grub menu with this version. Use noautologin.
You should get to command prompt logged as user. Then type:

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sudo login
login as root with password marina and type startx.
But better wait few days for better shaped version from this one.
If you are logged in as user type susdo infront every command:
sudo apt-get update
sudo reboot

How tyo use apt get:

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apt-get update
If you like GUI package manager:

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apt-get install synaptic
If you search apps with apt-get:

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apt-cache search name-or-part-of-package-name
After installing applications run:

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apt-get clean
to remove the downloaded deb-files in /var/cache/apt/archives

If you want only to download packages without installing them:

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apt-get -d install package-name
If you install downloaded deb package use:

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dpkg -i package-name
Then install missing dependencies with:

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apt-get -f install
To fully remove installed package and configuration files:

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apt-get purge package-name

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apt-get autoremove
Trying to slimm down light wheezy today and tomorrow and I will upload similar to light squeeze version for proper testing.
Then I will try to document all you need to know how to use debian.

Save file in wheezy is a bit of a pain to explain proper. I had to do it three times to make it work. It is easy if you know how to do it by the way. Let me upload the new wheezy version and I will do this at the same time.

Cheers, Toni

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#23 Post by James C »

sunburnt wrote:James C; How about a quick tutorial on apt-get installing.?
Ones for Ice Weasel and MtPaint would be good.

Also... How is Wheezy saving anything at all.?
I haven't tried saving yet.....was just testing apt-get.

Almost time for sleep again but here goes..........

In a terminal run sudo apt-get update (follow the prompts and answer any questions).This updates all package lists/cache etc.

To install Iceweasel,in a terminal again run sudo apt-get install iceweasel (will need to answer "y" a couple of times).

To install Mtpaint, you guessed it, in a terminal run sudo apt-get install mtpaint (answer "y""a couple more times).

If running as root you could forget the "sudo".
If bored a little light reading......
http://www.binarytides.com/apt-get-tuto ... mmandline/

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#24 Post by saintless »

Thanks, James C,
Wheezy changed much the debian live structure. I have no dea way and have to read more about.
Save file can be implemented with a script or commands easy. So don't think of this now. Wait two days for the next version and save file instructions.

Cheers, Toni

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#25 Post by sunburnt »

Looks good guys, many thanks.
And James, the web page is a good one, found many not so good ones.

I increase my Debian knowledge for the next day or so.
I used Deb about 15 years ago, and again 10 years ago. Been so long it`s foggy.
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#26 Post by Smithy »

So what is Sid? Is he compatible.

I noticed it has newer updated versions over the other two repositories.

If Linux is confusing to the experts, think what it does to the testers!

Any chance of a version with bloody inflexible jwm removed and an openbox tint2 version, at least puppy/debian frankenstein can then have some transparency and make taskbars, icons bigger/ smaller, more cohesive.

Anyways good job on the LDCLCD Wheezy Saintless!

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#27 Post by James C »

Smithy wrote:So what is Sid? Is he compatible.

I noticed it has newer updated versions over the other two repositories.
My personal favorite branch of Debian. Sid is classified as unstable ......less tested and occasionally crashes and burns. :lol: I have several Sid installs and they are, as the classification says, more unstable than Wheezy.

Stable ............... Wheezy

Testing .............. Jessie

Unstable ............Sid


More interesting reading....

http://www.debian.org/releases/

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#28 Post by saintless »

Smithy wrote:Any chance of a version with bloody inflexible jwm removed and an openbox tint2 version, at least puppy/debian frankenstein can then have some transparency and make taskbars, icons bigger/ smaller, more cohesive.
Hi, Smithy,
way making another distro with no options to change it the way you like to? What you want is so easy:

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apt-get install openbox

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apt-get install tint2
The idea is to make one small core booting to jwm with working network connection and xterm only included.
From here you can do all you want.

I will do this core plus one version with some applications as I can do it best without growing up the size more than 100-120 Mb. Hope less than 100 Mb.

This is the plan for wheezy and squeeze version.

I agree it is not newb friendly much but puppy is what we love and mostly use here. It is unbeatable in this direction for so small size and so many apps. Light Debian Core is an option to do things that will be much harder in puppy - downloading programs from big stable repositories and have them working in few minutes.

Cheers, Toni

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#29 Post by Smithy »

Ok, thanks for the info on these.

It was unbelievably difficult to get a fully working Qtractor/Jack in Pemasu's Wheezy, but I eventually managed it (only up to 0.5.1 in Wheezy).
I have a list of the debs that will do it, if there is a madman out there who wants to make a pet, but there were many many debs that were not required (the duplicates issue). One wrong move and it all messed up.

Trouble is, that Pemasu has done loads of fixes (which is good) but I would have to start all over again to get it all back, like riding a bucking bronco lol.

If we can navigate round your Light Debian like Puppy then it will be another fine distro!

Until Barry comes back and trumps everyone with a super puppy or something.

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#30 Post by sklimkin »

Hi, Toni.
In the newly created Debian (release 6.0.7 kernel 3.2.0-4-686-pae both squeeze & wheezy) I install live-boot & live-boot-initramfs-tools & live-config.
But I can not dynamically load ("on the fly") *.sfs (*.sqauashfs) programs.
I can not also save the state of the system through the live-snapshot (it missing).
Live-cd-iso I do through debootstrap and chroot, but it does not change a thing.

It is difficult to understand who spoiled these tools:
team of Debian by adding systemd & drakut or author of live-tools Daniel Baumann.
But it is clear that both tend to be at the level of the latest trends.
And "the dog is buried here".

Possible solution can be found when reading these files:
/lib/live/boot/FIXME ("explanations & apologies"),
/lib/live/boot.sh
/lib/live/config/0010-debconf
But I do not understand how to take advantage of.

One more thing: by creating ubuntu-live-iso I use the old:
live-boot_2.0.15-1_all.deb & live-boot-initramfs-tools_2.0.15-1_all.deb
and everything works as it should.
But I can not use these packages in Debian, unfortunately - they are for ubuntu only.

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#31 Post by saintless »

Hi, Sklimkin,
I guess you mean building new debian base with chroot?
I've never tried loading on the fly. I'm 100% positive it is possible because I know JBV is working on this option for FoxyRoxyLinux and he has a solution.
Live-snapshot - I guess you mean something like:

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mksquashfs /live/cow /live/image/live/shapshot.squashfs
Wheezy does not have Copy On Write or cow folder anymore. It least I can't find any place where the changes take effect. It uses tmpfs on few places I guess. It is a mistery for me why they changed this useful option to create snapshot with your changes without having save file.
Anyway there is a way to remaster wheezy with shapshot from save file or partition called persistence with persistence.conf file inside. This configuration file gives options to save all changes or even changes in only one or few folders (which is good). I think it will be easy to automate snapshot process for both wheezy and squeeze.

I've never build debian with chroot like you so I don't think I can give advice how to fix things there. If I missunderstand something from your post, please, clarify it again.

Cheers, Toni

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#32 Post by sunburnt »

Smithy and any others; It`s important to distinguish between the Deb-Live distro and Puppy builds.
They are not at all the same... Saintless is basically reverse-engineering Puppy here.

If Deb-Live just keeps changing the setup, then make a stand-alone snapshot builder.
Then it won`t matter what changes they`ve made, set it up as you want and make a clone.
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#33 Post by Smithy »

Yes I understand what Saintless is doing Sunburnt, he is doing a Dr Frankenstein in his lab.

I've not even tried it yet, because it might be a little advanced for me, and I know me way round Puppy quite a bit, and lately Pemasu Wheezy, so I will hang with that for now, 'cos it is doing everything I need it to and I'm sure the pc seems to run more quietly with it.

I think it's good that people are doing stuff with Puppy, beats ram raiding or drivebye's.

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#34 Post by sunburnt »

I don`t know if I would characterize it as a Dr. Frankenstein, but it`s innovative.

Actually in reality, Puppy is the Frankenstein, or Frankinweeny.? ( Disney movie )
Debian on the other hand is the base for most Linux distros being made today.

# From another post:
amigo called Puppy a square wheel that was being reinvented ( Very Funny... :lol: ).
His apt analogy points out, that to develop Puppy you`re starting out with damaged goods.

I like Saintless`s approach better. Take Deb. Wheezy and reverse engineer a Puppy clone.
Now apt-get and all the other "it-just-works" things about Debian is all part of the package.
Not to mention Debian`s excellent repository of nearly every freeking app ever made.
I don`t intend to pretend that Deb. is perfect, but many have my opinion it`s the best choice.
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#35 Post by sklimkin »

Hi Toni,
If I missunderstand something from your post, please, clarify it again.

To clarify (I do not know English) here are some links.
How could I tried to express their thoughts and results in English.
I hope that you do not scare the inscription in Russian online sharing services.

http://yadi.sk/d/Juoa0RVbCouhv - debian-live dir shared
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about-debian-live.txt 1 KB
http://yadi.sk/d/YN4EpoJcE85q4

HowToMake-custom-Live-CD-ISO.txt 14 KB
http://yadi.sk/d/sGStG4-QDFA4m

install-debian+LXDE+slim-log.txt 24 KB
http://yadi.sk/d/40iR7vznE86Sk

debian-wheezy-LXDE-live.iso 262.6 MB
http://yadi.sk/d/jaDtHF5RDF9FD


http://yadi.sk/d/yjJolP5ICqWMB - ubuntu-live dir shared
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ubuntu-lucid-gnome-panel_sfs.iso 307.9 MB
http://yadi.sk/d/tIT2aDSEDr8q9

http://yadi.sk/d/yOT-R-iv7x8Qc - ubuntu-sfsl-130809-live (mod) dir shared
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ubuntu-live-130809m.iso 146.8 MB
http://yadi.sk/d/6ASHDRMzDFArX

!!! The best !!!
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http://blog.willhaley.com/create-a-cust ... vironment/
https://wiki.debian.org/ReduceDebian

Sergey.

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