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sklimkin

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PostPosted: Wed 05 Feb 2014, 12:02    Post subject:  

Thank you Fred!
1.
As one character in the Indian tale "The Golden Antelope":
"Now we see them, we now compare them."
2.
I forgot to say earlier, but now remembered:
relogin (Menu-->logout-->restartX) in 'Porteus-Wheezy' does not fulfill until the end - startx directive is not satisfied, it has to be entered from the keyboard.
3.
I'm joined on one CD-ISO-image of the 'Debian-Wheezy' and 'Porteus-Wheezy' as well as the boot-manager took grub4dos.
This option certainly has a larger size, but you can switch not only between different methods of loading (debian-live & porteus), but also between different WM (ICEWM & XFCE). I like this opportunity.

Sergey.

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PostPosted: Wed 05 Feb 2014, 12:18    Post subject:  

fredx181 wrote:
Quote:
new Porteus-Wheezy2-deb-kernel.iso:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByBgCDlZZ8K5S1p2TVpfSDV1Njg/edit?usp=sharing


Sorry, forgot to upload, starting now, may take some time.

EDIT: 14 minutes later:
New revision of Porteus-Wheezy2-deb-kernel.iso uploaded:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByBgCDlZZ8K5S1p2TVpfSDV1Njg/edit?usp=sharing

Fred

Thank you, Fred.
I will upload this one on the site.
Thank you for the fixed initrd also.

Toni

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PostPosted: Wed 05 Feb 2014, 12:30    Post subject:  

Hi, Sergey.
sklimkin wrote:
1.
How to add a button "keyboard switcher" on the panel (preferably with the country-flag icons): Eng--<other_language>
For example the Germans need umlauts, the Spanish have the letter N with tilde above.

I don't know how you can do this in iceWm or JWM. The taskbur program icons are in /etc/x11/icewm/toolbar You can experiment with this file.
I use Alt+Shift to change the keyboard layout. after running:
Code:
dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration


Quote:
2.
Need a hint:
I know how to make sfs(xzm)-module with programs to after connecting this module in system, a new menu item appears to start the program. But this only applies to XFCE (LXDE).
I make file <program-name>.desktop and place it in /usr/local/share/applications/ (or in usr/share/applications/).
I do not know how to do it in JWM. Now I can run the connected program only through the terminal.

You need a file for the program in /usr/share/menu Open one of the files there and you will see what is needed.
Then after loading the sfs module run update-menus in terminal and it will appear in the start menu.
You can also add start icon in taskbar from /etc/x11/icewm/toolbar

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3.
AbiWord.sfs works in 'Light-Wheezy' - thanks Toni !
In 'Porteus-Wheezy' message about missing lib.

I will check out in the next days what is needed for porteus-wheezy.

Toni

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PostPosted: Wed 05 Feb 2014, 12:39    Post subject:  

fredx181 wrote:

EDIT: 14 minutes later:
New revision of Porteus-Wheezy2-deb-kernel.iso uploaded:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByBgCDlZZ8K5S1p2TVpfSDV1Njg/edit?usp=sharing

Uploaded here:
http://smokey01.com/saintless/Porteus-Wheezy/Porteus-Wheezy2-deb-kernel.iso

Toni

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fredx181

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PostPosted: Wed 05 Feb 2014, 14:06    Post subject:  

saintless wrote:
fredx181 wrote:

EDIT: 14 minutes later:
New revision of Porteus-Wheezy2-deb-kernel.iso uploaded:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByBgCDlZZ8K5S1p2TVpfSDV1Njg/edit?usp=sharing

Uploaded here:
http://smokey01.com/saintless/Porteus-Wheezy/Porteus-Wheezy2-deb-kernel.iso

Toni

Thanks, Toni Smile

I've made first concept of remastercow.
As you said it would be a matter of modifying RemasterDog.
Same concept by copying to drive of choice (working directory)
Tell me if you want something added or left out.
Wouldn't it be good to give some info (using yad) in the script on how to handle:
I mean, to inform the user about sequence (01. 02, 03) of modules otherwise it gets messed up with dpkg.

Also added new remasterdog script to the archive with small fix:
yad info text at the end now shows correct path for where module is created (it showed before: inside working dir)

remaster.tar.gz:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByBgCDlZZ8K5NjEzSDc0a3RKM1U/edit?usp=sharing

Another thing, about your latest:
System-tray is showing in upper-left corner (see picture), or sometimes something simular but empty shows there and systray is correct.

Also what I would like in porteus-boot version is in icewm-menu an entry for special porteus-savefile-create instead of live-rw create, now there's only the prompt for it at shutdown.
Of course tell me if you have reason to have it the way it is now or if you need help to change it.

Regards

Fred
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fredx181

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PostPosted: Wed 05 Feb 2014, 14:24    Post subject:  

Hi Sergey,
Quote:
2.
I forgot to say earlier, but now remembered:
relogin (Menu-->logout-->restartX) in 'Porteus-Wheezy' does not fulfill until the end - startx directive is not satisfied, it has to be entered from the keyboard.

Which version of 'Porteus-Wheezy' is that exactly?
Quote:
3.
I'm joined on one CD-ISO-image of the 'Debian-Wheezy' and 'Porteus-Wheezy' as well as the boot-manager took grub4dos.
This option certainly has a larger size, but you can switch not only between different methods of loading (debian-live & porteus), but also between different WM (JWM & XFCE). I like this opportunity.

That's very nice!
Do you mean by changing tty you can switch WM?
(don't tell Toni about this, he may get over-excited Laughing )


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PostPosted: Wed 05 Feb 2014, 14:47    Post subject:  

Hi, Fred Smile

Quote:
I've made first concept of remastercow.
As you said it would be a matter of modifying RemasterDog.
Same concept by copying to drive of choice (working directory)
Tell me if you want something added or left out.
Wouldn't it be good to give some info (using yad) in the script on how to handle:
I mean, to inform the user about sequence (01. 02, 03) of modules otherwise it gets messed up with dpkg.

Also added new remasterdog script to the archive with small fix:
yad info text at the end now shows correct path for where module is created (it showed before: inside working dir)

remaster.tar.gz:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByBgCDlZZ8K5NjEzSDc0a3RKM1U/edit?usp=sharing

Thank you very much! I will see how it works as it is and test what exactly we need and get back to you on this in a few days.

Quote:
Another thing, about your latest:
System-tray is showing in upper-left corner (see picture), or sometimes something simular but empty shows there and systray is correct.

Do you mean 01-v3 or the iso with Porteus and Debian boot, Fred?
What is your Processor and how much RAM do you have? This is exactly what made me put sleep 2 in /root/.icewm/startup After that I changed it in sleep 1. I still get this when I use 128Mb RAM computer but it is OK on 1,5 Ghz + 512RAM.
This is caused from the maximum xz compression I think. As Terry wrote it takes more CPU and RAM. If I use gzip compression even on 128Mb ram it works without this issue.
Quote:
Also what I would like in porteus-boot version is in icewm-menu an entry for special porteus-savefile-create instead of live-rw create, now there's only the prompt for it at shutdown.

I'm working on updated iso at the moment and I think I fixed all you wrote before. Can you point me the exact steps to include this porteus save file?
Quote:
don't tell Toni about this, he may get over-excited

No way Smile It is difficult enough for me to make debian and porteus boot iso works well.

Toni

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sklimkin

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PostPosted: Wed 05 Feb 2014, 14:56    Post subject:  

Hi Toni,
Quote:
Toni: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration

Thank you, because I forgot this magical command.
Quote:
Toni: You need a file for the program in /usr/share/menu

The system has successfully made ​​itself these files, but the menu does not show up.
Quote:
Toni: Then after loading the sfs module run update-menus

... but the menu does not show up.

Hi Fred,
Quote:
Fred: Which version of 'Porteus-Wheezy' is that exactly?

Light-Wheezy2-porteus.iso - 2014.01.13
Porteus-Wheezy2-deb-kernel.iso - 2014.02.02
linux-live-wheezy2.iso - 2014.02.05
Porteus-Wheezy2-deb-kernel.iso - 2014.02.05
Earlier versions did not look.
Quote:
Fred: Do you mean by changing tty you can switch WM?

No, no - only by reboot.
But that's also very nice!

Sergey.
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PostPosted: Wed 05 Feb 2014, 15:09    Post subject: Build scripts for small debian live images (similar to woof)  

Hi Tony and all,
I have posted about my Debian live build scripts in the "puppy linux projects" section. I know that you are all under full steam and pressing forward, but maybe you have a look. A short description:

The build system is a wrapper for the live build scripts which allows to organise the creation of the iso in different modules. I used also some code from the web to automaticly purge out docs, manuals and locales, and remove unnecessary files. includes were kept, so compiling is not broken.

I have an example iso with icewm, rox xfe, iceweasel and wicd + wireless tools and free firmware drivers.

Some differences which I am aware off:
it uses the original debian kernels only
it uses live-build tools version 3
boot folder is still included.
At the moment it has fewer apps compared to Light-Debian-Core

I saw that you published a new iso, I thought this might be a good opportunity to bring the build scripts in the arena.
As we discussed earlier there are some drawbacks, but in the long term I see advantages.

cheers and all the best
emil

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PostPosted: Wed 05 Feb 2014, 15:31    Post subject:  

Hi Toni
Quote:
Do you mean 01-v3 or the iso with Porteus and Debian boot, Fred?

I mean the iso with Porteus and Debian boot.

Quote:
What is your Processor and how much RAM do you have?

Don't know about processor, how do I find out? It's no-pae I know.
I have 1GB ram.

Quote:
This is caused from the maximum xz compression I think. As Terry wrote it takes more CPU and RAM. If I use gzip compression even on 128Mb ram it works without this issue.

---------------------------------------------------------------
Besides this issue with systray-on-upperleft:
We discussed earlier about using 512k or 1024k blocksize with xz compression.
I still prefer the 512k (without -Xbcj option) because I experienced:
-- lower RAM usage
-- faster boot (especially X loading faster)
At the cost of larger filesize of course, but not much.
With gz compression I got even better results concerning the above and also -very mysterious- got "slim" DM working, with XFCE though (but could NOT with xz compression).
----------------------------------------------------------------

Quote:
No way Smile It is difficult enough for me to make debian and porteus boot iso works well.

Sure!

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PostPosted: Wed 05 Feb 2014, 16:00    Post subject:  

Hi, Fred.

Code:
cat /proc/cpuinfo

gives CPU information.

fredx181 wrote:

Besides this issue with systray-on-upperleft:
We discussed earlier about using 512k or 1024k blocksize with xz compression.
I still prefer the 512k (without -Xbcj option) because I experienced:
-- lower RAM usage
-- faster boot (especially X loading faster)
At the cost of larger filesize of course, but not much.
With gz compression I got even better results concerning the above and also -very mysterious- got "slim" DM working, with XFCE though (but could NOT with xz compression).

I will do some tests the way you siggested. Smaller is better but we need to find the optimal size and performance base.
BTW changing sleep 1 to sleep 3 works to fix this on 128Mb ram computer. Just tested but this means slower Desktop load.

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PostPosted: Wed 05 Feb 2014, 16:07    Post subject:  

sklimkin wrote:
Quote:
Toni: You need a file for the program in /usr/share/menu

The system has successfully made itself these files, but the menu does not show up.
Quote:
Toni: Then after loading the sfs module run update-menus

... but the menu does not show up.

Hi, Sergey. Something is wrong with your SFS file if it does not work for you.
Use the gnumeric I made for test.
http://smokey01.com/saintless/Fredx181/030-gnumeric.squashfs
Load it with SFS-Load (user-modules_3)
The menu entry appear in
Programs --> Applications --> Science --> Mathematics --> Gnumeric-portable
Check before and after type update-menus.

Edit. Sorry, Sergey. I see I added also /etc/x11/icewm/programs file and it appears even without update-menus this way, but it will work only for icewm WM. For JWM or other WM it will not work. SFS fiiles I make will have menu entry only in Light-Wheezy.

Toni

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PostPosted: Wed 05 Feb 2014, 16:10    Post subject:  

Hi Toni
Quote:
cat /proc/cpuinfo

Thanks, it's 1.40GHz
Quote:
BTW changing sleep 1 to sleep 3 works to fix this on 128Mb ram computer. Just tested but this means slower Desktop load.

That would be a disadvantage, hope there's a better way, didn't notice this issue before btw.

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PostPosted: Wed 05 Feb 2014, 16:23    Post subject: Re: Build scripts for small debian live images (similar to woof)  

emil wrote:
Hi Tony and all,
I have posted about my Debian live build scripts in the "puppy linux projects" section. I know that you are all under full steam an pressing forward, but maybe you have a look. A short description:

The build system is a wrapper for the live build scripts which allows to organise the creation of the iso in different modules. I used also some code from the web to automaticly purge out docs, manuals and locales, and remove unnecessary files. includes were kept, so compiling is not broken.

I have an example iso with icewm, rox xfe, iceweasel and wicd + wireless tools and free firmware drivers.

Some differences which I am aware off:
it uses the original debian kernels only
it uses live-build tools version 3
boot folder is still included.
At the moment it has fewer apps compared to Light-Debian-Core

I saw that you published a new iso, I thought this might be a good opportunity to bring the build scripts in the arena.
As we discussed earlier there are some drawbacks, but in the long term I see advantages.

cheers and all the best
emil


Thank you, Emil Smile
I will explore this information proper when we finish the first Beta version.

Cheers, Toni
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PostPosted: Wed 05 Feb 2014, 16:47    Post subject:  

hi Toni
Just playing a little with the startup file worked for me, hope for you and others also:
Code:
desktop_drive_icons &
sleep 2
/usr/bin/rox -p /root/.config/rox.sourceforge.net/ROX-Filer/pinbd &
sleep 1
/opt/apps/wallpapers/wallpapers.d rox &
sleep 1
/opt/bin/start-up &
sleep 1
frisbee-tray &
sleep 1
volumeicon

Did a couple of reboots with savefile, still good.

Fred
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