DebianDog - Squeeze

[saintless]

Thanks for this report, Billtoo.
If you like to remaster with the changes run

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apt-get clean

and after this:

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mksquashfs /live/cow /live/image/live/02-my-changes.squashfs -comp xz

With this ammount of ram you don't need to use save file.
Do not care about the squash file size yet. It can become much smaller with proper cleaning. I will get to that in the next days.

[saintless]

For those who want to test Sunburnt's make-save-file script download it from here:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... aa1f742867
Then run:

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apt-get update

Download the attached here file gtkdialog_0.7.20-4_i386.deb.jpg and rename it to gtkdialog_0.7.20-4_i386.deb
Then right click on it and choose install/upgrade option.
Then fix the missing dependencies with:

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apt-get -f install

You will get this output to confirm:

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root@debian:~# apt-get -f install
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Correcting dependencies... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
  defoma fontconfig libatk1.0-0 libcairo2 libdatrie1 libdb4.7 libgdbm3
  libglade2-0 libglib2.0-0 libgtk2.0-0 libgtk2.0-common libjasper1
  libpango1.0-0 libpango1.0-common libpcre3 libthai-data libthai0
  libxcb-render-util0 libxcb-render0 libxcomposite1 libxi6 libxrandr2 perl
  perl-modules shared-mime-info
Suggested packages:
  defoma-doc psfontmgr x-ttcidfont-conf dfontmgr librsvg2-common gvfs
  libjasper-runtime ttf-japanese-gothic ttf-japanese-mincho ttf-thryomanes
  ttf-baekmuk ttf-arphic-gbsn00lp ttf-arphic-bsmi00lp ttf-arphic-gkai00mp
  ttf-arphic-bkai00mp perl-doc libterm-readline-gnu-perl
  libterm-readline-perl-perl make
Recommended packages:
  libfont-freetype-perl libatk1.0-data libglib2.0-data hicolor-icon-theme
  libgtk2.0-bin
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  defoma fontconfig libatk1.0-0 libcairo2 libdatrie1 libdb4.7 libgdbm3
  libglade2-0 libglib2.0-0 libgtk2.0-0 libgtk2.0-common libjasper1
  libpango1.0-0 libpango1.0-common libpcre3 libthai-data libthai0
 libxcb-render-util0 libxcb-render0 libxcomposite1 libxi6 libxrandr2 perl
  perl-modules shared-mime-info
0 upgraded, 25 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
1 not fully installed or removed.
Need to get 21.7 MB of archives.
After this operation, 70.6 MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]? n

You can start make save file with single click.
Be careful not to choose directory with your working live-rw (if you use one). The things can get ugly

Edit: Thank you, Sunburnt,
It seems it is your second script for Light-Debian. /script/mount-sfs for single click mounting iso and sfs files is bad edited from me part of yours filemnt puppy script.

[bark_bark_bark]

Hi Saintless; Found a nice icon for it.

Thanks, Sunburnt,
real nice icon for the script. Added to "have to include" folder.

Nooby, your machine is capable since you run pae version.
AFAIK any Pentium II or Athlon or newer is PAE capable. Some Pentium M are not and may be others. Light-Debian-Pae version kernel is build to support only PAE capable processors.

Cheers, Toni

P III can, but not P II. SMP won't work either on a PII. Although that doesn't mean you should use PAE on such old hardware.

[anikin]

My netbook runs on Intel n270 CPU, which is a single core processor. I always disable SMP through a boot parameter 'nosmp'. Below dmesg shows how the kernel reacts to it:

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[0.000000] Processors: 1
[0.000000] SMP: Allowing 1 CPUs, 0 hotplug CPUs 

[0.009407] SMP alternatives: switching to UP code
[0.014954] Freeing SMP alternatives: 16k freed
[0.024087] SMP mode deactivated.
[0.024169] SMP disabled

In this mode the machine runs cooler and the battery lasts longer, although ideally the kernel has to be compiled as uniprocessor, that is - SMP disabled at that level.

And here's my current boot line:

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boot=live nosmp config swapon quickreboot noprompt autologin elevator=noop video=i915:modeset=1 i915.i915_enable_rc6=1 i915.lvds_downclock=1 i915.i915_enable_fbc=1

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[sunburnt]

Saintless; A few items...

1) I assume by "Then fix the missing dependencies", they are GtkDialog & etc.?

2) I modded my make image file app. as Musher suggested.
...... But I don`t think we want to use it for Deb-Live ( don`t need Puppy extensions ).
...... It looks like Deb-Live uses file extension: "squashfs", but none for "ext2,3,4"

3) I haven`t looked at: /script/mount-sfs
...... I assume you`re saying that it`s the old filemnt script that you`ve modded.
...... filemnt is maintained by Barry who decided to use it for Puppy.

### Recently I thought about making a new one.

### OR... Just add mounting to the image file gui ( a gui button, & Rox mime click ).?
...... I didn`t check, but Xfe mime mount should be made to work also probably.
...... Also Xfe is pretty heavy weight, PcManFM is smaller, and SpaceFM I don`t like.
...... Size isn`t that important, and Xfe is very "feature rich", and there`s a calculator too...
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[session]

How do I boot it via grub4dos alongside with my other puppies?

Hi, Anikin,
extract live folder on top of a partition.

Here is my boot code (live folder is on /sda1):

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title Light-Debian-Core-Test
root=(hd0,0)
kernel /live/vmlinuz boot=live config persistent swapon quickreboot noprompt autologin
initrd /live/initrd.img
boot

To be clear, with grub4dos it's not possible to boot live-debian located within a full ext puppy installation, right? This is what I mean.

[saintless]

Hi, Sunburnt,

1) I assume by "Then fix the missing dependencies", they are GtkDialog & etc.?

Yes. Gtkdialog dependencies. What I don't like is the size the add. But for the version with more apps I might have to install them anyway. Time will show.

2) I modded my make image file app. as Musher suggested.
...... But I don`t think we want to use it for Deb-Live ( don`t need Puppy extensions ).
...... It looks like Deb-Live uses file extension: "squashfs", but none for "ext2,3,4"

Yes, debian uses squashs instead sfs. This is the same file type and I think renaming to sfs is Barry's idea. Just my thougths.
The name sfs does not exist in any other distro as far as I know and sfs file is 100% squashfs type file like debian one.
I have renamed sfs to squashfs in your script for the test only.
live-rw save file is the same as pup_save.2.fs,3.fs,4.fs so we can use your script choosing live-rw as a name (without ext). One more thing in puppy which is 100% the same as in debian live. Just the name of the save file is different.
Create puppy empty save file in puppy linux, rename it to live-rw and use it with debian live. Or the opposite. No problem at all.

3) I haven`t looked at: /script/mount-sfs
...... I assume you`re saying that it`s the old filemnt script that you`ve modded.
...... filemnt is maintained by Barry who decided to use it for Puppy.

It is part yours filemnt script taken from Turbopup Extreme. Maybe barry's name was also there. I'm not sure. Appolgies if I this is the situation and gratitude to him also.

### Recently I thought about making a new one.

Even this one works fine as far as I see.

### OR... Just add mounting to the image file gui ( a gui button, & Rox mime click ).?
...... I didn`t check, but Xfe mime mount should be made to work also probably.

I just renamed rox to xfe in your script and it worked. Xfe window opens with the content of the file.

..... Also Xfe is pretty heavy weight, PcManFM is smaller, and SpaceFM I don`t like.
...... Size isn`t that important, and Xfe is very "feature rich", and there`s a calculator too...
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The real problem is from this core debian pcman and rox will add much more dependencies to the image than xfe.
It was chosen as a smsllest file sized file manager and it has much more useful functions from the others.
You can install deb files from it with right mouse button click and unzip zip archives the same way for example without any special configuration.

Cheers, Toni

[saintless]

How do I boot it via grub4dos alongside with my other puppies?

Hi, Anikin,
extract live folder on top of a partition.

Here is my boot code (live folder is on /sda1):

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title Light-Debian-Core-Test
root=(hd0,0)
kernel /live/vmlinuz boot=live config persistent swapon quickreboot noprompt autologin
initrd /live/initrd.img
boot

To be clear, with grub4dos it's not possible to boot live-debian located within a full ext puppy installation, right? This is what I mean.

Never tested this but you can try this:
Copy live folder from the CD on the top of your system like this /live
if you have /vmlinuz and /initrd.img from your full installed system, rename /live/initrd.img and /live/vmlinuz to /live/initrd1.img and /live/vmlinuz1 and try this code:

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title Light-Debian-Core-Test
root=(hd0,0)
kernel /live/vmlinuz1 boot=live config persistent swapon quickreboot noprompt autologin
initrd /live/initrd1.img

Also try to copy vmlinuz1 and initrd1.img on top of the partition outside the live folder and try this:

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title Light-Debian-Core-Test
root=(hd0,0)
kernel /vmlinuz1 boot=live config persistent swapon quickreboot noprompt autologin
initrd /initrd1.img

Edit: As a last solution I think you can boot from live cd or usb and use live-rw save file on hard drive.

[saintless]

...could you do the same for Wheezy?

Testing Light-Debian-Wheezy.iso 147 Mb version with pae and non pae kernel included here:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=90660
It is only base to continue removing apps. Need quick tests to see if I didn't break something important so far. No use to continue without confirmation it works on your hardware and apt-get is working.

Cheers, Toni

[session]

What I mean is, grub4dos loads vmlinuz and initrd.img just fine, and then debian is unable to find a medium containing a live filesystem. I am aware of workarounds such as ISObooter, I was just wondering if I could test live-debian with the same simple grub4dos stanza I've been using to try out other linuxes.

The fact that Ubuntu boots just fine this way threw me for a loop... Ubuntu can do it (using iso-scan), so why can't Debian? (rhetorical question)

[smokey01]

Session, have you considered using Virtual Box?

[nooby]

...could you do the same for Wheezy?

Testing Light-Debian-Wheezy.iso 147 Mb version with pae and non pae kernel included here:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=90660
It is only base to continue removing apps. Need quick tests to see if I didn't break something important so far. No use to continue without confirmation it works on your hardware and apt-get is working.

Cheers, Toni

Toni much appreciated but don't count too much on me testing
Sure I will do my best but asI have already asked

and you or others may have answered already.

I have now three live directories in the /mnt/home directory.
This means that each live compete on which one gets booted
and there are other OS based on Debian that also use live so
they don't want others to use same partition something ...

So I temporarily "ditched" Pussy linux and renamed live to pussylive
so now if I install you new version I would have to rename your old one.

Is there some better solution than all debian wanting to be live directory.

What do you suggest? No hurry my illness makes me very tired
and lazy so will be slow to respond but today monday I do have
some time to dedicate to test so hope for some suggestions from all of you.

Can I name it wheezylive and do that in the menu.lst too?
would that load the right live directory? Sickgut longtime ago
most likely suggested something like that but my poor memory fails me.

No criticism I love that you are so at it and on the go!

[Billtoo]

What I mean is, grub4dos loads vmlinuz and initrd.img just fine, and then debian is unable to find a medium containing a live filesystem. I am aware of workarounds such as ISObooter, I was just wondering if I could test live-debian with the same simple grub4dos stanza I've been using to try out other linuxes.

The fact that Ubuntu boots just fine this way threw me for a loop... Ubuntu can do it (using iso-scan), so why can't Debian? (rhetorical question)

I used grub4dos on this SDHC card install:

# menu.lst produced by grub4dosconfig-v1.8.0
color blue/cyan yellow/blue white/black cyan/black
#splashimage=/splash.xpm
timeout 10
default 0

#Debian
title Light-Debian-Core-Test
root=(hd0,0)
kernel /live/vmlinuz boot=live config persistent swapon quickreboot noprompt autologin
initrd /live/initrd.img
boot

# Windows
# this entry searches Windows on the HDD and boot it up
title Windows\nBoot up Windows if installed
map (hd1) (hd0)
map (hd0) (hd1)
map --hook
errorcheck off
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /bootmgr
chainloader /bootmgr
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /ntldr
chainloader /ntldr
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /io.sys
chainloader /io.sys
errorcheck on

# Advanced Menu
title Advanced menu
configfile /menu-advanced.lst
commandline

[saintless]

Hi, Nooby
Take care of your health and test what takes your interest most.
I don't expect you to test this. I already have an answer there. Just the question came from you and I use it to quote.

Anyway this is the way to use debian live in different folder (/debian-wheezy for example). Move live folder in /debian-wheezy and use this boot code:

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title Wheezy 1
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
kernel /debian-wheezy/live/vmlinuz1 boot=live config persistence live-media-path=/debian-wheezy/live/ quickreboot noautologin noeject
initrd /debian-wheezy/live/initrd1.img
boot

swapon option is removed from this example. It creates me some issues with light-debian-wheezy when I change the path to it.. I will check out way.

Cheers, Toni

[sunburnt]

I think the first one was Squeeze and now Wheezy.

1) Toni; Can you out line the differences for us.? New kernel I assume, so maybe USB-3.?

2) So a dir. change is possible by putting /live in a sub dir.: /mnt/(Part)/(WhatEver)/live

# There`s a revised mk-save that has a checkbox for Puppy extensions.
Otherwise there`s none added, so it`s what the user types into the /path/file textbox.

I`m thinking that finding another GUI app other than GtkDialog would be very nice...
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[saintless]

I think the first one was Squeeze and now Wheezy.

1) Toni; Can you out line the differences for us.? New kernel I assume, so maybe USB-3.?

2) So a dir. change is possible by putting /live in a sub dir.: /mnt/(Part)/(WhatEver)/live

# There`s a revised mk-save that has a checkbox for Puppy extensions.
Otherwise there`s none added, so it`s what the user types into the /path/file textbox.

I`m thinking that finding another GUI app other than GtkDialog would be very nice...
.

Hi, Sunburnt,
The kernel is almost the same. Original Squeeze uses 2.6.32-5-686 and 2.6.32-5-486 but I upgraded them to 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae and 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-486.
Wheezy uses as default 3.2.0-4-686-pae and 3.2.0-4-486. They supposed to be stable and long term supported from what I read.
So there is almost no difference between Light-Debian-Squeeze and light-Debian-Wheezy about hardware support.
The big difference is in the repositories. Wheezy uses and will continue to use the last versions of the programs.
Squeeze uses older versions and installing newer on it can cause problems with dpkg database.

Moving /live inside other folder with different name is what I found as an option to change the top folder name and it works with Grub Legacy. I'm not sure if there is a way to simply rename live folder.

Cheers, Toni

[session]

Session, have you considered using Virtual Box?

No, because my primary computers lack the horsepower to adequately test the guest system's snappiness.

Thanks everyone; testing from a usb drive will have to do.

[nooby]

Thanks Toni and thanks sunburnt.
I have also heard or read that the big diff is the updated files
in the repo Firefox a later version and so on.

then debian is unable to find a medium containing a live filesystem.

I should not ry to help I know too little but often
when I tell those who knows they tell me to make the
partition defragged. Which is not easy in linux.
Propietary defrag programs only

[sunburnt]

Very good Toni; I thank you for your answers and your efforts with all of this.

# This is a great deal of effort... Tell us of any help you might need.

I just dnlded Wheezy and I`ll let you know.

I realized what you ment about PcManFM, the Python deps. I forgot about them...
Xfe only has the Fox lib. at 6 MB size. And it does lots as we say.
I`m surprised Xfe ran filemnt by clicking an image file. Rox has it`s own mime, Xfe too I think.
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[saintless]

I`m surprised Xfe ran filemnt by clicking an image file. Rox has it`s own mime, Xfe too I think.

It really wasn't at first, but I use only small part from filemnt and it does the job in Light-Debian

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#!/bin/bash
set -x

# mount-sfs.sh
#This script is small edited part from original script "ROX app.: Click image files to mount & unmount."   Created for Puppy linux  by: Terry Becker	aka: SunBurnt

 imgFile="$1"
 if [ -z "$imgFile" ] ;then exit 1 ;fi
 if [ "`dirname $imgFile`" = '\.' ] ;then
  imgFile="`pwd``echo $imgFile |sed 's/^\.//'`"
 fi
 MntPt='/media/'`echo "$imgFile" |sed "s#^\.##g" |sed "s#/#+#g"`
   
 Ext=`echo "$imgFile" |sed 's/^.*\.//'`	# get file type from extention
  if [ "$Ext" = '2fs' ] ;then
   Type='ext2'
  elif [ "$Ext" = '3fs' ] ;then
   Type='ext3'
  elif [ "$Ext" = '4fs' ] ;then
   Type='ext4'
  elif [ "$Ext" = 'sfs' ] ;then
   Type='squashfs'
  elif [ "$Ext" = 'squashfs' ] ;then
   Type='squashfs'
   elif [ "$Ext" = 'iso' ] ;then
   Type='iso9660'
  fi

  mkdir -p $MntPt
  mount -t $Type -o loop $imgFile $MntPt
  xfe -d $MntPt