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James C


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PostPosted: Thu 05 Dec 2013, 03:27    Post_subject:  

FWIW, no trouble downloading from Mydrive either.
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James C


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PostPosted: Thu 05 Dec 2013, 03:37    Post_subject:  

Screenshot....with Iceweasel,Rox and taken with MtPaint.
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saintless


Joined: 11 Jun 2011
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PostPosted: Thu 05 Dec 2013, 03:45    Post_subject:  

We have permanent home for Light-Debian-Core-Live:
http://www.smokey01.com/saintless/
Thank you, Smokey Smile
First post updated with download link.

Thank you for testing, guys. I have my self a few PC but they are all old pII, pIII. The kernel should be working well with much newer hardware that I don't have.

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saintless


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PostPosted: Thu 05 Dec 2013, 04:11    Post_subject:  

stu91 wrote:
So light weight in size / resources full compatibility with debain repo - am i missing something, why isn't Puppy heading in this direction?

I guess it is tradition to keep the original puppy structure. But also the tradition is what makes puppy and the community strong Smile

Just for information - without proper cleaning and use of proper compression commands after installing 20-30 apps the size can grow up fast to unacceptable (at least for me) sizes.
For the moment I work on the core with basic applications only. I will add some more applications but I like to solve what I can with scripts first. I don't intend to make the core bigger than 100 Mb.
I think there is no need to add too much when apt-get can give a choice for every user, but suggestions are welcome.

Cheers, Toni

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emil

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PostPosted: Thu 05 Dec 2013, 08:11    Post_subject:  

Is there a way to have debian packages auto trimmed at installation with apt(zero size files added)?
If there would be a dedicated server one could also set up a trimmed repo.
then it would be a baby debian (or "babian"?).
I am very curious about the "making of" report you mentioned, looking forward to read it!
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saintless


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PostPosted: Thu 05 Dec 2013, 08:43    Post_subject:  

emil wrote:
Is there a way to have debian packages auto trimmed at installation with apt(zero size files added)?
If there would be a dedicated server one could also set up a trimmed repo.
then it would be a baby debian (or "babian"?).
I am very curious about the "making of" report you mentioned, looking forward to read it!
regards
emil

Hi, Emil,

I'm sure it is possible. Not for me but for someone with skills like yours or JBV and others. I also think this extra repo work not worth the efforts. The packages will be installed in uncompresed format (in save file or in ram). Like in FoxyRoxy it will be enough to run zerosize script after installing them inside the save file or before make compressed snapshot. It is a matter of single click to run the script.
I understand there will be interst about the creation of this iso. I will try to make it good enough with pictures and proper explanaition as a post here or in different topic may be.
I wander what can be done in this direction with wheezy. Sickgut was working on this lately. Hope soon we will have him back.

Cheers, Toni
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anikin

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PostPosted: Thu 05 Dec 2013, 08:49    Post_subject:  

Fantastic!
Inspired by James C, I installed the same stuff as he did: iceweasel, rox-filer, mtpaint + geany. All is working well on my atom n270 eeepc. Runs cool, everything is fast and snappy. This is just something that makes you feel good.

Thank you, saintless!

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sklimkin

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PostPosted: Thu 05 Dec 2013, 12:21    Post_subject:  

saintless wrote:

I took debian live squeeze standard live cd and extracted the content of filesystem.squashfs in live-rw save file
... ... ...
Cheers, Toni

To the same end, we came from different sides.
I have added modules to the base system (over debootstrap + chroot).
You are removed from the finished OS modules.
But at the same time I turned the ISO larger than 200 MB
and you have turned the ISO smaller than 70 MB.
I draw this conclusion: we must try your method.
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saintless


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PostPosted: Thu 05 Dec 2013, 13:11    Post_subject:  

anikin wrote:
edit: Had a quick look inside initrd and removed some unneeded modules - see the attached image for size change.

Thank you, Anikin Smile
Do you mind uploading your initrd.img somewhere. I'm not very familiar with initrd editing yet and I doubt I can do the job well.
This means smaller image - same functionality. Nothing better can happen Smile
Cheers, Toni

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saintless


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PostPosted: Thu 05 Dec 2013, 13:21    Post_subject:  

sklimkin wrote:
I draw this conclusion: we must try your method.

I prefer to open different topic about slimming debian live. This way I can add all I remember on one place. This will be my first job in the next day or two and I'll post a link here. Maybe other people will give better ideas there.
Cheers, Toni

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anikin

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PostPosted: Thu 05 Dec 2013, 14:03    Post_subject:  

Hi saintless,
I don't think it would be of much use, unless your machine is identical to mine. I just remove stuff that is not needed on my eeepc. For example, flash readers on netbooks are usb devices, as such mmc is not needed. My ethernet card is atheros - no need for anything other than that ... and so on - locales, exotic console fonts, keyboard layouts, joysticks, etc., - both in initrd and the main sqashfs - I'll get to that later on.
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saintless


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PostPosted: Thu 05 Dec 2013, 14:31    Post_subject:  

anikin wrote:
... both in initrd and the main sqashfs - I'll get to that later on.

I understand, Anikin.
Then I prefer not to edit initrd.img. It is better to keep it as it is.
About the need of debian live to have initrd.img and vmlinuz on two places (inside and outside the squash file), I have this on my mind. It does matter when the system is small. Still searching information about this.
Cheers, Toni

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tony

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Thu 05 Dec 2013, 14:39    Post_subject:  

Hi,

thanks for all the hard work in bringing this into puppy.

Can you please inform us puppians how we set up a save file to make our apt-get additions permanent.

Regards Tony.
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sunburnt


Joined: 08 Jun 2005
Posts: 5039
Location: Arizona, U.S.A.

PostPosted: Thu 05 Dec 2013, 15:13    Post_subject:  

Yeah, it`s hard to tell the weak link in the chain.
My service provider COX, MyDrive... Not worth the trouble to find out.
COX is the unique link in my chain, sooo...

I`m trying again.
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saintless


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PostPosted: Thu 05 Dec 2013, 15:49    Post_subject:  

tony wrote:
Can you please inform us puppians how we set up a save file to make our apt-get additions permanent.

Sorry. I had to start with this information but I didn't think there will be much interest in the first few days. I will update the first post tomorrow.
Short description:
Download and extract this empty save file made from Sickgut on top of any ext or vfat partition.
http://smokey01.com/saintless/1gb-example-save-file.zip
Boot the CD in copy to RAM or live mode. It will find the save file from boot.

0r run this from terminal:
Code:
dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/sda1/live-rw bs=1M count=1000
mkfs.ext2 /mnt/sda1/live-rw

it will create 1000 Mb save file on top of sda1 (if you run it from puppy linux). You can change the size from count=1000

If you like to make frugal install copy the live folder from the iso on top of any partition and add this in grub menu list (the example is for sda1):
Code:
title Light-Debian-Core
 root (hd0,0)
 kernel /live/vmlinuz boot=live config persistent swapon quickreboot noprompt autologin
 initrd /live/initrd.img
 boot

If you remove persistent no save file will be used.
I will add script to do this in the next version.

Cheers, Toni

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