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Slacko 5.7 final - 8 March 2014
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Deacon


Joined: 19 Mar 2013
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PostPosted: Wed 04 Dec 2013, 05:00    Post subject: Update  

After a few short moments of dreading my other OS I realized that I hadn't created a save file, which I guess causes the Live OS to glom off the hard drive's file.

After creating it, the install script appears to be running fine. I am waiting for the rc.script and if it works, then I guess I will edit this post with an update!

UPDATE: Success

Added lines for GRUB and....



Programs are there, video and audio working on HP Mini 110-1046NR with 2GB RAM and 320G Hard Drive. Touchpad settings saved. Wireless settings not so. Took a second to connect as usual. Firefox upgraded (at least it said it did, I don't know if Firefox was upgraded in the upgrade?) All programs there and ok. Background image saved, JWM theme not but I was sick of it anyway and it let me know the change went through.

Computer running a little hotter but it could just be tired (it gets tired)-- will check again tomorrow.

Looks good to me!
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koulaxizis


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PostPosted: Wed 04 Dec 2013, 07:31    Post subject:  

Frugal install on netbook Acer aspire one

First boot + settings: OK!
Add Greek keyboard: OK!
Connect through PGPRS: OK!
Reboot + savefile: OK!
Update package manager: OK!
Install flash player: OK!
Get Java from the SFS manager: OK!

I loved the PGPRS tray icon and the updated install window! GetFlash was nice too! Smile

Why isn't the latest Firefox pre-installed?

That's all for now! Looks great mate, thank you for your hard work!! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed 04 Dec 2013, 07:54    Post subject:  

Billtoo wrote:
SFR wrote:


Anyways, it's (Acer AO 722) rather poor designed*, low-end netbook;



I'm happy with my AAO 721-3801, it's got a 250gb hard drive, 3 usb
ports, hdmi port, etc.
It boots from SDHC and usb.
The webcam is crappy but I suppose I could use a better usb webcam if
I wanted to.
Nice sized screen at 11.6".
I've had mine for 2 years or more and I've run quite a few different
versions of linux on it, 32 and 64 bit, it has Salix 14.0.1 Ratpoison
on the hard drive now but I've been using the newer pups on it lately
from SDHC.
Anyway, I'm having fun with this netbook Smile

Well, there are also things I like about 722: it's cheap, light, has nice visual design, quite comfortable keyboard, 1366x768 screen res., quiet fan and easy access to it (e.g. in my Toshiba I would have to disassemble almost everything to get to it!).
Therefore there are days I'm happy with it too. Wink
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If anyone suffers due to inability to change the screen brightness with Catalyst >= 13.4, here's the workaround:
1. Exit to the console
2. aticonfig --set-pcs-u32=MCIL,PP_PhmUseDummyBackEnd,1
3. Reboot
(to revert the changes, replace 1 with 0 at the end of the line)

This solution is deeply buried on some forum and I can't find it anymore, however there were reports that it might decrease gfx performance - hard to say, I haven't noticed any spectacular difference.

Eventually, there's yet another, "manual" workaround, that also works for me:
http://forums.amd.com/game/messageview.cfm?catid=488&threadid=167406&enterthread=y
Simplified:
Code:
value=4
for i in {0..100}; do echo $value > /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness; done

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@Mick: yep, the 'rtl8192 incorrect signal strenght' bug has been fixed in 3.10.22.

Greetings!

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Ray MK


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PostPosted: Wed 04 Dec 2013, 08:32    Post subject:  

# uname -a
Linux e732 3.10.19 #1 SMP Wed Nov 13 16:52:29 EST 2013 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU M 370 @ 2.40GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
# free
total used free shared buffers
Mem: 1804484 532512 1271972 0 57900
-/+ buffers: 474612 1329872
Swap: 0 0 0
# uptime
12:31:39 up 1 day, 1:46, load average: 0.42, 0.39, 0.29
#

All the basics seem to work as expected OOTB. Very nice all round. Looking good.

One very small minor niggle for laptop users - touchpad tapping not setup to work as standard.

Otherwise - all extremely good.

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PostPosted: Wed 04 Dec 2013, 08:41    Post subject:  

Whenever i uninstall a builtin application, after each reboot (and after a SFS load), the removed app keeps appearing again! I had the same issue on Slacko 5.6. Any idea why?
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Volhout

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PostPosted: Wed 04 Dec 2013, 10:48    Post subject: remove build in  

Christos,

You may need to remaster after removing packages.
The packages are not physically removed from the main SFS until you do so.

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koulaxizis


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PostPosted: Wed 04 Dec 2013, 10:55    Post subject: Re: remove build in  

Volhout wrote:
Christos,

You may need to remaster after removing packages.
The packages are not physically removed from the main SFS until you do so.

Volhout



Hello Volhout! Smile

Yes, i know that the packages will be removed after the remaster...

But when i uninstall a builtin app, even if i manually remove the folder and the shortcut, it keeps coming back!! Confused

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PostPosted: Wed 04 Dec 2013, 11:21    Post subject:  

I "think", I reported a problem in the ability of pBurn to "see" a previously written DVD-RW as a rewritable disc over the last week. This problem seemingly was confined to -RW because I had NOT observed it on other +RW media. When asking pBurn to display "Disc info", it constantly has shown the disc as readonly ... ROM media and never shown as RW media. This problem was replicated over various 64bit ans 32bit PUPs.

Well, I'm happy to report that today, I did the following on Slacko 5.6.0 distro:
  • downloaded and installed the pBurn latest PET; namely 4.3.3
  • and successful blanked and reburned the DVD-RW on this distro.
The system now behaves with the -RW media just as I have had success with other +RW media and pBurn in the past.
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PostPosted: Wed 04 Dec 2013, 15:13    Post subject:  

01 micko,

I think I know why you are using the Firefox ESR version of the browser, but I wonder if this is the best way to go.

The latest version of the Firefox ESR is 24.1.1

The Updates Manager does not list this, version 24.1.1, as an update option.

Letting the Firefox internal update, be able to do updates, would seem to be a better option, then only doing it from Updates Manager.

For security reason if nothing else.
Security Advisories for Firefox ESR
http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/firefoxESR.html

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PostPosted: Wed 04 Dec 2013, 16:33    Post subject:  

FWIW, they do the same security updates on ESR as the regular versions....

http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/firefoxESR.html

Quote:
Fixed in Firefox ESR 17.0.11

MFSA 2013-103 Miscellaneous Network Security Services (NSS) vulnerabilities


Quote:
Fixed in Firefox ESR 24.1.1

MFSA 2013-103 Miscellaneous Network Security Services (NSS) vulnerabilities


http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/firefox.html

Quote:
Fixed in Firefox 25.0.1

MFSA 2013-103 Miscellaneous Network Security Services (NSS) vulnerabilities
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don570


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PostPosted: Wed 04 Dec 2013, 20:56    Post subject:  

I made a gimp 2.8.10 package on precise puppy that
also works on Slacko. It can open mypaint ORA files if python
is installed.

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=741479#741479

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PostPosted: Thu 05 Dec 2013, 03:04    Post subject:  

I decided to start using the personal version of Firefox and not the ESR version.

Installed a Firefox 24 pet package from Lucid Puppy repository.
Seems to have changed over with no problem.
This personal Firefox 24 auto updated to firefox 25.0.1
Firefox internal update works in it.

Why do this.
Quote:

http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/
Firefox ESR

Who is it not for?

Individual users who always want the latest features, performance enhancements and technologies in their browser without waiting for them to become available in ESR several development cycles later.

For anyone that does not know.
The Firefox ESR version, that is pre-installed in Slacko, can only be updated with the "Updates Manager".
The Firefox ESR internal update will not work.

As I understand, "Updates Manager" gets the updates from Slackware repository.

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PostPosted: Thu 05 Dec 2013, 05:51    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
I decided to start using the personal version of Firefox and not the ESR version.

Installed a Firefox 24 pet package from Lucid Puppy repository.
Seems to have changed over with no problem.
This personal Firefox 24 auto updated to firefox 25.0.1
Firefox internal update works in it.


Due to the problem reported above,

Quote:
Whenever i uninstall a builtin application, after each reboot (and after a SFS load), the removed app keeps appearing again! I had the same issue on Slacko 5.6.


Quote:
even if i manually remove the folder and the shortcut, it keeps coming back


i replaced everything in usr/lib/firefox-17.0.11 with the files of Firefox 25.0.1 and everything works ok without double folders or desktop entries. Smile

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PostPosted: Thu 05 Dec 2013, 14:41    Post subject:  

Update on methods to boot Slacko and other Puppies, with results that surprised me.

First, my problem booting usb3 was something to do with replacing the stock traditional hard drive with an ssd.

Boot times

Internal ssd - 28 seconds
Internal hard drive - 30 seconds
External usb3 hard drive - 30 seconds
usb 3 flash drive - 36 seconds
usb 2 flash drive - 46 seconds
cd - forever, a couple of minutes (Note)

The surprise is that the speed of the boot medium did not make as much difference as I thought it would. Almost all of the time difference is due to the time it takes to copy the slacko 5.6.3 sfs to ram.

Conclusions:

1. All of the boot times except cd are basically acceptable. That is good news I believe--as 01micko has indicated, usb boot is much safer than messing with windows 8 hard drives anymore (resizing, creating linux partition, etc.).

2. All usb3 flash drives are not equal, some are no faster than usb 2! A good usb3 flash drive should boot as fast as an internal hard drive! I bought a cheapie usb3 flash drive, Lexar, or my boot time would have been faster. I have since discovered Kingston HyperX usb3 flash drive is fast but expensive.

3. Current Puppy will never boot as fast as Windows or Ubuntu. Windows 7 - 15 seconds from ssd, Ubuntu 12.10 *8* seconds from ssd! Puppy uses script files to boot which is why the different boot mediums have similar times except for copying the sfs to ram. The boot time is mainly determined by the time it takes the boot scripts to execute. But, all in all, 30 seconds from a good usb3 seems like a good enough result to me, perfectly usable. Remember, the flash drive must be usb3 and the computer must be capable of usb3 boot--however, even the usb2 boot is usable, as everyone already knew--usb3 will save and exit faster too though.

Note: Yes, cd will boot faster after creating a save file and copying the sfs to the hard drive--but it still takes time for the bios to determine that the cd is bootable--so the total time is still a minute or so.

There is nothing revolutionary here, but I guess it is good to check every once in a while. Is boot speed important--well, I regard it as a usability factor, the same as Puppy's quickness of response once running.
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PostPosted: Thu 05 Dec 2013, 14:55    Post subject:  

Quote:
Current Puppy will never boot as fast as Windows or Ubuntu. Windows 7 - 15 seconds from ssd, Ubuntu 12.10 *8* seconds from ssd!

They do this by making reaching the desktop top priority.
A lot of stuff is still being booted behind the eye candy of the desktop.
With processors being able to do multiple operations at one time, they have boot functions, working in the background, you do not see. You see a nice desktop and think boot is over.

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